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|Nov-30-11|| ||ChessMan94: @TheFocus There's nothing wrong with that! I say they look better.|
|Nov-30-11|| ||swissfed: Pretty Polgar|
|Nov-30-11|| ||HeMateMe: <http://www.google.com/imgres?q=stev...>|
|Dec-07-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: ChessMan94 and swissfed - I agree, although I prefer pictures of Judit where she's not quite so dolled up. I think she's a very attractive woman without all that glamerous make-up and whatnot. Some of my favorite pics of her came from the recent World Cup ... I kind of wish her profile pic came from that tournament rather than the current glamour shot her profile has now (although, of course, I won't deny she looks stunning in it, I just prefer her more natural look). If I could choose her profile pic, I'd vote either one of the following:
although my favorite picture of Judit is probably her 1994 Linares pic with her smiley-face signature :)
|Dec-07-11|| ||HeMateMe: My fave Judit photos are older ones, when she was thinner, and seemed to smile more. She just looks brooding and unhappy a lot, at these chess tournaments. Of course, I would look brooding too, if Kramnik was trying to take my lunch money...|
Also, she wasn't afraid to say that Fischer was a jerk, while he was still alive, which I kind of admire.
|Dec-07-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: @HeMateMe - If you're looking at OTB tournament photos, you won't see many smiling pictures period, of Judit or anyone else. When you think about it, very few chessplayers actually smile when at the board. Judit is smiling in a lot of the recent World Cup photos - just not during the actual games. |
Regarding Fischer, I think she was pretty magnanimous toward him, myself, when she called him "mentally sick" in an interview. I thought that let him off the hook a little too easy. IMO, he didn't go sick, he just went mean. But, she called a spade a spade, and she did it without being petty or mean. I thought she was pretty classy when it came to discussions about Fischer.
|Dec-07-11|| ||HeMateMe: Re: chess photos--the worst has to be the opening ceremonies, when the players all have to stand, shoulder to shoulder, at the front of the stage. They always look miserable. Almost all of these photos look like a promo for "The usual Suspects" film.|
|Dec-08-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: What would you say Judit Polgar's best success is? |
- Being a FIDE Top 10 grandmaster?
- Setting the record for being the youngest grandmaster?
- One of her tournament victories (maybe Madrid, 1994?)?
- Her 1988 Olympiad performance where she scored 12.5/13?
- Being a national champion in 1991?
What are everbody's thoughts on this?
I think I'd give my vote to being a FIDE Top 10 GM, and my second vote would go to her becoming the 1991 Hungarian National Champion. But what does everyone else think? And are there other career highlights you'd suggest that I didn't list?
|Dec-08-11|| ||bronkenstein: <IoftheHungarianTiger> , my take on Judit`s greatest achievements:|
1) She is (twice!) a mother =)
2) and for second spot I would have hard time choosing between <Setting the record for being the youngest grandmaster> and <Being a FIDE Top 10 grandmaster>.
|Dec-08-11|| ||dunkenchess: Long live GM Judit Polgar!|
|Dec-08-11|| ||Kaspablanca: bronkenstein: I supose he meant her best sucess in her chess career althought he didnt specify.|
|Dec-08-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: @Kaspablanca - Thank you for the clarification ... that was what I had intended to ask, but you are correct, I did fail to specify that important detail :)|
@bronkenstein - Thank you for reminding us that Judit's achievements go beyond her chess career! Taking that into account, I would also have to suggest in addition to motherhood - which you mentioned, that her marriage (which seems quite happy and stable) is another fine success in her life! :)
|Dec-08-11|| ||bronkenstein: No need for clarification in any way <Kaspablanca> and <IoftheHungarianTiger> OFC , the question is perfectly clear , just don`t mind my silliness B)|
Also , interesting (and also kinda impressive) fact is that she gave birth(s) in 2004 (Olivér) and 2006(Hana) while her rating peaked exactly in between - 2005 , maybe the marriage and kids have the opposite effect on females ? Anyway Judit coped with it excellently it seems.
|Dec-08-11|| ||Caissanist: In 2005 she did OK in her first two tournaments back after a year and a half layoff, and gained a few rating points. Then she got massacred in the FIDE world championship at the end of the year--I remember that at the time Susan said she missed her baby badly while she was in San Luis. Whatever the other benefits of having children, it doesn't look like it was good for her chess.|
|Dec-09-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: <Bronkenstein>: That is an interesting detail I hadn't really considered before. I'm marginally familiar with the theories on marriage/kids effect on ratings, but personally, I suspect the timing of her rating peak to which you pointed speaks positively of her happiness and stability of her home life with her husband and children.|
|Dec-09-11|| ||bronkenstein: Indeed , she had some tough times there , but the very participation was great success for her (and <female chess> in general although I know Judit fights against separating terms of that kind ). I don`t believe that having or not having baby would change much in that case , the field was simply very strong .|
OFC , we can only speculate.
|Dec-09-11|| ||bronkenstein: Previous post was OFC reply to <Caissanist> , it was the last one on the page @ the moment I was typing , sorry <IoftheHungarianTiger> for dropping that out . Too much traffic today on this silent page I guess =)|
|Dec-10-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: Well, whether it helped or hurt her chess, it didn't stop her from etching out her place in chess history. Broke Fischer's long-standing record for being youngest GM, a national championship title, Olympic medalist in chess, FIDE Top 10 - all impressive stuff.|
Here's another question for everybody, does anyone here think Polgar will work her way back into the Top 20? I believe she's #35 now, and jumped 14 spots from being #49 on the list before that. To add to that, regardless of rank, what do you think her chances are of topping her peak rating?
|Dec-10-11|| ||bronkenstein: She is only 25 Elo below that (on live that is), her chances of reaching it again @ some point in the next few years are reasonable.|
|Dec-10-11|| ||twinlark: But that was when she was ranked number 8. To reach that rank now she'd have to increase her Elo to 2763. Ratings are less meaningful than rankings, seeing as ratings are relative measures.|
|Dec-10-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: @twinlark - Yeah, I don't expect a return to the Top 10 for her. That's why I suggested the Top 20 (which I think is possible) and Peak Rating (which I also think is possible) as two different ideas. I think if I were to ask if we think she'll return to #8, most of us would have to agree that it is unlikely.|
It's kind of funny that you describe ratings as more relative, because I always sort of thought of it the other way around (I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying it's sort of funny how we look at it differently). I'd agree that Rankings are more important, but conversely have always felt that Rankings were more relative because they depended on outside factors, such as how everyone else was doing (e.g. - you could enter the Top 10 by not playing all, or playing badly, if others did even worse). But, I'm no expert in how the ratings work, so perhaps you are right. I hear a lot about rating inflation and whatnot, but haven't ever studied the math behind it.
|Dec-13-11|| ||Caissanist: Basically, any stability the rating system has is artificial, added in by the custodians of the system to try to keep things stable. Over time, a rating system with constant rating points with deflate, since players tend to be much better when they stop playing than when they were started. The statistical people in charge try to fix that through things like "bonus points" for rapidly improving players, "curve points" for players are not distributed according to the statistical norm, and so on. This fiddling around can cause inflation, leading to a perceived increase in playing strength over a period of time. Personally, I'm not buying it, many chess players (notably Nigel Short) have acknowedged that their actual peaks came well before their rating peaks.|
|Dec-13-11|| ||Caissanist: UI don't think that any of us has a clue about what will happen to Judit's playing strength over the next few years, including Judit herself. There are a lot of profound differences in how men and women age, so you can't really compare her to any man. There has never been any other woman who was a legitimate world championship contender, so you can't compare her to another woman either. |
My personal guess is that she will show extremely inconsistent results over the next ten years, but at her best will be as good/better than ever. She could easily return to the top twenty, might make it to the top ten.
|Dec-15-11|| ||twinlark: <Caissanist> Interesting comments. I can't see her back in intensive competition until her kids are a few years older, regardless of Gustav's willingess to play Mr Mum. I suspect the comparative lack of match fitness caused by periodic absences from the circuit will contribute more to her notionally likely erratic results than ageing at this stage. |
Whether she can effectively re-enter top flight competition on a consistent basis in her 40s will be of great interest.
I hope she can. The chess world needs her.
|Dec-22-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: I recently learned that "Chess Kids," a documentary about young chess players is out on DVD after being unavailable for awhile. Has anyone seen this film? I ask because I'm a big Polgar fan, and I understand Judit is featured in the documentary.|
I was wondering if others - preferably Judit Polgar fans - had seen the film and had any thoughts on it, specifically in relation to her.
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