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Nigel Short
Number of games in database: 2,402
Years covered: 1974 to 2013
Last FIDE rating: 2681
Highest rating achieved in database: 2712
Overall record: +787 -416 =914 (58.8%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      285 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (512) 
    B90 B23 B40 B33 B81
 Ruy Lopez (191) 
    C84 C78 C92 C86 C65
 French Defense (136) 
    C11 C18 C10 C19 C02
 Caro-Kann (100) 
    B12 B10 B17 B11 B18
 Ruy Lopez, Closed (95) 
    C84 C92 C86 C95 C90
 Sicilian Najdorf (91) 
    B90 B92 B93 B91 B97
With the Black pieces:
 French Defense (186) 
    C05 C11 C18 C02 C03
 Ruy Lopez (127) 
    C92 C76 C69 C77 C89
 Queen's Pawn Game (97) 
    E00 A40 A46 D02 A45
 Queen's Gambit Declined (88) 
    D37 D35 D36 D31 D38
 Orthodox Defense (77) 
    D58 D55 D59 D54 D63
 Nimzo Indian (76) 
    E34 E20 E32 E41 E21
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Short vs Timman, 1991 1-0
   Short vs R Miles, 1976 1-0
   Short vs Kasparov, 1993 1-0
   Short vs Kasparov, 1993 1/2-1/2
   Short vs Gelfand, 1991 1-0
   Short vs Karpov, 1992 1-0
   Short vs Kasparov, 1993 1-0
   Short vs I Cheparinov, 2008 1-0
   M Gurevich vs Short, 1990 0-1
   Short vs Stefansson, 2002 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov-Short World Championship Match (1993)
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Gibraltar Masters (2004)
   Commonwealth Championship (2008)
   2008 Olympiad (2008)
   European Union Championships (2008)
   11th BCC Thailand Open (2011)
   Commonwealth and South African Open (2011)
   Tradewise Gibraltar (2011)
   British Championships (2011)
   Chess Olympiad (2012)
   Tradewise Gibraltar (2012)
   Edmonton International (2012)
   Tradewise Gibraltar (2013)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Match Short! by amadeus
   Short's Run by suenteus po 147
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 2) by Anatoly21
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 4) by Anatoly21
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1980-1989 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Would Like to Study these games by FLAWLESSWIN64
   Brussels Blitz 1987 by KingG
   Skelleftea World Cup 1989 by suenteus po 147
   Belfort World Cup 1988 by suenteus po 147

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NIGEL SHORT
(born Jun-01-1965) United Kingdom

[what is this?]
Nigel David Short was born in Leigh in Lancashire, the second son of Jean and David Short.

Background

A bona fide chess prodigy, Short defeated Viktor Korchnoi in a simul at the age of 10 and was the youngest ever qualifier for the British Championships at the age of 11. When he earned his International Master title at the age of 14, he was at that time the youngest ever to earn that title. When he won the Grandmaster title at the age of 19, he was the youngest GM in the world at the time. He subsequently rose to dominate English chess in the 80s and 90s following in the wake of Anthony Miles, culminating in a challenge for the World Championship in 1993.

Championships

<Age> Short was =1st in the World U16 Youth Championship held in Belfort in 1979 and participated in four World Junior Championships from 1980 to 1983. He achieved his best result during his first attempt in which he placed second to Garry Kasparov in 1980 at Dortmund.

<National> In 1977 he became the youngest ever participant in the British Chess Championship by qualifying three days before his twelfth birthday. When Nigel was 14, he tied for 1st place in the British Championship of 1979 with John Nunn and Robert Bellin, earning his first IM norm. Short won the British Chess Championship in 1984, 1987, and 1998, and the English Championship in 1991. He came =1st in the British Championships (2011) at the age of 46, but lost the tie breaker to Michael Adams.

<Commonwealth and Continental> He won the Commonwealth Championships in 2004 (7.5/9) and 2006 (9/10), the Commonwealth Championship (2008) (9.5/11) and came =1st in the Commonwealth and South African Open (2011) (7.5/9). He scored 7.5/13 in the 2nd European Individual Championship held in Ohrid in the FYROM in 2001, won the European Union Individual Championships (2006) held in Liverpool with 7.5/10, and took a share of second place in the European Individual Championship (2008).

<World> Short qualified to play in the Biel Interzonal when he placed =1st alongside Jonathan Speelman in European Zonal 1A held in Brighton in December 1984. Subsequently, in July 1985, he placed =4th at the Biel Interzonal with 10.5/18 (+6 =9 -2), holding off John Van der Wiel and Eugenio Torre in a play off for the fourth qualifying position to the Montpellier Candidates, thereby becoming Britain's first-ever candidate. Short did not win through to the semi-final Candidate Matches from the preliminary Candidates Tournament, scoring 7/15 to finish in equal tenth place, and exited the World Championship challenge at this stage. However, his participation in the Montpellier Candidates Tournament qualified Short to compete in the 1987 Subotica Interzonal in which he scored 10.5/16 to place equal first with Speelman and Gyula Sax. In the preliminary match held in Saint John in Canada in 1988, Short defeated Sax (+2=3), but then lost by 3.5-1.5 (−2=3) to Speelman in London later that year. This cycle was the last full undisputed FIDE controlled World Championship cycle until the Kramnik-Topalov World Championship Match (2006) Unification Match. During the next World Championship cycle, a last round victory over Mikhail Gurevich enabled Short to finish equal third with Viswanathan Anand, behind Vassily Ivanchuk and Boris Gelfand at the Manila Interzonal in July 1990, thereby qualifying as a Candidate for the third successive time.

In London in February 1991, he bested Speelman in the tiebreaker by 1.5-0.5 after drawing the preliminary best-of-8 match 4-4 (+2 =4 -2). He then proceeded to defeat Gelfand (+4=2–2) in the best-of-8 quarter final match played in Brussels in August 1991, and then overcame the former World Champion Anatoly Karpov by 6-4 (+4=4–2) in the best-of-10 semi-final match played in Linares in April 1992. In the best-of-14 match final held in San Lorenzo de El Escorial in January 1993, Short defeated Dutchman Jan Timman by 7.5-5.5 (+5=5–3) to earn the right to meet defending World Champion Garry Kasparov, who had successfully defended his crown three times against Karpov. According to Short and Kasparov, FIDE President Florencio Campomanes breached FIDE rules by deciding to stage the match in Manchester and to determine the prize fund without consulting them. Short and Kasparov responded by forming the Professional Chess Association (PCA) and the resulting match—sponsored by The Times newspaper—was held under the auspices of the PCA in London, from September to October 1993. Kasparov won by 12.5-7.5 (+6−1=13) in the best-of-24 match, the largest margin of victory in a world title contest since the Tal-Botvinnik World Championship Return Match (1961).

Short’s next attempt at the title remained under the auspices of the PCA. Qualifying directly for the PCA Candidates match by virtue of being the losing challenger in the match against Kasparov, Short tied 4-4 (+1 =6 -1) with Boris Gulko in the best-of-8 quarterfinal match held at the Trump Tower in New York City in July 1994, before winning 1.5-0.5 in the classically-timed tiebreaker. He then bowed out to Gata Kamsky 5.5-1.5 (+1 =1 -5) in the best-of-10 quarter final match held at the same venue. Rejoining the FIDE cycle, Short competed in its 1997 Knockout contest to determine the challenger to Karpov, the winner of the last FIDE cycle. He defeated Korchnoi 3.5-2.5 in round 2 (into which he had been directly seeded), Andrei Sokolov 2-0 in round 3, Alexander Beliavsky 3-1 in round 4 and Mikhail Krasenkow 2-0 in the quarter final before losing to Adams in the semi-final 4-3 in the sudden death tiebreaker. In the 1999 FIDE Knockout contest for the World Championship, Short, again seeded directly into round 2, beat Daniel Fridman 1.5-0.5, Beliavsky in round 3 by 1.5-0.5, before succumbing to Alexey Shirov by 1.5-0.5 in round 4. In the 2000 event, Short was unexpectedly beaten 3.5-2.5 in the tiebreaker of round 2, where he had been directly seeded, by Frenchmen Igor Alexandre Nataf. In the FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2001), Short was knocked out of the competition in round 1 when he was again unexpectedly defeated 1.5-0.5 by Argentinian GM Daniel Campora. In FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2004), Short defeated Yemeni IM Hameed Mansour Ali Kadhi 2-0 in round 1, but lost in the 2nd round to Krasenkow 1.5-0.5. Short did not contest the FIDE World Cup (2005) but participated in the World Chess Cup (2007) where he was defeated in the first round tiebreaker by David Baramidze, the last time Short contested the World Championship cycle.

Classical Tournaments

Short became the then youngest International Master in chess history, by scoring 8/15 in the Hastings Premier in 1979/80. He has finished outright first, or tied for first, in many international tournaments including Geneva (1979), the BBC Master Game (1981), Amsterdam OHRA (1982), Baku (1983), Esbjerg (1984), Wijk aan Zee (1986 and 1987), Reykjavík (1987), Amsterdam VSB (1988, 1991, 1992, and 1993), Hastings (1987/88 and 1988/89), Pärnu (1996), Groningen (1996), Tallinn/Pärnu (1998), Dhaka United Insurance (1999), Shymkent (1999), Pamplona (1999/2000), the Tan Chin Nam Cup in Beijing (2000), Sigeman and Co. Malmö (2002), Gibraltar (2003), Gibraltar Masters (2004), Hunguest Hotels Super Chess Tournament (2003), Samba Cup (2003), Skanderborg (2003), Taiyuan (2004), Politiken Cup (2006), Baku 2008, Bazna King's Tournament (2008), Sigeman & Co (2009), 11th BCC Thailand Open (2011), Thailand Open 2012 and Luanda (2011). In 2012, he came =1st with Women's World Champion Yifan Hou at Tradewise Gibraltar (2012) but won the blitz tiebreak match to take first prize. He then won the 12th Bangkok Open (2012) with a score of 8/9 and came equal 1st with Adams in the unrated Bunratty Masters (2012); however he lost to Adams in the tiebreak. Another good result was =2nd at Corus (Group B) (2009) after losing the last round game to Fabiano Caruana, who won the event by half a point. In July 2012, Short won the Edmonton International (2012) outright with 7/9 (+6 -1 =2).

In January 2013, Short again appeared on the leader board at Gibraltar, placing =1st with a score of 8/10 alongside with Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Chanda Sandipan and Nikita Vitiugov at the Tradewise Gibraltar (2013). This time the tiebreak was a knockout blitz contest between the four players, the Tradewise Gibraltar (Tiebreaks) (2013); Short eliminated Vachier-Lagrave 1.5-0.5, and then lost to Vitiugov in an epic 2-game mini match to become runner-up in the event. A few months later in April 2013, Short participated in the 13th Bangkok Chess Club Open, placing =8th (11th on tiebreak) with a score of 6.5/9 and shedding 12 ratings points.

Team play

<Club tournaments> Short’s inaugural experience in the European Club Cup was in 1988, playing for SG Solingen (Germany) which came 4th that year. He again played for that club in 1990 and 1992 winning team gold and bronze respectively. He played top board for Peristeri Athens in 1996, and board 4 in 1999 for the silver-medal winning team Agrouniverzal Zemun (Yugoslavia) that also contained Anand, Kramnik and Gelfand. In 2004, he won individual and team silver playing on board 2 for ŠK Bosna Sarajevo and again played for that team in 2007, playing board 5. He has played a total of 37 games during this period of participation in the European Club Cup, scoring +12 =21 -4 for a winning percentage of 60.8%.

<Team championships> Short played top board for the England team in the First World U16 Team Chess Championship held in Viborg in 1979, winning individual gold and leading his team to victory to take team gold. The 14 year-old won six games and drew one, pulling a performance rating of 2632 while his FIDE rating was 2210. He then went on to participate in the European and World Team Championships. His first taste of playing in the European Team Championships came in 1983 when 18 year-old IM Short played board 7 in the event held in Plovdiv, winning individual silver while his team came fourth. He played board one in 1992, 1997 and 1999, winning team and individual bronze medals in 1992 during the Debrecen event, and an individual gold in 1997 in Pula. He again played for England in 2001 and 2011, playing second board on both occasions.

Still playing for England during the World Team Championships of 1985 (on board 4), 1989 (board 1) and 1997 (board 1), each of which were played in Lucerne in Switzerland, he won individual silver in 1989 and two team bronzes in 1985 and 1989.

Short scored 8/10 in the Howard Staunton Memorial (Scheveningen Match) (2009) played between the United Kingdom and the Netherlands to help his team win the contest. He also won the Queens and Kings Match (2003) with his team mate Zhao Xue.

He also played top board for London in the World Cities Team Championship (2012) held in December 2012 in Al Ain in the United Arab Emirates. Despite his personal tally of two wins and a draw, London failed to make the cut to the round of 16.

Short has also participated in the Spanish Teams Championship, the French Top 16 League, the Bosnia and Herzegovina Team Championships, the Attica team Championship in Greece, the Chinese Premier League, and in the 4 Nations Chess League held in the UK. In 2013, he helped his team Guildford win the 4NCL.

<Olympiads> Short has represented England at every Olympiad since 1984, winning individual gold in Dubai in 1986, three team silvers (Thessaloniki 1984, Dubai 1986 and Thessaloniki 1988) and a team bronze medal (Novi Sad 1990). In his first appearance at the Thessaloniki Olympiad in 1984, Short played 2nd reserve for the silver medal-winning England team. In 1986, he played board 3, winning individual gold and team silver. He played top board for his country from 1988 until 1996, and board 2 from 1998 until 2010. He played his 15th consecutive Olympiad in Istanbul at the Chess Olympiad (2012) in August-September 2012, scoring 7.5/10 and placing 5th on board 3 overall and lifting his rating back into the 2700 group.

Matches

Short has enjoyed considerable success as a match player outside of the World Championship cycle, defeating US Champion Lev Alburt in Foxboro in 1985 by 7–1 (+6=2), Utut Adianto 4.5-1.5 (+3=3) in Jakarta in 1995, Etienne Bacrot in Albert in 2000 by 4-2 (+3=2–1), Hannes Stefansson in Reykjavík in 2002 by 4.5-1.5 (+4=1–1), Ehsan Ghaem Maghami in Tehran in 2003 by 4-2 (+2=4) and won by 3.5-2.5 (+2=3–1) in the Short-Efimenko Match (2009) held in Mukachevo in 2009. Short lost to Joel Benjamin by 2.5–1.5 at London 1983, drew with Eugenio Torre 3-3 (+1=4–1) in Manila 1988, drew with Timman (3–3) in an exhibition match at Hilversum in 1989 and drew with Anish Giri in Amsterdam in 2010 by 2-2 (+1 =2 -1). The younger generation prevailed in the Karjakin-Short Rapid match (2008) by 7.5-2.5 (Short: +2 -7 =1) played in Kiev. He narrowly lost the Kasparov-Short Blitz Match (2011) played in Belgium by 4.5-3.5 when he lost the final game. In 2012, he won the Short-Granda Match (2012) by 3.5-2.5 (+2 =2) in a rapid game exhibition match played in Lima, Peru.

Rapid

Short took first place at the Estonian Pühajärve 13. kiirmaleturniir (13th Sacred Lake Rapid Chess Tournament) in November 2012, scoring 28.5/31, 4 points clear of 2nd placed 7 times Estonian Champion GM Kaido Kulaots.

Rating and ranking

<Classical> Nigel Short has been in the world's top 100 for most of his life. He entered the top 100 in January 1983, and after briefly exiting the list in July 1983, re-entered the top 100 in January 1984, remaining there to the present time. He was in the top ten for most of the period from July 1986 until January 1997. His peak ranking was 3rd behind Karpov and Kasparov from July 1988 to July 1989 inclusive. His highest rating numerically was 2712 in April 2004 (when he was ranked 15th in the world)*. Currently (May 2013) with a rating of 2681, Short is the UK's third ranked player behind Adams and Luke McShane, and number 64 in the world; he is also the oldest player in the top 100.

<Rapid> 2711 (world #31); and

<Blitz> 2678 (world #59).

Other achievements and activities

Short has written chess columns and book reviews for the British newspapers The Sunday Times, The Daily Telegraph, the Daily Mail, The Spectator and The Guardian. He reported on the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005) in San Luis, Argentina, for the ChessBase website**. He began a new column "Short Stories" for New in Chess magazine in January 2011. He has coached Pentala Harikrishna, Sergey Karjakin, David Howell and Parimarjan Negi. He worked as national coach of the Islamic Republic of Iran from 2006–2007. His first assignment led to them unexpectedly capturing a team bronze medal at the Asian Games in Doha, Qatar, in 2006. In the nine chess events at the Asian Indoor Games in Macau 2007, Iran took a silver and two bronze medals. He has also been on numerous webcasts, a guest commentator with chessgames.com, and a live commentator for the World Championship Candidates (2013). He is also a member of chessgames.com using his own name as his userid: User: Nigel Short. In recognition of his chess accomplishments, Short was appointed MBE (Member of the British Empire)*** in 1999. He was made an Honorary Fellow of the then Bolton Institute of Higher Education in 1993 and was awarded the Honorary degree of Doctor of Science by the University of Bolton in 2010. In August 2005, he was unanimously elected Secretary General of the Commonwealth Chess Association. In June 2006 he became its President, until stepping down in January 2008. Finally, he has won tournaments in 29 different countries.****

Controversies

Short has been embroiled in some controversies, some of which are detailed in the Wikipedia article about him linked below.

Personal

He is married to Rhea Argyro Karageorgiou, a drama-therapist, and they have two children: Kyveli Aliki (b. 7 July 1991) and Nicholas Darwin (b. 18 December 1998). He is currently residing in Greece.

Sources

World Championship Index: http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/wcc.... live rating: http://www.2700chess.com; ; Nigel Short Turns 40: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...; FIDE database: http://ratings.fide.com/hist.phtml?...; The Encyclopedia of Team Chess: http://www.olimpbase.org/; * Historical ratings and rankings: http://www.schachchronik.de/ranglis...; ** The first chessbase article is: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... with the other rounds reported by Short included round by round at the following link: http://www.chessbase.com/eventlist.... *** MBE: Wikipedia article: Order of the British Empire **** http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Wikipedia article: Nigel Short


 page 1 of 97; games 1-25 of 2,402  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Short vs H Wright 1-030 1974 AthertonC30 King's Gambit Declined
2. C Frostick vs Short 0-116 1975 SCCU Junior Championships U-14C18 French, Winawer
3. Short vs J Cox 1-021 1975 LondonB07 Pirc
4. Short vs J Evans 1-072 1975 Staffordshire opB01 Scandinavian
5. Short vs B Kimber 1-017 1975 ENGC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
6. Short vs P Fenton 1-040 1975 SCCU Junior Championships U-14C78 Ruy Lopez
7. S J Hooker vs Short 0-125 1975 Enfield OpenC18 French, Winawer
8. Portisch vs Short ½-½37 1975 Simultaneous exhibitionB30 Sicilian
9. Short vs I D Wells 1-032 1975 Morecambe jrD78 Neo-Grunfeld, 6.O-O c6
10. Short vs K James 1-042 1976 Dundrum International openB22 Sicilian, Alapin
11. Short vs M Macdonald-Ross 1-027 1976 Charlton OpenC12 French, McCutcheon
12. Korchnoi vs Short 0-147 1976 London smC05 French, Tarrasch
13. Miles vs Short 1-038 1976 Charlton OpenA44 Old Benoni Defense
14. Short vs J T Farrand 1-022 1976 ManchesterD07 Queen's Gambit Declined, Chigorin Defense
15. Short vs J Benjamin 1-044 1976 London txB41 Sicilian, Kan
16. Short vs R Miles 1-025 1976 LondonB07 Pirc
17. Short vs Hartston 0-119 1976 BBC TV Master GameA32 English, Symmetrical Variation
18. Hambrook vs Short 0-121 1976 ENGC17 French, Winawer, Advance
19. Short vs G Knapton 1-015 1976 Lancashire vs Durham County MatchC77 Ruy Lopez
20. Short vs A Reid  1-060 1977 BCF-chC77 Ruy Lopez
21. B Cafferty vs Short  1-031 1977 BrightonA30 English, Symmetrical
22. Short vs A Sendur 1-032 1977 World Cadet ChampionshipB22 Sicilian, Alapin
23. T Bennett vs Short 1-024 1977 BCF-chC01 French, Exchange
24. Compx Chess 46 vs Short 0-111 1977 London m/7C32 King's Gambit Declined, Falkbeer Counter Gambit
25. Short vs D Cummings 0-129 1977 BCF-chB22 Sicilian, Alapin
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Sep-27-08  Red October: <you should not feign surprise if many people think you a Nazi. It is no different for someone using the symbol of communism, a likewise loathed and discredited creed>

again you attribute something to me that is not true,

I do not feign surprise,

communism is not a loathed and discredited creed, it may be loathed and disliked by you and others but it does not make it discredited just because you think it is

you claimed I did not answer your question but I did

you claim communism is discredited, it not anymore discredited than capitalism or the dollar or Israel

it is certainly controversial

btw in India you will often see the Swastika symbol, but not the Nazi one and it has no relation to the Nazi one in ideology

as far as I am concerned this discussion is over as it is the classic internet debate with no substance whatsover, good luck in your chess games and I do sincerely hope you enjoy your visit to India

Sep-27-08  Gildiss: Greetings Mr.Short, i have a question, what do you think of Paul Morphy and if you recommend a book about him which one could it be, thank you in advance.
Sep-27-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  nimh: <btw in India you will often see the Swastika symbol, but not the Nazi one and it has no relation to the Nazi one in ideology>

What do you think, is it ever possible that some day the noble symbol of the sun will be washed out from disgraceful connotations, and people will be again able to freely use the sybol whenever and wherever they want? Is it right to banish a symbol just because a madman thinks it is cool to use the sybol in connection with his political movement?

Sep-28-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Nigel Short: <Gildiss> Morphy is one of my favourite players. I have books on him by Loewenthal, Seargeant and Maroczy, amongst others, but if I had to chose one it would "The Pride and Sorrow of Chess" by David Lawson. The book is not that easy to find. I picked up my copy a few years ago in a specialist store in Buenos Aires and it wasn't particularly cheap, if I recall.
Sep-28-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  Nigel Short: <Red October> You appear to believe that Communism is not discredited. Perhaps you should ask some of those millions who were unfortunate enough to live under Communism in Eastern Europe for many years what they think of it.
Sep-28-08  Etienne: There is a difference between having say, a face of Marx as an avatar, and the soviet flag. The soviet flag does not represent communism, it represents a regime that has killed about 20 million people.

As for this swastika rhetoric, there is a difference between this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:... which clearly indicates nazism and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:... this one, for example.

The symbol is the same but the connotation attached to it is completely different.

Sep-28-08  angslo: <Jim Bartle: -- but I find it hilarious when people (such as Bush and McCain) blame the economic crisis in the US on those greedy Wall St. bastards. Of course they're going to be greedy! But it's Bush, McCain, Gramm etc. who took away the regulation.>

that is right . Politicians are to blame for this crisis.

"Many experts warned that the bubble would burst. These warnings were ignored by politicians, who refused to rein in the bubble-makers.

.....

Experts like Alan Greenspan had warned over the years of the risks of concentrating such huge financial power with such light regulation on Fannie and Freddie. Breaking them into smaller entities, subject to stricter regulation, was urged by many reformers. But Fannie and Freddie hired lobbyists to resist reform. Major recipients of campaign finance from employees and political action committees of Fannie and Freddie included Barak Obama ($125,000), Hilary Clinton ($75,000) and Senate Banking Committee chairman Dodd (over $165,000). "

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...

Sep-28-08  Duck McCluck: Can we please move our politics discussion to http//www.signmeupfordecap.com?

This is a chess entertainment website! Not a place for you losers in non-swing states to try to brainwash the virgin minds of the undecideds in Florida and Ohio! Shame on you warmongers!

Sep-28-08  Etienne: Are you stupid? Nigel Short himself is discussing things on his own page and you are coming and telling him to go talk about it elsewhere?
Sep-28-08  angslo: <duck> this is <nigel short> page and cg.com moderators had made it very clear that whatever conversation <nigel short> wants to have here is on topic. so sometime <nigel> discusses <cricket> here and that is on topic. sometimes he discusses <communism> and that is on topic.

JUST MY THOUGHTS.

Sep-28-08  Duck McCluck: I just think that here is a place to discuss his games and his careers--not a place for his chronies to post their hive-mind group think while opponents get banned-warnings. I will never discuss politics on this page, even if GM Short brings the discussion here. That's just my style, and I dont push everyone to follow it.
Sep-28-08  Etienne: "That's just my style, and I dont push everyone to follow it."

Why don't you simply shut up then?

Sep-28-08  Duck McCluck: Okay, I've lost track of our discussion over two pages, especially since one of the posts I replied to (for another person) they retracted and self-deleted. So, in this mess, I think I accidently responded incorrectly to the wrong person.

So sorry <etienne>, I'll finish this at the other page that we started on.

Sep-28-08  danielpi: <Nigel> Communism is not the same thing as Stalinism. One might correctly argue that the Amish, many pre-colonial Native American tribes, and West Bengal Province in India are (were) perfectly peaceful and laudable examples of communism.

I'm not a communist, incidentally. I think that the nexus between economics and politics is a foggy mess, but if pressed I'm probably most sympathetic to some form of weakly applied socialism under a democratic government. In any case, I'm certainly not an apologist for communists of any variety. I just think it's rather brash to equate communism with Stalinism, and then condemn the many apparently successful examples of communism on that basis.

West Bengal Province, incidentally, is a democratically elected Marxist state in India. It's also the oldest properly "Marxist" government in the world. Like all of India, it has its share of problems -- but it seems to be doing at least as well as neighboring provinces. You can read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_b...

Sep-28-08  angslo: <danielpi>, India was a Soviet ally for 40 odd years since it got independence in 1947 and its politicans were champions of socialism and communism. So, state run a lot of businesses in India as a result. In , 1990 (around that time, don't remember the chronology properly), India was on the brink of economic disaster. It was forced to follow the policies of privatisation and liberalisation and it started on the path of economic growth.

<LOOKS LIKE COMMUNISM IN THE SENSE OF STATE RUNNING BUSINESSES LEADS TO PENURY>

Like you said < some form of weakly applied socialism under a democratic government> seems to be the best policy.

<West Bengal> was not changing its policies and as a result economy was bad. Now, communist party of West Bengal wants to industralise the state and wooing private investors. TATA started a plant to produce cars there but they are now pulling out (and other major investors and business who had declared their intention of setting up industries in West Bengal are also changing plans) because of the culture in West Bengal - labour problems and similar things. Chief Minister (in India it is Chief Minister like it is Governor in USA states) of West Bengal is trying hard to save the situation but things look bad.

<LOOKS LIKE COMMUNISM IN THE SENSE OF STATE RUNNING BUSINESSES LEADS TO PENURY>

Like you said < some form of weakly applied socialism under a democratic government> seems to be the best policy.

Sep-28-08  Etienne: Danielpi, the fact that the government is communist doesn't mean that the political or economical system is.

Also, to make conclusions based on an example from India, there is much to know about India in the first place, as things don't work at all the same way as most "modern" countries.

Sep-28-08  danielpi: <angslo><Etienne>

I wasn't asserting the merits or defects of communism. I was just pointing out that Soviet Stalinism was a particular form of communism -- to which there are a variety of alternative forms. Some of them don't seem to take on many of the defects of Stalinism. They may have other defects. I don't presume to know the answer to the overarching question of whether communism is a "failure". I would agree tentatively that Stalinism seems to have "failed". To state that generally about communism would (I think) require a detailed case-by-case assessment of the various (and presumably less totalitarian) forms of communism.

I'm just concerned that the terminology is being properly employed here. <Nigel> seemed to bulldoze over the distinction between Stalinism and communism -- as do many people. Again, I do want to make it clear that I don't particularly care for Stalinism or communism generally. I just think it's important to be accurate with words.

Sep-28-08  Gildiss: Thank you for book suggestion Mr.Short, Morphy is also one of my preferred players.And by the way, as far as i seen on playchess, you are one of the top players there to truly vary on his style of play, or in other words, to play different positions even from the opening, which i personally do sometimes.Many grandmasters try to manage the positional compensations derived of delivered material, and even at 3 min you do excellent on this. Greetings.
Sep-28-08  Jole: I heard that there was a post deleted here - what's with that?
Sep-29-08
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  Nigel Short: <Jole> What? You mean that anonymous individuals aren't just allowed to write any abusive or mendacious crap they want? That's really bad...
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  Octavia: <Politicians are to blame for this crisis.> its always easy to blame others! Although politicians are corrupt, it doesn't mean that YOU have to support them. The only way to withdraw your support is by working part time & therefore withholding the bit from them which they're so fond of : money in the form of taxes.

Nigel, you tried to compare East&West Germany. its not fair! WestG was supported by the US & had money thrown at them (they didn't want to make the same mistake they'd made after worldwarI), which resulted in the wirtschaftswunder. EastG on the other hand was taxed heavily by the UsssR all the time. I spent my childhood in EastG & when i got to teenage years, we had lots of discussions. We were informed about our corrupt governors & knew all about WestG. When i got to the other side, the teenagers had no interest in politics & were totally ignorant about life in EastG.

I'm pleased to go to the Olympiad as a press officer for 2 days! Hope to see you there.

Sep-29-08  Etienne: " its always easy to blame others! Although politicians are corrupt, it doesn't mean that YOU have to support them. The only way to withdraw your support is by working part time & therefore withholding the bit from them which they're so fond of : money in the form of taxes."

Whattt?

You sound as if taxes go in politician's pockets... The way not to support politicians is working part-time... well never heard that one, quite exotic and... hum original? (although not very smart)

Sep-29-08
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <Octavia>

<Nigel, you tried to compare East&West Germany. its not fair! WestG was supported by the US & had money thrown at them (they didn't want to make the same mistake they'd made after worldwarI), which resulted in the wirtschaftswunder. EastG on the other hand was taxed heavily by the UsssR all the time.>

It's not fair to compare the ramifications of the political ideologies of the US and the Soviet Union in post war Germany because its two regions were treated differently... by those same two countries?

I could see such an objection being raised if he had said something like "West Germany was much better at football than East Germany"- although of course that is also obviously a completely true statement.

Sep-29-08  Etienne: Well it is not the US that "treated West Germany" but the allied countries of the west. As for East Germany, the Soviets opted for a method like that of WW1, that is to put the country on the ground. That's why they dismantled most factories to rebuild them elsewhere in the Soviet Union, for example. Thus the Soviet treatment of East Germany does not represent the treatment of the rest of the Soviet Union, although this is not a defense of the Soviet Union, it was still quite crappy in the rest of the Soviet Union too...
Sep-29-08  Duck McCluck: Agreed, all tax money does is reduce borrowing. The equation goes... Gov Spending = Gov revenue + borrowing. When you scam your taxes, you don't decrease spending! You just increasing public debt.
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