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|Aug-06-13|| ||Shams: Newer technology may be more portable, less scratchy etc but for my money you can't improve on the sound quality of one of these old jobbies:|
|Aug-10-13|| ||Lovuschka: Without saying Jens Kotainy is guilty or innocent, it is in any case bad that police apparently can not investigate because it is only a first prize of 1000 Euro.|
In my opinion, if Kotainy would be guilty, he would have committed fraud against those he played against since they signed for a tourney of human players, not of an engine.
But! It is a thing of jurisdiction to decide if he is guilty. It is very weak if that jurisdiction does not investigate at all. Where do we draw the line then? Why would cheating at for example the (not chess) Olympics be an issue then, since you get not that much money and a few medals?
|Aug-10-13|| ||KWRegan: Just a quick note: My full-test files which produce statistical conclusions are not exhibited in public---the above are just the "Single-PV quick test" files which are for purposes of comparison with other data. Second, my full tests were same-day-overnight current with the games from Round 2 onward, and I was regularly advising the committee.|
|Aug-12-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <KWRegan> Are you actively investigating both Ivanov and Kotainy?|
|Aug-12-13|| ||SoUnwiseTheKnight B4: <LIFE Master AJ: <KWRegan> Are you actively investigating both Ivanov and Kotainy?>|
A song comes to mind..
|Aug-12-13|| ||DoctorD: App for cheaters for sale?
|Aug-14-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I think its a slam dunk that Kotainy is a cheater.
#1.) All of his moves follow Houdini. The author of this program - and Regan - have already stated that the odds of a human ALWAYS choosing the same first (or second) move of a program are astronomical.
#2.) Other masters were already suspicious.
#3.) He was under special observation.
#4.) He was caught - pretty much "red.handed" - with his vibrating cell phone, I don't think anyone bought his bit about the "anti-theft software."
|Aug-15-13|| ||twinlark: <LIFE Master AJ: <KWRegan> Are you actively investigating both Ivanov and Kotainy?>|
Ken Regan is the technical expert on the anti-cheating committee. Some of his articles can be found in the bio at Borislav Ivanov.
|Aug-15-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <twinlark> Thanks!|
|Aug-15-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: BTW, I know Regan from his playing days, although he may not remember me ...|
|Aug-20-13|| ||whiteshark: The New York Times
<A Master Is Disqualified Over Suspicions of Cheating>
|Aug-20-13|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: LMAJ --shut up, m'lad. "Silence is Golden" is an old song. |
Listen to it.
|Aug-21-13|| ||Karpova: This is an older article, back from the 3rd round of the NRW-OL (North Rhine-Westphalia Oberliga (the 3rd highest league in Germany, behind Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga)) in 2010, when Kotainy's SF Katernberg was playing against SK Münster 32 and taken from the latter club's webpage - headline <Knapp am Protest vorbei> (a protest was closely avoided) - Link: http://www.sk32.de/node/837 - sheeding light on Kotainy by describing his father's suspicious behaviour: |
<Um nun auf die Überschrift dieses Artikels zurück zu kommen jetzt zu einem Ereignis welches ich noch nicht erlebt habe. Und zwar war mir ein etwas eigenartiger Kiebitz des Schachkampfes aufgefallen, der mit kleinen Ohrhörern regelmässig zwischen Spielraum und Gastronomie wechselte. Nachdem ich sah, dass er sich dort mit einem Bekannten intensiv über einem Notebook in einer ausländischen Sprache unterhielt, war mein Mißtrauen geweckt. Ich fragte den Mannschaftführer von Katernberg, wer denn dieser eigenartige Vogel sei. „Der Vater von Jens Kotainy“ [dem Jungstar an Brett eins] sei er, war die Auskunft von Bernd Rosen, dem Mannschaftführer. Da Bernd dieses eigenartige Verhalten eines Spielerbetreuers offenbar selber unangenehm war,ermahnte er den Kiebitz die Ohrhörer abzunehmen und das Notebook abzubauen. Ob auf diesem Notebook Schachstellungen aufgerufen wurden, konnte ich nicht prüfen, die Situation war auf alle Fälle unnötig zweideutig. Das Beste ereignete sich allerdings kurz danach, als ich mir ein Getränk aus der Gastronomie holen wollte, der Vater von dem Jungstar kam wild entbrannt auf mich zu gestukulierte und erzünte sich ob meines Verdachtes. Außerdem wollte er mich durch <Festhalten daran hindern den Turnierraum zu betreten.> Schockiert über dieses Verhaltens rieß ich mich los ging wieder zu meiner Partie. Leider hatte ich in diesem Moment keine Zeugen, sonst hätte es trotz des tadellosen Verhaltens der anderen Katernberger und insbesondere Bernd Rosen’s, den ich im übrigen sehr schätze, einen Protest gegeben. Wie ich mir im übrigen später erzählen lassen konnte, ist der Vater von Jens Kontainy in der Verangenheit häufiger durch dubioses Verhalten aufgefallen.>
In short, Martin Molinaroli noticed strange behaviour from a kibitz who, wearing earphones, was frequently moving between the playing room and restaurant where he had a notebook and was accompanied by an acquaintance (as they spoke a foreign language, he couldn't understand them but thought the behaviour was suspicious).
He asked the team captain of Katernberg, Bernd Rosen, who the kibitz was and the latter said that it was Jens Kotainy's father. Rosen then proceeded to demand of Kotainy's father to take off the earphones and switch off the notebook. They couldn't check the notebook for chess positions though.
Later, when Molinaroli was trying to get a drink, Kotainy's father approached him angrily because of the suspicion and tried to prevent him from re-entering the playing room by holding him (this is the part emphasized here and in the original article). Molinaroli was shocked by such a behaviour but could tear himself away from Kotainy's father and go back to his game.
As he had no witnesses, he didn't file a protest (hence the title) but he was later told that Kotainy's father attracted attention oftentimes due to his dubious behaviour in the past.
|Sep-03-13|| ||jancotianno: Well this guy's chess career is over.|
|Sep-04-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: <Well this guy's chess career is over.> |
I would hope so...
Certainly, FIDE should takje SERIOUS action. (A five ... or even a ten year ban.)
Another thing FIDE should do is make these people take ownership of their actions and admit what they did. In other words, he should NEVER be allowed to play rated chess again until he admits that he cheated and that he he apologizes to chess players everywhere.
|Sep-06-13|| ||offramp: <Sep-03-13 jancotianno: Well this guy's chess career is over.>|
Have there been any recent developments?
|Sep-06-13|| ||offramp: < jancotianno: Well this guy's chess career is over.>
I've just noticed that your name looks like an Italian analogue of Jens Kotainy.|
|Sep-16-13|| ||Lovuschka: http://www.rochade-kuppenheim.de/do...|
Houdini's games in Dortmund are there. I mean Kotainy's.
|Sep-18-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Thanks for the link.
Everyone "gushes" over Bing, I tried to use it to translate the above page and was uniformly successful. (Give me Google every time!)
|Sep-18-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: BTW, one post generated so much e-mail, it was almost nauseating. (Surreal, even.) |
Of course, there was no news article, I just made that up ... sort of laconic (sardonic? tongue-in-cheek?) humor, if you will.
I am glad that a few people picked up on the parody/irony of the "Six Million Dollar Man" (<<better, faster,>> all of that nonsense). Given the situation that Kotainy had gotten himself into, I thought it was somewhat appropriate.
|Sep-18-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <I tried to use it to translate the above page and was uniformly successful.>|
Well, *that'll* never do.
|Sep-26-13|| ||whiteshark: Statement from the German Chess Federation on the <Case Kotainy>:|
|Sep-26-13|| ||perfidious: Might the DSB statement be translated as, 'You're history, sucker'?|
|Sep-26-13|| ||Karpova: From <whiteshark>'s link:|
<Aufgrund der bestehenden Rechtslage wird dieser Vorfall keine Sperre durch den Deutschen Schachbund nach sich ziehen können.>
The German Chess Federation cannot ban him due to the prevailing legal norms.
Apparently, they need a submittance declaration (<Unterwerfungserklärung>) signed by the player which wasn't done in this case.
<Der gesamte Sachverhalt wurde der Ethics Commission der FIDE gemeldet, die nun über Maßnahmen zu entscheiden hat.>
Now the FIDE Ethics Commission has to take a decision.
The following two immediate steps are suggested: Tournament conditions only with clear, general prohibition of electronic devices for communication (<elektronische Kommunikationsgeräte>) and a submittance declaration regarding the German Chess Federation penalty system shall be signed during registration for a tournament.
Furthermore, they will discuss whether Kotainy can remain in the <C-Kader> or not.
|Sep-30-14|| ||Lovuschka: It seems like Kotainy has completely retired from chess.
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