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Viswanathan Anand
Number of games in database: 2,674
Years covered: 1984 to 2013
Last FIDE rating: 2783
Highest rating achieved in database: 2817
Overall record: +609 -195 =920 (62.0%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      950 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (456) 
    B90 B33 B30 B32 B42
 Ruy Lopez (299) 
    C78 C67 C89 C88 C92
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (150) 
    C89 C88 C92 C84 C95
 French Defense (118) 
    C11 C10 C18 C19 C12
 Sicilian Najdorf (116) 
    B90 B92 B93 B96 B97
 Caro-Kann (84) 
    B17 B12 B14 B19 B18
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (249) 
    B90 B92 B48 B84 B65
 Ruy Lopez (125) 
    C78 C80 C88 C67 C65
 Queen's Indian (115) 
    E15 E12 E17 E19 E14
 Semi-Slav (96) 
    D45 D47 D43 D44 D46
 Sicilian Najdorf (80) 
    B90 B92 B97 B96 B91
 Caro-Kann (71) 
    B12 B18 B17 B19 B13
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Karjakin vs Anand, 2006 0-1
   Anand vs Lautier, 1997 1-0
   Anand vs Topalov, 2005 1/2-1/2
   Radjabov vs Anand, 2002 0-1
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2008 0-1
   Anand vs Kasparov, 1995 1-0
   Anand vs Bologan, 2003 1-0
   Aronian vs Anand, 2013 0-1
   Anand vs Karpov, 1996 1-0
   Kramnik vs Anand, 2008 0-1

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov-Anand World Championship Match (1995)
   Karpov-Anand World Championship Match (1998)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2000)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2001)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand-Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)
   Anand-Topalov World Chess Championship (2010)
   Anand-Gelfand World Chess Championship (2012)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Wijk aan Zee Hoogovens (1996)
   Wijk aan Zee Hoogovens (1998)
   SIS-MH Masters (2003)
   7th Corsica Open (2003)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   Corsica Masters (2004)
   36th Olympiad (2004)
   Wijk an Zee Corus Chess (2004)
   Corsica Masters (2006)
   Corus Wijk aan Zee (2006)
   Villa de Canada de Calatrava (2007)
   Corsica Masters Knockout (2011)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Match Anand! by amadeus
   Admirable Anand! by chocobonbon
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 1) by Anatoly21
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 1) by Anatoly21
   anand's ruylopez as white by senankit
   Anand's immortal by senankit
   admirable anand by senankit
   anand's ruylopez with black by senankit
   anand ruylopez as white by senankit
   Exchange sacs - 2 by obrit
   anand at his best by senankit
   end games by senankit
   Anand vs World Champs decisive games+Torre games by visayanbraindoctor
   Anand at his best by you vs yourself

GAMES ANNOTATED BY ANAND: [what is this?]
   Nijboer vs Anand, 1998

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VISWANATHAN ANAND
(born Dec-11-1969) India

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Vishwanathan Anand ("Vishy" to his fans) has been the World Champion since 2007, and was FIDE World Champion from 2000-2002. He was born in 1969 in Mayiladuthurai, a small town in southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, but grew up in Chennai. His mother taught him to play chess at age 6. As an Indian and as an Asian chess player he blazed a trail with a number of firsts, including in 1984 becoming the youngest Indian to earn the title of IM (aged fifteen), becoming the youngest ever Indian Champion at 16, becoming in 1987 the first Indian to win the World Junior Championship and India’s first grandmaster, and becoming India’s (and Asia’s) first World Champion. He is also the first World Champion since Robert James Fischer and the second since Max Euwe who did not originate from one of the countries of what was the Soviet bloc. Moreover, he is the first and only player to have won the putative world championship via knockout tournament, round robin tournament and traditional match play.

Championships

<Age>: Anand’s first serious impact in Indian chess was as a 14 year old, winning the 1983-84 National Sub-Junior Championship with a perfect score of 9/9 points. From 1983 until 1986, he was the National Junior (under 19) Champion and in 1984 and again in 1985 he won Lloyd’s Bank Junior championship. Also in 1984 and again in 1985, Anand won the Asian Junior (under 19) Championships, the youngest to achieve this distinction. Anand capped his junior career by winning the 1987 World Junior Chess Championship.

<National>: He won the Indian National Championships in 1986, 1987 and 1988.

<Continental>: In 1986, he won the Arab-Asian International Chess Championship. In 1989, he won the 2nd Asian Active Chess Championship held in Hong Kong. In 1990 he won the Asian Open Chess Championship in Manila.

<World>: Anand’s first tilt at the World Championship cycle occurred during the last of the traditional FIDE cycles that had been established after World War II, albeit a cycle cut short at the final by Kasparov’s split from FIDE in 1993. Anand kicked off his world championship campaign when he won the gold medal at the 1990 Asian Zonal Championship, qualifying for the Manila Interzonal later that year. He came 3rd at that Interzonal, half a point behind co-leaders Vassily Ivanchuk and Boris Gelfand, thereby qualifying for the Candidates Matches. In 1991, he defeated Alexey Dreev in Chennai in the first round of Candidates matches, but lost to Anatoly Karpov in Brussels in the quarter finals.

In 1993, he came =1st with Michael Adams at the PCA Interzonal tournament in Groningen, the strongest Swiss tournament played until that time. Also in 1993, he contested the 1993 Biel FIDE Interzonal Tournament, coming 10th in a tightly fought contest, but nevertheless qualifying for the FIDE Candidates cycle. In the PCA Candidates, he defeated Oleg Romanishin 5-2 in a best of 8 match held in New York in 1994, then followed up shortly afterwards with a 5.5-1.5 demolition of Adams at Linares in the Candidates semi-final. In Las Palmas in 1995, he met and defeated Gata Kamsky in the final for the right to meet Garry Kasparov. In 1995, he met Kasparov at the World Trade Center in New York to play the match. After an opening run of eight draws, Anand won game nine but then lost four of the next five to concede the match 10½–7½. Conversely, in the concurrent FIDE cycle, Anand lost his quarter-final match to Kamsky, who went on to lose the 1996 FIDE championship match against Karpov. In 1997, Anand won the knock-out matches at Groningen for an opportunity to challenge FIDE World Champion Karpov, defeating Predrag Nikolic 2-0, Alexander Khalifman 3.5-2.5 (in the rapid and blitz tiebreak), Zoltan Almasi 2-0, Alexey Shirov 1.5-0.5, Boris Gelfand 1.5-0.5, and Adams 5-4 in a hard fought sudden death tiebreaker. In the 1998 FIDE cycle, FIDE controversially seeded the reigning champion Karpov directly into the final against the winner of the seven-round single elimination Candidates tournament. Despite coming through an extremely arduous campaign of 31 games in 30 days, Anand was able to draw the regular match 3-3, forcing a rapid playoff. However, the rapid playoff was won 2-0 by Karpov, allowing him to defend his FIDE championship.

In 2000, he beat Alexey Shirov 3½–½ in the final match held at Tehran to become the FIDE World Chess Champion, after defeating Viktor Bologan, Smbat Gariginovich Lputian, Bartlomiej Macieja, Khalifman, and Adams in the preliminary rounds. He failed to defend the title in 2002, losing in the semifinals to Ivanchuk after defeating Olivier Touzane, Peter Heine Nielsen, Vladislav Tkachiev, Dreev, and Shirov in the earlier rounds. Anand did not compete in the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), but tied for second with Peter Svidler in the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) at San Luis in Mexico with 8½ points out of 14 games, 1½ points behind the winner, Veselin Topalov. On the basis of his results at San Luis, Anand was seeded directly into the double round-robin FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007) in Mexico City, which he won with a score of 9/14 points, a full point ahead of joint second place finishers, Vladimir Kramnik and Boris Gelfand, thereby succeeding Kramnik as the title holder of the unified World Championship. In Bonn in October 2008, he successfully retained his crown when he won the twelve-game Anand-Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) by 6.5-4.5 (+3 -1 =7). The following year, he successfully defended his title in the Anand-Topalov World Chess Championship (2010) by 6.5-5.5 after winning the 12th and final classical game scheduled for the match. In May 2012, he faced the winner of the World Championship Candidates (2011), Boris Gelfand, to again successfully defend his title, winning the Anand-Gelfand World Chess Championship (2012) 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3) in the rapid game tiebreaker after drawing the classical games 6-6 (+1 -1 =10).

Tournaments

Anand is the only player to have won the super tournament at Wijk aan Zee (Corus from 1989-2010) five times. He is the first player to have achieved victories in each of the three big chess supertournaments: Corus/Wijk aan Zee (1989, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2006), Linares (1998, 2007, 2008), Dortmund (1996, 2000, 2004).

One of Anand’s earliest serious successes in international tournaments that brought him to international attention include his tie for first place in the Sakthi Finance International Grandmasters Chess Tournament in 1987, enabling him to win his third GM norm, and thereby becoming the youngest Grandmaster in the world at that time. In 1989, he competed in the 4th International Games Festival in France, placing 2nd overall in the Veterans vs. Youth Tournament, although he was 1st in the Youth category. During that event he beat former World Champions, Mikhail Tal and Boris Spassky in their individual encounters. In 1990, he won the 1990 Manchester Chess Festival and was =1st in the 1990 Triveni Super Grandmasters Tournament in Delhi. In 1992, Anand took out 1st in the category 18 Reggio Emilia Chess Tournament ahead of Kasparov and Karpov in the strongest tournament ever held until this time. Also in he won the 1992 Goodrich Open International Tournament in Kolkata and won the category 18 Alekhine Memorial tournament in Moscow ahead of Karpov. This raised his rating to 2700, and was only the 8th person to reach that mark at that time. In 1994, he won the PCA Grand Prix in Moscow ahead of Kasparov

Major successes followed rapidly in 1996, when he finished 2nd at the Las Palmas super tournament and at the Magistral Tournament in Leon. There followed, in 1997, wins in the category 19 tournament in Dos Hermanes, the Invesbanka Chess tournament in Belgrade, the Credit Suisse Classic Tournament in Biel, and 2nd place in Dortmund. In 1998 he won the category 21 (average 2752) Linares tournament, as well as at Madrid and at the Fontys-Tilburg International Chess Tournament. In 1999, he won again at Wijk aan Zee. In 2000, he was runner up at Linares, won at Leon (beating Shirov 1½:½) and at Dortmund and also at the 2000 FIDE World Cup in Shenyeng, defeating Evgeny Bareev 1.5 - 0.5 in the final to win. He successfully defended his World Cup title in 2002 in Hyderabad. In 2001, Anand finished 1st in the 2nd Torneo Magistral Tournament in Mexico City, a clear point ahead Nigel Short, Khalifman and Hernandez. In 2002, he won the Eurotel World Chess Trophy in Prague, defeating Jan Timman (2-0), Khalifman (2-0), Sokolov (1.5-0.5), Ivanchuk (2.5-1.5) and Karpov (1.5-0.5) in the final. He won Corus in 2003 and 2004, and took out Dortmund in 2004. In spring of 2006, following a record-extending fifth victory at Corus Wijk aan Zee (2006), Anand became only the fourth player ever to crack the 2800-Elo mark in FIDE ratings, following Kasparov, Vladimir Kramnik, and Veselin Topalov. A few months after he won the World Championship in 2007, he won the (category 21) Morelia-Linares (2008) outright with 8.5 points, winning at Linares for the third time in his career. Following mediocre (for Anand) results in 2012 which saw him slip out of the top 5 for the first time in nearly 20 years, Anand scored 8/13 to place =3rd behind Carlsen and Aronian at the category 20 Tata Steel (2013) event, and defeated Aronian in round 4 in a game that is becoming known as Anand's Immortal.*

2013 saw Anand breaking his tournament drought by winning outright at the category 19 GRENKE Chess Classic (2013) with 6.5/10, winning in the last round to head off Fabiano Caruana by half a point at the pass. This was his first tournament win since Linares in 2008. A few weeks later he placed 2nd behind Caruana at the Category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013) with 3/6 (+1 -1 =4), losing one game to Caruana and defeating Kramnik in his sole win. In April-May 2013, Anand placed outright 3rd at the category 20 Alekhine Memorial (2013), a half point behind Levon Aronian and Gelfand, with 5/9 (+2 -1 =6), a par for rating performance.

Olympiads

Anand played board 4 for India in 1984, and top board in 1986, 1988, 1990, 1992, 2004 and 2006, winning a silver medal on top board in 2004.

Matches

In 1992, Anand defeated the then number 3 Vassily Ivanchuk by 5:3 in a match held in Linares. In 1997, he played an exhibition simul against 6 computers at the Aegon Man Vs Computers chess event, winning 4-2. In 1998 at the Siemens Nixdorf Duell (Rapid) event in Frankfurt, he beat the then world open category computer chess champion Fritz 5 (1.5-0.5). In 1999 at the Torneo Magistral de Ajedrez in Leon, he beat Karpov 5:1. He won the 2001 "Duel of the Champions", defeating Kramnik in a rapid game match 6.5-5.5 and in 2009, he defeated Leko 5-3 in the Leko-Anand Rapid Match (2009). In June 2011, he won the rapid XXIV Magistral de Ajedrez Ciudad de Leon (2011) 4.5-1.5 (+3 -0 =3).

Teams

In 1986, he won a silver medal as a board prize in the Asian Team Championship. He scored 7/7 in the 1989 Asian Team Chess Championship thereby winning the top board prize as well as the individual best performance of the tournament. He has played in the Bundesliga, the French and Hungarian Team Championships and the European Club Cup. In 2009, he lead the Rest of the World from board 1 to a decisive 21.5-10.5 victory in the Azerbaijan vs the World (2009) event.

Rapids

Anand has always been renowned for the speed of his calculation and moves. His early classical games were often played at close to blitz speed and this prowess has stood him in good stead to enable him to become perhaps the greatest blitz and rapid player of all time. His prowess at quick-play chess has earned him the nickname "The Lightning Kid."

The Chess Classic at Mainz, essentially the annual open world rapid championship, that had commenced in 1994 and finished up in 2010 had become Anand’s personal property as he won it 11 times out of the 17 times it had been staged, including nine consecutive wins from 2000 through to 2008. In addition, he has won the annual overall Amber Blindfold and Rapid Chess Championships in 1994, 1997, 2003, 2005 and 2006, the Amber Rapid 7 times, and he was the only player to win the blind and rapid sections of the Amber tournament in the same year (twice: in 1997 and 2005). Other significant sequences were the six consecutive wins at Corsica from 1999 through 2005, and seven wins at Leon in 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, Ciudad de Leon XVIII (2005), XIX Ciudad de Leon (2006), and 2007. Other victories include 1st place at the 1996 Credit Swiss Rapid Chess Grand Prix, in Geneva, where he beat Garry Kasparov in the final, 1st in Wydra in Haifa in 1999 and 2000, 1st in the 2000 Plus GSM World Blitz Chess Cup in Warsaw where he won outright with 17.5 Points in 22 Games, defeating Karpov, Gelfand and Svidler, 1st in the 2000 Fujitsu Siemens Giants Chess (Rapid) in Frankfurt, winning the 2006 Mikhail Tal Memorial Blitz Tournament in Moscow with 23/34, which involved winning 11 out of 17 mini-matches to claim the strongest Blitz tournament in the history of the game, beating his eventual successor to the rapid crown, Aronian, by a 2 point margin. He is also the 2003 FIDE World Rapid Chess Champion by virtue of winning the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003). On 27 March 2011 in Tashkent in Uzbekistan, Anand defeated Rustam Kasimdzhanov in a rapid play match by 3.5-0.5 and in September 2011, he won the Botvinnik Memorial Rapid (2011) ahead of Aronian, Kramnik and Carlsen with 4.5/6 (+3 =3 -0). In October 2011, he defeated Shakhriyar Mamedyarov by 2-0 in the final to win the Corsica Masters Knockout (2011).

Awards

Anand has won the Chess Oscar on 6 occasions, in 1997, 1998, 2003, 2004, 2007, and 2008. He has received many other national and international awards including the Arjuna award for Outstanding Indian Sportsman in Chess in 1985, the inaugural Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna Award, India's highest sporting honour in the year 1991–1992, the British Chess Federation’s 'Book of the Year' Award in 1998 for his book My Best Games of Chess, the Padma Bhushan in 2000, the Sportstar Millennium Award in 1998 from India's premier Sports magazine for being the sportperson of the millennium. In 2007, he was awarded India's second highest civilian award, the Padma Vibhushan, making him the first sportsperson to receive the award in Indian history and received the 'Global Strategist Award' for mastering many formats of World Chess Championships by National Association of Software and Services Companies (NASSCOM) in 2011.

Personal

Anand holds a Bachelor's degree in Commerce from Loyola College in Chennai, India. Previously, he attended High School at Don Bosco. He is married to Aruna Anand and lives in Chennai along with his son Akhil Anand. In August 2010, Anand joined the Board of Directors of Olympic Gold Quest, a foundation for promoting and supporting India's elite sportspersons and potential young talent. In 2010 Anand donated his World Championship gold medal from his successful 2008 title defense to the charitable organisation "The Foundation" to be auctioned off for the benefit of underprivileged children.

Rating and Ranking

<Classical> Anand is one of six players in history to crack the 2800 mark. However, as of 1 May 2013, his rating was 2783 making him the 5th ranked player in the world, and the top rated player in the Asian region.

<Rapid> 2794 (world #5);

<Blitz> not rated as yet.

Sources and references

Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; Biography of Anand at the official FIDE website for the 2012 World Championship match: http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/prese...; Wikipedia article: Viswanathan Anand; * Aronian vs Anand, 2013


 page 1 of 107; games 1-25 of 2,674  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Anand vs A Greenfeld 1-080 1984 Lloyds Bank opB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
2. Piket vs Anand 0-144 1984 Wch U20A48 King's Indian
3. Van der Wiel vs Anand 1-027 1984 ThessalonikiB42 Sicilian, Kan
4. Anand vs M Apicella 1-025 1984 Champigny sur Marne opB76 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
5. K Perera vs Anand 1-060 1984 Asia-ch U20 8thC70 Ruy Lopez
6. D Alzate vs Anand 0-166 1984 ?B80 Sicilian, Scheveningen
7. Anand vs C Hansen ½-½19 1984 ?B05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
8. Anand vs D Hergott 1-038 1984 ThessalonikiB33 Sicilian
9. Kiril Georgiev vs Anand 1-035 1984 Wch U20E63 King's Indian, Fianchetto, Panno Variation
10. P Ostermeyer vs Anand 0-141 1984 ThessalonikiA15 English
11. Anand vs Dlugy 1-060 1985 SharjahB17 Caro-Kann, Steinitz Variation
12. Anand vs A J Mestel 1-025 1985 LondonB76 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack
13. P Mithrakanth vs Anand 0-130 1985 IndiaB84 Sicilian, Scheveningen
14. Anand vs Ivanchuk ½-½50 1985 Wch U20C78 Ruy Lopez
15. V Perera vs Anand 1-029 1985 9th Asian Junior ChC05 French, Tarrasch
16. Blatny vs Anand 1-032 1985 SharjahB25 Sicilian, Closed
17. P Paiewonsky vs Anand 0-131 1985 Wch U20D79 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.O-O, Main line
18. Anand vs P Thipsay 1-048 1986 CalcuttaC78 Ruy Lopez
19. Anand vs Pacheco Vega 1-040 1986 GausdalB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
20. Anand vs V Tukmakov 0-132 1986 DelhiE17 Queen's Indian
21. N McDonald vs Anand  ½-½30 1986 OakhamA07 King's Indian Attack
22. Anand vs M Lodhi 1-072 1986 DubaiC18 French, Winawer
23. Anand vs C Horvath  ½-½36 1986 GausdalB47 Sicilian, Taimanov (Bastrikov) Variation
24. Razuvaev vs Anand  ½-½32 1986 CalcuttaE80 King's Indian, Samisch Variation
25. Anand vs N McDonald 1-044 1986 London/Leningrad (WM)C18 French, Winawer
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Sep-05-12  drik: <perfidious: <drik> The examples you cite are exceptions which prove the rule.>

It is strange when someone prefers to use a 'rule-of-thumb' & actively disregards the player's own self-assessment. But it becomes less strange when you see that same someone, unliaterally declare that Kasparov has a 5-0 match record against Karpov ... ignoring the 5-3 result in the 84 match & the 12-12 result in the 87 match. If it is possible to ignore FACTS then I guess ignoring mere OPINIONS is easy!

What say you <HeMateMe>? More deafening silence when it comes to justifying the 5-0 claim? I'm all ears - let me know when you find your voice.

Sep-06-12  shach matov: <HeMateMe: My expeience is that chessplayers are not always objective about their careers. Looking at their results over a sustained period should paint a more accurate picture than any comments by the chessplayer in question.>

That's a good point. We also have to always keep in mind that what players say even about themselves has to be taken with a grain of salt as everybody has agenda, and not only when it comes to their opponents but also to themselves.

Sep-06-12  drik: <shach matov: We also have to always keep in mind that what players say even about themselves has to be taken with a grain of salt as everybody has agenda,>

OK. So rather than just disbelieve everbody, simply because they MIGHT have an agenda - why not suggest what this agenda might be?

Kasparov would have a reason to claim that his peak was in 1990 - this would give him the excuse of ageing for his 2000 match loss. Instead of doing this, he states his peak was in 1999 & even mentions seven consecutive tournament victories NOT INCLUDING THE KRAMNIK MATCH. So it not even that that slipped his mind. He is no fool, he must know the implication of placing his ABSOLUTE PEAK so close to a match loss. I think he doesn't care - his record speaks for itself & needs no embellishment.

Sep-06-12  shach matov: <drik> Facts and numbers have much more weight than opinions... especially opinions of players about themselves which are hardly objective. <HeMateMe> gave you real numbers and facts... you had zero facts and consequently resorted to using opinions. Thus, he clearly wins the argument since opinions are ALWAYS subjective. Now guys, just make peace and lets move to another subject;]
Sep-06-12
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  perfidious: Here's a fact: <shach matov> makes all these claims about Kasparov's play, psychological state, etc, without anything to back up what he says, then maunders on about even the great man's own views on himself cannot be trusted.

Whom do we believe, Kasparov or the person who knows nothing at all about him, yet expects us to swallow up whole whatever views he shares? Sounds hypocritical to me.

Sep-06-12  shach matov: <makes all these claims about Kasparov's play, psychological state, etc, without anything to back up what he says> that's not true actually: here I didn't once mention any psychology but merely agreed with <hemateme>'s statement. His post contained real records and numbers while your position was simply based on opinion.

That's why I think you're wrong. Opinions simply shatter on impact when they collide with numbers.

Sep-06-12  shach matov: The argument is rather strait forward: was GK's best period 85-95 or 96-2005?

Well lets see: 85-95: just some of his records during that period include "placing first or equal first in 15 individual tournaments from 1981 to 1990"; also, Sonas gives 4 of his 5 best tournament performances (including his very best one) during 88-93 and only one in 1999; he beats Karpov in three matches, then beats Anand; has 9 gold Olympic medals while only two during 96-2005.

During the 96-2005 period he still has many great tourneys but much less than during 86-95. And during the second period he underperformed in the two serious matches, namely 97 with Deepblue and the 2000 match. So very clearly his by far best period was indeed 85-95.

Now against this <drik> has what GK said, which was something like I was at my best in 1999. He was in an excellent form in 99, no doubts about it; but as far as his best period for tournament and match dominance, the 85-95 period was by far greater than 95-2005.

To recap (where I exclude the Anand match since it can go to both periods):

85-95:

multiple tournament records; multiple Olympiad gold medals (9); Three won matches against Karpov; 4 of his 5 best tournament performances; multiple other records; the best career tournament performance (Tilburg 89).

95-2005:

still the best in the world but no more tournament records; only two Olympiad golds; one world championship match where he underperformed like never before in his career; only one best tournament performance in 1999 which was still not as good as the one in 89.

So indeed he was in excellent form in 99, but his the best longer period was by far 85-95.

Sep-06-12  drik: <shach matov: <drik> Facts and numbers have much more weight than opinions... especially opinions of players about themselves which are hardly objective.>

...so you assume that Kasparov is unaware about the facts & numbers of his own career? You brought up the idea of AGENDAS - suggest one that explains Kasparov wanting to ignore your so-called 'FACTS' & placing his best year next to a match loss. Can't even think of one can you? I've given you a good reason to the contrary - the excuse of ageing.

As for 'FACTS' - Kasparov mentions the reason for his pride in 1999 was the strength of the opposition then. It was a second golden age of chess - in contrast to the late 80's which were a talent void with the exception of Karpov.

As for HeMateMe's 'facts' ... you think I'd give ANY credence to someone who claims that Kasparov has a 5-0 match record against Karpov? And then disappears without a trace when challenged to justify this 'FACT'? LOL! He isn't too busy to add to his 15,000 posts, on the Kibitzing page. Finally, he defends his 'FACTS' (players peak in their 20's) with 'In my experience...'. Because I'm supposed to give more credence to HIS experience as compared to KASPAROV'S? ROFLMAO!

Sep-06-12  drik: <perfidious: Whom do we believe, Kasparov or the person who knows nothing at all about him>

Exactly. He is saying that Kasparov has an agenda, involving lying to the world about his best year...but he cannot rustle up any reason. He just disbelieves his 'idol' on principle - bizzare.

BTW notice how he keeps dragging out the issue of 10 year primes, when form varies year on year. A match only lasts a month - what relevance is a 10 year prime to that? I'll tell you ... 85-95 Kasparov had no opposition except Karpov (& a brief burst from Ivanchuk). 95-05 saw Kramnik, Anand & Topalov emerge. It isn't how much you win by - it's who you beat.

Sep-06-12  micartouse: The reason Kasparov thinks he was strongest in 1999 is difficult to see purely by looking at statistics: the 90's generation of players was much stronger than the previous one. Think about how powerful some of these kids were!

The fact that Kasparov managed to soar above them anyway is practically unexplainable.

Sep-06-12  drik: <micartouse: The reason Kasparov thinks he was strongest in 1999 is difficult to see purely by looking at statistics: the 90's generation of players was much stronger than the previous one.>

Most people would agree that Anand, Kramnik & Topalov stand a class above Timman, Ljubojevic & Nunn! 1-0 against the first group means more than 1-0 against the second.

Sep-07-12  shach matov: <drik> you completely ignored my previous post, where I show with real numbers and records why GK's best period was 85-95, and instead you resort to childish bickering. If you want your argument to be taken seriously, consider EACH one of the points in my post and present your opposing arguments with numbers and facts. Otherwise <hemateme> clearly wins the argument.

Remember: the initial argument was NOT about one year anyway, but was about a longer period of time when the player was in his prime (that is, a young player in his 20's early 30's vs the more mature in his mid to late 30's).

I repeat: show with NUMBERS AND RECORDS why you think his best period was after 95 or 96 and not before.

Sep-07-12
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  perfidious: In <drik>'s first group, how many played world title matches? In the second set, how many even made the Candidates'?
Sep-07-12  micartouse: <I repeat: show with NUMBERS AND RECORDS why you think his best period was after 95 or 96 and not before.>

No need to shout. You guys made great points, and it's legitimately complicated. Kasparov was more dominant over 80's players. He was slightly less so over 90's players, so it all comes down to how we compare the two generations he fought. Here the statistics get murky and have to be considered in context.

Let's face it - the players who emerged in the 90's were far stronger. Kasparov dismantled players like Ivanchuk, Gelfand, Leko, Shirov, Morozevich, and Adams. Many are going to more impressed by this, and Kasparov evidently is more proud of this as well for good reason.

Sep-07-12  RookFile: The players in the 1990's were stronger. Not because they were smarter, but because they were actually playing. Chess went through a down period when Fischer quit and a boring champ like Karpov was the best we had for 10 years. Chess declined in popularity. When Kasparov came with his dynamic style of play, it breathed fresh life into the game. In some ways, Kasparov was a victim of his own success, inpiring these strong players to stick with the game.
Sep-07-12
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  perfidious: <micartouse> You can cite plausible arguments and proofs ad infinitum to <shach>, yet none of it will matter if you go against an opinion he holds dear and defends to the death, treating it as red-hot gospel. It won't matter a jot whether it's fellow greats praising Kasparov's play or GK's self-assessment; the result will be the same.
Sep-07-12  shach matov: <perfidious>

you don't seem to even know what the argument is about. <hemateme> stated that Kasparov was in his prime during THE PERIOD when he was in his 20's (early 30's). <drik> decided that he doesn't like this statement so he dug up GK's opinion when he said he was in best form in 99. But he ignored the fact that <hemateme> did not refer to one year but to a period of at least 10 years! therefore your and drik's objection to <hemateme>'s statement is absolutely baseless.

He explicitly refers to a 10 year period while you show an opinion about one year. He says 2+2=4 and you object that that's incorrect since the capital of Russia is Moscow. It's an absurd objection.

And he showed and I also in my previous post that BY FAR GK's best 10 year period was 85-95 and not the latter half of his career. He may have felt that he was in one of the best shapes in 99 but that in no way refutes the fact that his best long period (10 or so years) was 85-95 as this is supported by facts.

So there's no argument here: <hematyeme> was arguing one thing while you're arguing something else, and accordingly you did not in any way refute his initial statements.

Sep-07-12
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  perfidious: <shach> When it comes to your man Gazza, there are two pillars upon which everything rests:

1) Kasparov is the greatest:

2) I know Kasparov better than he knows himself.

It's hardly necessary to know every particular of every monologue in which you're engaged, because all follows from the above.

Sep-07-12  shach matov: <perfidious>

that's a completely silly and childish statement to make for a 50 year old. You're like a retarded child who never grew up. Losing much money in poker lately hey? that's why so peevish;]

one thing though for sure, when it comes to <perfidious> and his man Fischer, there are two pillars upon which everything rests:

1) Fischer is the greatest:

2) I know Fischer better than he knows himself.

It's hardly necessary to know every particular of every monologue in which he is engaged, because all follows from the above.

Sep-07-12  shach matov: <micartouse: Kasparov was more dominant over 80's players. He was slightly less so over 90's players, so it all comes down to how we compare the two generations he fought.>

That's interesting and indeed it does get complicated very fast.

I would add two points:

1. Karpov was his main rival during the 80's and we know the results of the four matches they plaid. This alone outweighs all other GK achievement statistics from the 90's as Karpov is considered in the top 5 all time greats (his tourney record alone would place him there without the matches he plaid)

2. Sonas gives tourney performances which takes into account the strength of players (that is we can ignore the possibility that the 90's players were stronger than 80's, in this case). Accordingly, he gives the four best performances in the 85-93 period vs the only one best in the 95-2005 period. This is clearly a monstrous disparity in his performances during the two periods: the younger GK wins by 4-1 in this area. Sonas uses his own methods of calculation, but one thing is for sure: he has no bias whatsoever for the younger GK vs the older one. Ergo, we can trust his statistics in this case.

Now hopefully we can get back to Anand since it's still his page ;]

Sep-07-12  drik: <shach matov: <drik> you completely ignored my previous post,>

You completely ignore the content of my posts... & yet still post to me. Kasparov lost his title in a month long match in 2000. Kasparov states that his absolute peak was in 1999. Hence the match result is of great significance - & the winner (whom I quoted) has the right to be taken seriously when commenting on Anand's strength.

If you or HeMateMe insist on discussing 10 year primes - that is your business. But you have not explained why 10 year primes are relevant in predicting the result of a one month match. They are not. The only reason to clutch at them is because it insulates your hero from his defeat.

EVEN if you were correct & Kasparov was wrong about himself - nobody could claim that there had been any SIGNIFICANT deterioration over that period. 10-20 Elo tops ... so it still does not take ANYTHING away from Kramnik's clinical & chanceless victory. And that is YOUR agenda, isn't it?

Sep-07-12  shach matov: <drik: But you have not explained why 10 year primes are relevant in predicting the result of a one month match.>

But nobody except you was talking about the 2000 match in this context. <hemateme> did not talk about the 10 year prime in the context of the 2000 match so you have no reason whatsoever to bring that up here!

He simply wanted to analyze GK'S best long period and it is clearly the 85-95 period and not later. This was his point... everything else was your own invention to distract from this point, including the 2000 match.

Sep-07-12  drik: <shach matov: <perfidious> that's a completely silly and childish statement to make for a 50 year old. You're like a retarded child who never grew up.>

LOL! ...& I'm the one who is bickering, eh? Seriously, you need to get that mirror - even a small vanity mirror might do the job. You've got no perspective without it.

<Now hopefully we can get back to Anand since it's still his page ;]>

And who was it that brought up this irrelevance in the first place? We can get back to Anand; if you are capable of reading that Kramnik claims - <"In general, he’s improved a great deal in recent years, at some point after 2002. He’s a chess player of genius, but previously he didn’t work enough, by and large."> http://whychess.com/en/node/1605 - without hyperventilating and being compelled to resort to abuse. If however, you are unable to see such a thing in print & feel impelled to shout it down ... then we have a problem.

Sep-07-12  drik: <shach matov: This was his point... everything else was your own invention to distract from this point, including the 2000 match.>

I never mentioned Kapsarov. HeMateME & you brought him up. Have you forgotten already?

Sep-07-12  shach matov: Now regarding the 2000 match if you're so keen to discuss it. It seems you completely ignore the possibility that even if GK was at his best in 99, it doesn't necessarily mean that he was still at his best during the 2000 match.

Another point is that I do recall that you admitted that GK was the overall better player than Kramnik. Now, if the better player was still in his best form of his life during the match it would follow that he would simply dismantle your hero Kramnik in the 2000 match. That follows from your own assumptions. But it was not the case. Ergo, in 2000 GK was not in his best form.

So what evidence do you have that GK was in his best form in 2000. None whatsoever. The better player in his very top prime should definitely beat the the lesser player, which folows by definition.

Now mind you I was not even considering the 2000 match since <hemateme> was not referring to it at all (as far as I remember). He was merely trying to decide which period was GK's prime... and on the bases of all the records I am aware of, he was definitely right. And still nobody was able to provide any evidence to the contrary.

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