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Mar-07-12
 | | keypusher: <Dr. Yes: The chess history revisionists (apparently) had as their goal back in the 1980s, to promote Garri Kasparov as the greatest ever player. For a hundred years Wilhelm Steinitz had been recognized as the longest reigning Champion ever, from 1866 to 1894. His reign is even immortalized in a song by ABBA, (1866-1894) in the play by Andrew Lloyd Webber called 'Chess.'
With chessmytricks, the revionists could manipulate ratings and rankings, but that wouldn't help there cause much if both Lasker and Steinitz had longer reigns than Garri-poo.> You're a relatively clever troll, but you always go too far. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Dr. Yes: As for players who consistently outperformed Nimzowitsch from 1910 to 1925, that's really too easy. Bernstein outperformed him in their native Russia. Others are Capablanca, Alekhine, Spielmann, Rubinstein, Schlecter, Lasker, Tarrasch, Bogoljubow, Vidmar, Maroczy, Grunfeld, Tartakower and Reti. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Dr. Yes: I notice that if someone disagrees with those who control the delete button, he is labelled a 'troll.' |
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Mar-07-12
 | | keypusher: <Dr. Yes: I notice that if someone disagrees with those who control the delete button, he is labelled a 'troll.'> No. If you say Alekhine was murdered by British intelligence, or that a 1980s Kasparov cabal somehow rewrote history to shorten Steinitz's reign, you get labeled a troll. If I controlled the delete button, you'd be gone from this site. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Dr. Yes: Given that a hundred years of history was re-written gets me labelled a 'troll?' You don't need a delete button, Keypusher. If the people here aren't interested in an open discussion, then it's been fun (sometimes), but I'm gone. |
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Mar-07-12
 | | keypusher: <You don't need a delete button, Keypusher. If the people here aren't interested in an open discussion, then it's been fun (sometimes), but I'm gone.> Terrific, always happy when I make a positive contribution to cg.com. Bye! |
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| Mar-07-12 | | I play the Fred: <Dr Yes>, that Sofia Polgar TPR was figured based on FIDE ratings, years before <chessmetrics> existed. As <Lambda> showed, <chessmetrics> rated Polgar's performance lower than ELO did. I guess Sofia's 2900 TPR was <pimped and pumped> by ELOmytricks? |
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| Mar-07-12 | | King Death: < keypusher: <Dr. Yes: I notice that if someone disagrees with those who control the delete button, he is labelled a 'troll.'>
No. If you say Alekhine was murdered by British intelligence, or that a 1980s Kasparov cabal somehow rewrote history to shorten Steinitz's reign, you get labeled a troll....> These obviously both happened, back in 1966 I met the leader of the death squad from MI6 that did Alekhine at some random tournament in California. <...If I controlled the delete button, you'd be gone from this site.> Seconded. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Lambda: So he's criticising Chessmetrics and insisting on using FIDE ratings, based on attributing a problem with FIDE ratings to Chessmetrics. I think I agree with the 'troll' evaluation. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | RookFile: <Dr. Yes: Rookfile thinks it's real chess to memorize moves so that the game is near decided before you have to think for yourself. > Apparently, it's ok to study the endgame and the middlegame, but not the opening with you. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | Agent Bouncy: Hey Dr Yes, what match was this that Steinitz lost to Anderssen in 1862?? |
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Mar-07-12
 | | brankat: Dr.Yes is gone? - To re-write the re-written chess History, - to prove that Steinitz reigned longer than Dr.Lasker, - that Nimzowitch was outperformed by all of his contemporaries, - that Reshevsky should have been the Champion in 1935, - to locate Alekhine's murderers, - to create a new ratings system,
- to ascertain that last 150 years of chess History has been a History of conspiracy. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | King Death: < RookFile: <Dr. Yes: Rookfile thinks it's real chess to memorize moves so that the game is near decided before you have to think for yourself. >
Apparently, it's ok to study the endgame and the middlegame, but not the opening with you.> Up to here this may be the best post in this whole thing. |
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Mar-07-12
 | | TheFocus: <Dr. Yes> <Steinitz barely got by Anderssen (+8 -6 =0) in 1866. Steinitz had lost a match in 1862 to a younger Anderssen who had been clobbered by Morphy (+2 -7 =3).> Steinitz did not play a match with Anderssen in 1862. He did lose to him one gaame in London 1862. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | King Death: < Agent Bouncy: Hey Dr Yes, what match was this that Steinitz lost to Anderssen in 1862??> Wrong again, obviously you're another plotter against the schemes of <Dr. Yes>. It just didn't happen. |
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| Mar-07-12 | | King Death: <brankat: Dr.Yes is gone?
- To re-write the re-written chess History,
- to prove that Steinitz reigned longer than Dr.Lasker,> Since the reign of Steinitz started in 1843 I don't know why we're even wasting time on this! <- that Nimzowitch was outperformed by all of his contemporaries,> This fish was a closet 1200 player that had some writing skills and turned them into a huge ego trip and woulda made millions today doing something else. <- that Reshevsky should have been the Champion in 1935,> MI6 paid him off to not try for a match with Euwe in 1936 so that they could set up Alekhine down the road. <- to locate Alekhine's murderers,> MI6 was way ahead of them, this had no chance from the beginning. <- to create a new ratings system,> Reshevsky will be number 1 without a doubt.
<- to ascertain that last 150 years of chess History has been a History of conspiracy.> His findings on this will rival any John Grisham novel for Byzantine complexity even if they don't sell quite as well. |
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| Mar-08-12 | | Dr. Yes: Funny how you people still have hissyfits even if I don't say anything. Now that you've added no more facts to your arguments to say that chessmetrics is so right about saying how chess players today are so much better than their predecessors, maybe I'm beginning to understand. Humans must be getting smarter. Scientists today must be smarter than their predecessors too. Einstein today would be an idiot compared to Stephen Hawking, or Lasker is such a dolt compared to Kasparov. Someone also doesn't like to entertain the possiblity that British Intelligence (more likely British stupidity) had anything to do with Alekhine's death, even though they do admit it is British and Canadian GMs who promote the idea that Soviet Jews were responsible for his murder. We also know that the British are the ones who branded Alekhine as anti-semitic at the end of WWII, and denied him entry to the annual Hastings tournament based on this accusation. The timing coincides with the late 1940s, a time when the British were faced with loss of the overseas empire, despite winning the war. The British were successful with quelling rebellion in the Far East by re-arming Japanese soldiers, to further pillage people who were tired of being pillaged in Malaysia. The French who also re-armed Japanese soldiers were not at all successful in Indo-China. The British crackdown on the Indian sub-continent also did not deter Ghandi and his millions of followers who led a successful non-violent revolt. The situation in the Mid-East is a little more complex when examining results. Initially, the West feared the Soviets might dominate with influence in the region, but as things worked out, this isn't so. Soviet influence was blunted by buying many friends in the region. You know, money talks and BS walks. The formation of Israel didn't only take place with Kibbutz minded Soviet Jews, American Jewish gangsters joined in by committing the usual atrocities to get people to leave a region, committing genocide, rape and land grab from Arabs who even had written deeds to their land. In case you'd like to do some pre-internet research, I suggest you use the New York Times of the 1940s. Alekhine was only a pawn sacrificed probably to deny Botvinnik and his Soviet Jews any propaganda points. Alekhine was willing to deal with the Soviets if he could get rights for his family left in Russia, (should any be alive, since his brother was murdered in 1939). Who killed Alekhine and who could have prevented his murder I think is open to speculation, because we don't know the truth. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | keypusher: <Dr. Yes> You said you were leaving. I guess it was too good to be true. |
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Mar-08-12
 | | brankat: <Keypusher> On the other hand if the good Doctor had left we would have never known how the geopolitical situation in Europe (and beyond) in 1946 was directly responsible for A.Alekhine's death. |
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| Mar-08-12 | | AlanPardew: What's the evidence that Alekhine's brother was murdered in 1939? |
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Mar-08-12
 | | TheFocus: <AlanPardew> < What's the evidence that Alekhine's brother was murdered in 1939?> Well, for me, it is pretty conclusive. I mean the guy was shot several times, had a knife stuck in his back, and was hanging from a tree by a rope around his neck. Unless it was suicide? |
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| Mar-08-12 | | AlanPardew: <Well, for me, it is pretty conclusive. I mean the guy was shot several times, had a knife stuck in his back, and was hanging from a tree by a rope around his neck.> Is this a confession? |
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| Mar-08-12 | | King Death: <TheFocus: <AlanPardew> < What's the evidence that Alekhine's brother was murdered in 1939?>
....the guy was shot several times, had a knife stuck in his back, and was hanging from a tree by a rope around his neck. Unless it was suicide?>
Here's a case where the coroner came up with a verdict of "suicide": http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.u... |
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| Mar-08-12 | | Jim Bartle: The mention of LBJ buddy Billy Sol Estes in that article reminds me of a song by Allan Sherman in the early 60s: Oh where have you gone, Billy Sol, Billy Sol?
Oh where have you gone, Charming Billy?
You took every single cent
From the US government
And spent it all on fertilizer which is silly |
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| Mar-08-12 | | galdur: <Jim Bartle> Apparently JFK was considering dropping Johnson from the 1964 ticket because of the Estes scandal. Many loose ends were tied on Nov. 22nd 1963. |
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