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|Aug-17-11|| ||swissfed: Kramnik on Mikhail Botvinnik
<You could say that the establishment of Soviet and Russian chess began with him. He was the first person to set up a whole system of preparation and our first World Champion, if you don¡¦t count Alekhine, who nevertheless emigrated. Botvinnik was behind the long run of success for Soviet chess. In 1987 I got into his school and spent time with him over the next 2 or 3 years. I got a great deal from that in all regards. I was 12 years old, and at such an age it¡¦s very important to spend time with a legend. He gave me a lot of useful professional advice, but it was also simply very pleasant to hear about his encounters with chess ¡§dinosaurs¡¨, who seemed like people from the Stone Age. He made a very big impression on me. Although he left us quite soon I¡¦ll always consider him one of my first real teachers.>
|Aug-17-11|| ||kramputz: Botvinnk admired Stalin, probably for political reasons. He saved the freedom of Keres for his own selfishness.|
|Aug-17-11|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <Troller: <100 year centenary> for this legend ***>|
I hate to cavil frivolously and inconsequentially, but the phrase "100 year centenary" is pleonastically redundant.
|Aug-17-11|| ||polarmis: Just to add that <swissfed>'s Kramnik quote on Botvinnik can be found here: http://www.whychess.org/en/node/1402|
|Aug-17-11|| ||perfidious: <Karpova> Across the years, I've gotten the impression that Botvinnik did not especially care for Spassky, whose approach to preparation was, of course, rather different than that of Mikhail Moiseevich.|
<Peligroso Patzer: <Troller: <100 year centenary> for this legend ***>
I hate to cavil frivolously and inconsequentially, but the phrase "100 year centenary" is pleonastically redundant.>
How 'bout another I've heard till I'm weary unto death of it?
Yeah, just love them-those automatic teller machine machines, don't you know.
|Aug-17-11|| ||ughaibu: Are ATM machines the ones that require PIN numbers?|
|Aug-17-11|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: <ughaibu>--Yes, but be careful. I've heard you can catch the HIV virus from those things.|
|Aug-17-11|| ||JoergWalter: <perfidious, ughaibu, Gregor> ok guys by now I understand the "Pleonasmus".
Kindly, help me with <shach matov's> line up of words: <one of the all-time greatest>. What's the technical term for this? (bs is not a techninal term I guess)|
|Aug-17-11|| ||ughaibu: I guess ECT therapy would only be effective prophalactically.|
|Aug-19-11|| ||Albertan: 100th birth Anniversary of Mikhail Botvinnik
|Aug-19-11|| ||swissfed: I singled out for me a group of chess players from whom I wanted to borrow the best qualities: the psychological stability from Karpov, the meticulous positional technique from Petrosian,
<the logic from Botvinnik,>
the intuition from Alekhine, the ability of taking a risk from Tal. � Garry Kasparov|
|Aug-20-11|| ||DrMAL: "After I emigrated from the Soviet Union in 1977, a judgmental letter against me was signed by 31 Soviet grandmasters, and Botvinnik was the only one who did not do that." -Viktor Korchnoi|
|Aug-20-11|| ||polarmis: Not sure if Korchnoi said that to anyone (seems unlikely) but he's recorded on video a few days ago saying only 4 grandmasters didn't sign - Gulko, Spassky, Bronstein and Botvinnik. (plus e.g. Karpov didn't sign that particular letter)|
|Aug-20-11|| ||perfidious: <polarmis: Not sure if Korchnoi said that to anyone (seems unlikely) but he's recorded on video a few days ago saying only 4 grandmasters didn't sign - Gulko, Spassky, Bronstein and Botvinnik. (plus e.g. Karpov didn't sign that particular letter)....>|
This was mentioned in an interview given by Korchnoi published in Chess Life and Review, circa 1977.
While I don't know where Gulko stood in the eyes of Soviet chess bureaucrats at the time, Spassky was, as usual, at odds with the machine and already living abroad, Bronstein (another renegade) was not then being allowed to play outside Soviet bloc countries and what were the authorities going to do to Botvinnik?
I found Fischer's comments on Botvinnik, as attributed to him by Portisch in the above page, most impressive; if he could acknowledge that his own approach, for all his greatness, was not perfect, we ordinary mortals may yet learn a thing or three!
|Aug-21-11|| ||kingfu: Doctor Mal,
Thank you for the insight.
Of course, Botvinnik "admired" Stalin. If you did NOT then say hello to the Gulag or the after life.
Botvinnik ran the Moscow Central Chess Club.
Botvinnik played the French Defense.
Before I die , I will visit The Moscow Central Chess Club.
And I will bow before the portrait of
|Aug-22-11|| ||polarmis: Botvinnik didn't only play blitz "once in a train in 1929" :)|
|Aug-22-11|| ||DrMAL: <polarmis: Not sure> Then ask for a reference. http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/k...|
The other "troller" earned an IGNORE.
|Aug-22-11|| ||polarmis: Yep, Russian source here, though given Korchnoi definitely did say something more accurate at about the same time I'd be slightly doubtful about it: http://sport.ria.ru/other_sport/201...|
|Aug-22-11|| ||DrMAL: The Russian source substantiates mine. Yay Botvinnik!|
|Aug-22-11|| ||polarmis: Well it would, given that's the source for the ChessVibes report :)|
|Aug-22-11|| ||DrMAL: Shhh don't tell anybody! LOL|
|Aug-23-11|| ||Albertan: Marking the centenary of a cerebral champ
By David R. Sands,The Washington Times
|Aug-24-11|| ||kingfu: Thanks Al,
Great stuff as usual
|Aug-25-11|| ||Albertan: Your welcome Kingfu.I'm glad you enjoyed the article.|
|Sep-06-11|| ||kingfu: I am going to be bi.
It is not what you are thinking.
I will go to Alberta in the summer times.
I will go to Arizona in the winters.
Let's play golf! Let's play Chess. I am not very good at either.
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