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Dec-17-09
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| badest: <Mr. Bojangles: < I am not so sure the will manage all the "old-dogs" to qualify for a WC match.> ??> How did "HE" become "the" ... hmmmm ;)
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Dec-17-09
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| badest: <hand banana> yes, getting over 2800 and staying there for a while is not impressive at all ... bunch of people do that ... every year ... lol! |
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Dec-17-09
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| TheBB: He means that if there's a bunch of people over 2750, then stabilizing over 2800 is <easier>, not <harder>, than if they weren't there, which is certainly true. I'm sure <hand banana> does not mean to imply that stabilizing over 2800 is not objectively impressive anyway. |
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| Dec-17-09 |
| Mr. Bojangles: < He means that if there's a bunch of people over 2750, then stabilizing over 2800 is <easier>, not <harder>, than if they weren't there, which is certainly true. I'm sure <hand banana> does not mean to imply that stabilizing over 2800 is not objectively impressive anyway.> ?? |
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| Dec-17-09 |
| Whitehat1963: Okay, I'm probably going to sound like a mathematical idiot, but I can live with that. Not my thing. I don't pretend to understand the statistical complexities of the Elo system, but if there's a lot of top competition (and with 30-plus people rated above 2700 these days, I think perhaps we can say there is a more crowded field of top-flight competition to prepare for than say in Fischer's era, let alone in the Capablanca-Lasker-Alekhine era), and you're always playing that elite competition, that staying above 2800 would be very difficult indeed. Not to mention that with the likes of Rybka, any of those 30-plus players can have a special novelty prepared just for you at any time. Today's very top players are probably running into more specially prepared lines than players did in the past. Just a suspicion. I do, however, understand that rating inflation has a big role in all of this, and it was far more impressive for Kasparov and Fischer to be miles ahead of everyone else, and 2800 doesn't mean what it did 15 years ago. Furthermore, isn't it hard to keep yourself above 2800 with a more hectic tournament schedule today? Or is the frequency of top tournaments about the same as it was in the Kasparov-Karpov heyday? Would that matter in any way. But, for instance, look at how Ivanchuk's rating nearly sank below 2700 for a moment this year. I think Ivanchuk is one of the absolute greats of the last quarter century, but he's NEVER made it above 2800, even for a moment. Meanwhile, Topalov kept himself above that mark for the last year. Even if no one else does, I think it's impressive. |
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Dec-17-09
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| whatthefat: <TheBB>
I agree, it's clear that was <handbanana>'s intended meaning. |
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Dec-19-09
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| Ladolcevita: OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!
I just met TOPALOV in a bus!!!...
Is it possible???
Or just someone really looks like him??!!
Does he have a twin brother?
Oh,no way....I knew...
Pity that I havent got enough courage to talk to that guy to confirm it...
And "dare to die competition"is the only line I saw in the backside of his coat.... |
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| Dec-20-09 |
| splatty: What are people's opinions on the match with Kramnik and the toilet gate scandal? Do they know yet if Topalov and Danailov just made up crap because Topalov made such a bad start to the match? |
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| Dec-22-09 |
| Tripler: The Toiletgate (oh dear) farce was prompted because Topalov choked in the first two games. If he'd won them I'm sure he'd have been a real gentleman. And how many chances does he get to play for the World Championship? The world championship
goes from dominant player to first among equals; maybe Carlsen will be the new dominant player. Not so sure he should've accepted Kasparov as a trainer though: looks a little like the Sorcerer's Apprentice (not the Bronstein book.) |
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| Dec-22-09 |
| Sacsacmate: <Whitehat1963:...Meanwhile, Topalov kept himself above that mark for the last year. Even if no one else does, I think it's impressive> I would like to point out that (statistically the actual numbers may vary just a bit) Topa has played just 33 serious games in a calender year 2009..excluding Amber, Zurich Rapid etc.. I guess his intention is to preserve prep for April 2010 match...so his staying over 2800 seems like a side-effect... |
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| Dec-25-09 |
| Mr. Bojangles: Topalov would either be fresh as a daisy or as rusty as an old dock yard come April. |
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| Dec-25-09 |
| bgkuzzy: I shook hands with Topalov at Mtel. Big deal.. |
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Dec-25-09
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| ughaibu: Did Dainalov rush over with disinfectant? |
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| Dec-27-09 |
| HoLySmOkE: <ughaibu: Did Dainalov rush over with disinfectant?>
No, Kramnik was not near.. |
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Jan-09-10
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| Ladolcevita: Such a legend would never be forgoten years later,but what I REMEMBER is something that nobody understands.
Topalov,good luck to your next tournament,, |
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Jan-09-10
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| Sneaky: <TheBB: He means that if there's a bunch of people over 2750, then stabilizing over 2800 is <easier>, not <harder>, than if they weren't there, which is certainly true. I'm sure <hand banana> does not mean to imply that stabilizing over 2800 is not objectively impressive anyway.> Well let's not go so far as to say "not impressive" ... if you aren't impressed at a 2800+ rating then you wouldn't even be posting on this site. Hyperbole aside, I understand the meat of your argument (actually hand-banana's argument): that if you play a lot of 2700-2750 players, it's quite possible to get over 2800. What it takes is to first get in the club of high-rated players, then to go on a giant consistent winning streak. This is no easy feat, but history proves it can be done. Topalov did it. On the other hand, suppose there were NO grandmasters in the 2700's, and only one over 2800. In that scenario, retro-analysis would tell you that the player over 2800 would have necessarily have gone on an amazingly tenacious winning streak, from both sides of the board. Even drawing games would set him back, so he would have to be winning game after game with a law of diminishing returns on his progress. It's a much more impressive feat. The law of diminishing returns is built into Elo's famous rating formula; many things are debatable in the ratings issue, but the cold hard math of Elo's formula is not. The difference between your rating and your opponent is what dictates the magnitude of the swing, so the better you get, the harder it is to get higher. Kasparov was 2800+ when there were very few players in the 2700s, and that was of course very impressive. It took a very solid performance: lots of wins, not many losses, and a stubborn pushy refusal to draw. But with all that in mind, I am still convinced that Fischer's 2785 is the most incredible raw rating achievement in the history of chess. The gap between his rating and the next group of grandmasters was so vast, and the nature of Elo's formula virtually precluded anybody from attaining a rating that high. And yet, somehow he did it. |
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| Jan-09-10 |
| CruyffTurn: <Sneaky> Agree 100%. |
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| Jan-09-10 |
| hand banana: <I understand the meat of your argument (actually hand-banana's argument): that if you play a lot of 2700-2750 players, it's quite possible to get over 2800> that wasn't the argument at all. i just meant that <if you're good enough> it's easier for you to get to 2800 in a world with a lot of 2750 players than in a hypothetical world where, for the sake of argument, best players are rated around e.g. 2500 that's why i reacted to this: <Impressive these days with so many players rated above 2750.> fischer's 2780+ was impressive, kasparov's 2850+ was impressive, just because of that huge elo difference compared to the rest of the elite players. |
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Jan-09-10
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| Bondsamir: <Mr. Bojangles: Badest, 4 months before ur tears start. I can wait for your boy to be torn another orifice by the Indian Raj.>
BAD TASTE LANGUAGE. |
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Feb-01-10
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| corbulo: How can anyone root for Topa to beat Anand? Just curious... |
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| Feb-01-10 |
| Mr. Bojangles: <corbulo: How can anyone root for Topa to beat Anand? Just curious...> Why can't Topa be rooted for? |
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Feb-03-10
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| corbulo: <Mr. Bojangles: <corbulo: How can anyone root for Topa to beat Anand? Just curious...>
Why can't Topa be rooted for?>
Ah yes... Brilliant. |
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