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| Jun-13-20 | | jith1207: Few more have been posted there, in 7-11 days interval. |
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Jun-14-20
 | | OhioChessFan: Winter decrying irrelevancy...wow.
<Oh yes, that picture in a book out of print for 95 years lists the 6th place finisher in the East Timbuktu Open as "Schaffer", while other sources spell it "Shaffer". Correspondents are encouraged to spend hours investigating this relevant matter. Please include your real name, Social Security Number, grandmother's maiden name, bank account number, Chessgames.com sign-on password, and <I'll mention you by name> in my column, surely the highlight of your life.> |
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Jun-15-20
 | | MissScarlett: That's a bit harsh. Magnanimity in victory, and all that. |
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Jun-16-20
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Ohio,
The Hotel La Grande where the players stayed during the East Timbuktu Open has the entry 'Schaffer.' So it's Schaffer. A note next to his name says he skedaddled before paying his hotel bill. All details along with names of family pets (living and deceased) in the post. |
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Jun-17-20
| | OhioChessFan: A further take on Winter. He can cast aspersions on sites like cg.c, and be on target sometimes. I share his disdain for the countless "Once" anecdotes. But in the big picture, what has he given chess? Cg.c is trying to slowly compile, correct, and present the history of chess. There are obviously going to be some warts created and eggs broken in the process. Winter has compiled an unindexed encyclopedia of chess minutiae. Big deal. |
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Jun-17-20
 | | saffuna: I have only read a tiny bit of Winter's criticism of this (fantastic and irreplaceable) site. But my impression is that Winter criticizes chessgames for not being something that chessgames is simply not trying to be. |
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| Jun-18-20 | | wharfrat: I doubt Winter was referring to this website specifically in C.N. 9254 as referenced in the 4/26/15 post from <MissScarlett>. But is chessgames.com trying to “compile, correct, and present the history of chess” as <OCF> suggests? Certainly some of its users are contributing quality material consistent with that mission but at the same time many others are uploading games with little or no historical value (not to mention the never-ending repetitive arguments that pop up everywhere and anywhere).
I think Winter’s contribution to chess history has been immeasurable. While I don’t disagree that he can obsess over trivial matters, he has tackled many significant topics and has taken on some sacred cows along the way. He’s identified some basic precepts taught to journalists and historians and has asked that they be used when writing about chess. It’s not his fault that so many popular writers on the game don’t apply them.
Lastly, I have found that Winter’s material to be very accessible. His books are extensively indexed and the “Chess Notes Factfinder” on his website works extremely well. |
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| Jun-18-20 | | Ziryab: <wharfrat> Winter's screed most certainly applies to cg.com, although not specifically. His assertions about what is missing is true IMHO of every chess site in existence. But, he sets a standard above what is practiced in any area of human endeavor, especially in the digital age. Worthy of note, however, is that the same criticisms about quality of content were made against Gutenberg, too, for the leveling that printing made possible. "Ninety percent of everything is crud." Theodore Sturgeon (1958) |
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Jul-03-20
| | OhioChessFan: Winter's books don't enter into the discussion. Winter whines about websites in his screed, and that is where I take issue with him. His Chess Notes is wildly entertaining, but ultimately fluff, an enormous encyclopedia of minutiae. You can't begin to compare his trivialities on his website with what goes on here. When researching anything chess related online, I'd estimate cg.c gets referenced 25 times as often as CN. I don't know what that says, but it surely says something. And I suspect that's the real source of Winter's vitriol. |
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Jul-26-20
| | MissScarlett: <Edward Winter’s Chess Notes: An Appreciation by John Hilbert> https://www.patreon.com/posts/39630... |
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Jun-11-21
| | MissScarlett: Winter is going into partnership with a German organisation....yeah, the Krauts! <On Saturday, 26 June 2021 a large on-line chess auction is being held which will include a substantial number of books and periodicals from our collection.Details are available on the website of the auctioneer, Antiquariat A. Klittich - Pfankuch, Brunswick, Germany (antiquariat@klittich-pfankuch.de). The 266-page printed catalogue also features non-chess items, which are being auctioned on 24 June 2021.> https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/... |
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| Dec-19-21 | | Gallicrow: Rather a late reply - but regarding MissScarlett's post of May-21-16 - I think the initials of the parents of Edward G Winter whose birth was registered in Newcastle in Q2 1957 are E.G. (Winter) and J. (Winter nee Pearson). The middle initial of G does not stand for Gerard in this case (although it probably does in the son). E.G. Winter appears in the 1939 register so I assume he is deceased (living people's entries are redacted) although I can't find any other evidence for this. |
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| Apr-01-22 | | Z free or die: He is still young, mid-60's, yet apparently his announced "retirement" is in earnest: https://twitter.com/olimpiuurcan/st... I.e. he's departed some of his dear Capablanca original materials. (Yes, I know it's from 2020, I missed it being fairly tweeter blind still) I wonder why Urcan got the nod, and not our "beloved" <Missy>? |
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| Mar-25-23 | | stone free or die: Hilbert's appreciation was republished here:
https://en.chessbase.com/post/john-... Maybe more readily readable than <Missy> patreon version above. |
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Mar-25-23
 | | fredthebear: John Hilbert is an excellent chess historian in his own right. |
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| Mar-25-23 | | stone free or die: You can say it, but it goes without saying. |
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Mar-25-23
| | fredthebear: Our own Bill Wall is an excellent chess historian as well. |
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| Mar-25-23 | | stone free or die: OTOH... Bill Wall never lists any sources. |
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Mar-25-23
| | fredthebear: A good journalist never reveals their sources.
OTOH: https://www.bing.com/videos/search?... Both are the very definition of true classics. |
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| Mar-25-23 | | stone free or die: Sez who? Randy Travis?! |
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May-02-23
 | | wwall: If you check my chess articles, I think I list my sources almost all the time in the past few years. I have listed hundreds of sources. I have never made any chess article up (except some of my humorous ones) and all of the info in my articles can be found in other articles, newspapers, magazines, books, or the Internet, mostly with sources. I have over 9,000 chess books in my library to choose from. See my chess articles at
http://www.billwallchess.com/ |
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| Nov-04-23 | | Lossmaster: A self-compiled collection of winterisms:
https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... |
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| Nov-05-23 | | Caissanist: <the lack of a proper online chess forum where topical controversies can be discussed in depth; where comprehensive and comprehensible coverage is founded on facts and informed opinions; where contributions bear the writer’s real name; where hearsay is absent; where wit is welcome but glib illiterates are not; where Internet links are supplied only if they lead to something worthwhile; where irrelevancy and repetition are avoided;> [...]
LOL, methinks that Mr. Winter could have left out the word "chess" and his characterization would have been equally true. |
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Nov-05-23
 | | perfidious: This humble poster agrees with that view. |
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Nov-05-23
 | | HeMateMe: 9000 chess books? where could they all be stored? |
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