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Kramnik 
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Vladimir Kramnik
Number of games in database: 2,525
Years covered: 1984 to 2014
Last FIDE rating: 2760 (2773 rapid, 2757 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2811
Overall record: +471 -139 =849 (61.4%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      1066 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (118) 
    A15 A17 A14 A13 A10
 Sicilian (109) 
    B33 B30 B90 B52 B58
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E94 E92 E81 E86
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D12 D19
 Queen's Gambit Declined (94) 
    D37 D38 D39 D31 D30
 Grunfeld (78) 
    D85 D70 D87 D86 D82
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (256) 
    B33 B30 B31 B65 B57
 Ruy Lopez (112) 
    C67 C65 C88 C78 C84
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Semi-Slav (100) 
    D45 D47 D43 D44 D46
 Queen's Gambit Declined (82) 
    D37 D38 D39 D30 D35
 Nimzo Indian (73) 
    E32 E21 E34 E46 E58
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 1/2-1/2
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov - Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Tilburg Fontys (1997)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   Cap D'Agde FRA (2003)
   Wijk aan Zee Hoogovens (1998)
   Dortmund (2011)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Azerbaijan vs the World (2009)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2009)
   Linares (1997)
   13th Amber Blindfold (2004)
   Astana (2001)
   Dortmund (2013)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010)
   World Cup (2013)
   Russian Superfinals (2013)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kramnik - My Life and Games by jakaiden
   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   English: Vladimir Kramnik Collection by chess.master
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG
   Vladimir Kramnik - Immortal masterpieces by Karpova
   Some interesting games by Kramnik by fgh
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Volodya versus Vesko by Resignation Trap
   Kramnik with Berlin Wall by tesasembiring by tesasembiring
   Kramnik & Carlsen play the Catalan by suenteus po 147
   Book of Samurai's favorite games 6 by Book of Samurai
   Kramnik g3 by Jason Harris

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 39 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000 he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov and then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. He relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991 he won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> He was =1st in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed 2nd on tiebreak behind Andrei Kharlov. He was =3rd in the Russian Superfinals (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for =1st and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9, placing =3rd.

<World> Kramnik’s early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1˝-4˝, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3˝-4˝. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3˝-5˝ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. In 2000 Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov for the World Championship in London by the score of 8˝ to 6˝ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had been beaten in a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <”He is the hardest player to beat in the world.”>

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2˝ -1˝ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4˝ to 6˝ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Chess Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vassily Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guarantees qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would likely qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vassily Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund (2007), Dortmund (2009) and Dortmund (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in XX Ciudad de Linares (2003) (shared) and 21st Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8˝ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Bilbao Masters (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until 37th Chess Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Chess Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Chess Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Chess Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the FIDE World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik does not appear to have played in the Russian or any other national league, his sole club representations being in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, and in 2005. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team that won silver in 1999. His only participation in the ECC since then was a single season in 1995 playing for NAO Paris, which won bronze.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2˝:1˝.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14˝/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15˝/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3˝:2˝, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7.

Ratings

<Classical> In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), Kramnik became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. Kramnik became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010. He is the second of only six chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen and Aronian). Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

Currently (November 2014), he has a rating of 2760, (Russian #3, world #11);

<Rapid> 2773 (world #13); and

<Blitz> 2757 (world #13).

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter’s successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion’s successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Wijk aan Zee (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Latest update 13 Nov 2014


 page 1 of 101; games 1-25 of 2,525  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. A Oganian vs Kramnik 0-131 1984 BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
2. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-031 1984 BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-152 1985 KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov  1-038 1986 BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-149 1986 Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-018 1987 Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-125 1987 URS-chT U16A52 Budapest Gambit
8. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-034 1987 GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
9. Kramnik vs A Chumachenko 1-032 1987 GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-137 1987 USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
11. Kramnik vs Danislian  ½-½60 1988 Dimitrovgrad U18B15 Caro-Kann
12. Y Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-042 1988 USSRB40 Sicilian
13. G Kallai vs Kramnik ½-½22 1989 Sochi (Russia)A81 Dutch
14. Kramnik vs I Efimov ½-½34 1989 It (open)B33 Sicilian
15. Kramnik vs Gheorghiu ½-½9 1989 Cup World (open)B56 Sicilian
16. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-037 1989 Sochi (Russia)B33 Sicilian
17. Yurtaev vs Kramnik 0-174 1989 MoscowB30 Sicilian
18. Kramnik vs Y Yakovich 1-035 1989 It (open)C50 Giuoco Piano
19. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½12 1989 Sochi (Russia)A85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
20. Sakaev vs Kramnik 1-021 1989 Ch URSA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
21. L Basin vs Kramnik ½-½49 1989 It (open)A87 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation
22. Kramnik vs Campora  ½-½26 1989 Cup World (open)C50 Giuoco Piano
23. Kramnik vs A N Panchenko ½-½60 1989 Sochi (Russia)B58 Sicilian
24. Kramnik vs G Kuzmin ½-½42 1989 World Cup ( open )C55 Two Knights Defense
25. Kramnik vs B Taborov  ½-½35 1989 It (open)B06 Robatsch
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Feb-18-08
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  suenteus po 147: Well, if Kramnik beats Anand, then he still has to face the winner of Kamsky/Topalov, which will be a rematch worth of icing on a very big championship cake.
Feb-18-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  notyetagm: <you vs yourself: His match record since 2000 has been mind boggling.>

Huh? He -drew- Leko and beat Topalov by one game.

If that is mind-boggling, then what do you call Fischer beating Taimanov and Larsen by a combined score of <12-0>?

Feb-19-08  brankat: <notyetagm> <..then what do you call Fischer beating Taimanov and Larsen by a combined score of <12-0>?>

An aberration. Or, an excessive use of force. Mostly unnecessary :-)

Btw, You forgot 12.5-8.5 vs. B.Spassky.

Feb-19-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  notyetagm: <brankat: <notyetagm> <..then what do you call Fischer beating Taimanov and Larsen by a combined score of <12-0>?> An aberration. Or, an excessive use of force. Mostly unnecessary :-)

Btw, You forgot 12.5-8.5 vs. B.Spassky.>

I also left out beating the "unbeatable" Iron Tigran Petrosian 5-1 in decisive games.

It is said that Russian chess fans did not what century they were in after Petrosian lost 4(!) games in a row to Fischer. They were confused because they had always believed that Petrosian was so unbeatable that he lost back-to-back games only once a century. :-)

Could you imagine beating Kramnik four games in a row in a match? That is the comparable accomplishment that Fischer achieved in his match against Petrosian.

To give you an idea of Petrosian's invincibility, Petrosian's career Olympiad record in 10 Olympiads was <+79 =50 -1>. That's right, in 130 chess Olympiad games Petrosian lost only -one- game, to Huebner at the 1972 Skopje Olympiad (Huebner vs Petrosian, 1972) on time due to a faulty clock in a dead drawn position!

This is the "invincible" player that Fischer beat four games out of four(!!!) to end their 1971 match.

Feb-19-08  you vs yourself: <notyetagm> Fischer had a different playing philosophy. But Kramnik makes his style work too. Whether it's 2-0 or 3-2, a win is a win. Besides, the players Kramnik beat or drew were close to him in strength whereas Fischer outrated everyone by over 100 points.

Fischer's peak was very impressive; he probably had the most dominant run in modern chess. I don't think overall Kramnik would rank over Fischer, Kasparov and Karpov but his match record as the WC is as good as any. Not because of the score but the players he beat.

Feb-19-08  percyblakeney: <I don't think overall Kramnik would rank over Fischer, Kasparov and Karpov but his match record as the WC is as good as any>

It sure isn't bad, even if he only played two matches as World Champion, against Leko and Topalov. Definitely better than Fischer since he didn't play, and for example Spassky, Tal, Smyslov...

Feb-20-08  brankat: <notyetagm> I posted on Petrosian's page this remarkable Olympic stats You had provided. There are now some additional anecdotal comments there regarding the Skopje 1972 Chess Olympiad.
Feb-20-08  Hesam7: <There's also an interesting interview with Spanish Linares organizer Francisco (Paco) Fernández Albalate, who explains the reason they split the event with Morelia in 2006. "When Kasparov retired the Linares tournament ran the risk of becoming just another tournament. With Kasparov's absence there was a vacuum and it was as if our tournament had become an orphan, as if it had been decapitated. There are many very strong players but none with the prestige of Kasparov." Albalate, who deeply involved in contracting the players, also talks about when and how they choose whom to invite. He laments that they couldn't invite Kamsky, who was in such great form at the end of 2007, because they'd already sent out all the invites.

About Kramnik not being there again: "He's played in Linares many times and in fact won it, but lately we haven't been able to come to an agreement with him for reasons that are difficult to explain since they are belong to the confidential negotiations between the parties. But we will keep trying to get him to return to play. He's one of the best players in the world, but he's not irreplaceable." He went on to answer a question saying he didn't think it had anything to do with Topalov's presence. He added that he was sure the event would continue. He deflected, at length, a question about whether or not the event would be back in Morelia.> -- Mig Greengard

Feb-20-08  chessmoron: Fischer is definitely not the greatest champion compare to Kramnik by a mile. But Fischer is the greatest chess player and Kramnik still has a bit to proof.
Feb-20-08  Petrosianic: Fischer was the worst champion. With 0 victories, it doesn't come any lower.

But as far as who was the better <challenger>, Fischer beats Kramnik pretty handily. Fischer was the top rated player in the world as challenger, while Kramnik was #2. Fischer had one of the most impressive short-term runs of all time in his drive to the title match, while Kramnik played no qualifiers at all for his title shot, and in fact had lost a candidates match fairly recently before that. Probably no challenger other than (possibly) Capablanca generated as much interest as Fischer did.

Feb-20-08  brankat: Mikhail Tal had an astounding run from 1957 to 1960.

-- 1957. USSR Championship (up till then the time the youngest Soviet Champ)

-- 1958. USSR Ch. again

-- 1958 Winning the Portoroz Interzonal.

-- 1959. Winning a very strong tournament in Zurich.

-- 1959. Winning the Candidates tournament

-- 1960. Winning the WC Title, the youngest WC up until then.

I don't think any other run compares to Tal's.

Feb-20-08  ughaibu: Why doesn't Fischer's record as a challenger include his losses in 1959 and 1962? And what about the nonsense in 1967? I dont think it's clear that he was a better challenger than Kramnik, for one thing, look at how much older Fischer was, there was 14 years between him qualifying for an interzonal and challenging for the title.
Feb-21-08  brankat: <ughaibu> You just had to spoil it :-)
Feb-21-08  Hesam7: <“At the Superfinal in Russia I had a lot of long games so I decided to take some rest in January. And regarding Morelia/Linares, it’s different. Having experienced all “flavors” last year, games on different continents, in different time zones and climate conditions, I started to dislike this “splitting”. A long flight, and only a three-day break before starting the second half, is not good for my internal rhythm, tone, dynamics. Incidentally, as far as I know, Kramnik and Mamedyarov hold the same opinion.”> -- Alexander Morozevich
Feb-21-08  positionalgenius: <Hesam7> Interesting quote
Feb-22-08
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  notyetagm: <brankat: Mikhail Tal had an astounding run from 1957 to 1960. -- 1957. USSR Championship (up till then the time the youngest Soviet Champ)

-- 1958. USSR Ch. again

-- 1958 Winning the Portoroz Interzonal.

-- 1959. Winning a very strong tournament in Zurich.

-- 1959. Winning the Candidates tournament

-- 1960. Winning the WC Title, the youngest WC up until then.

I don't think any other run compares to Tal's.>

Fischer

-- won 1970 Herceg Novi World Blitz Championship by going 17-1(!!!) in decisive games, a 4 1/2(!!!) margin

-- won strong 1970 Buenos Aires tournament by 3 1/2(!) points

-- won 1970 Palma de Mallorca interzonal by 3 1/2(!) points

-- beat Taimanov 6-0(!) in 1971 Candidates Match

-- beat Larsen 6-0(!) in 1971 Candidates Match

-- beat Petrosian 5-1 in decisive games, including 4 wins in a row(!) in 1971 Candidates Match

-- defeated Spassky 6-2 in decisive games to become World Champion in 1972

Simply unbelievable domination by 1970-72 Fischer. He was the complete player. He would beat you with White, he would beat you with Black, he would launch crushing mating attacks (Larsen vs Fischer, 1971: KID mating attack out of nowhere), he would grind you down in the endgame (Fischer vs Taimanov, 1971: greatest bishop versus knight endgame of all time), etc.

Feb-22-08  whatthefat: <-- defeated Spassky 6-2 in decisive games to become World Champion in 1972>

7-3 going by Fischer-Spassky World Championship Match (1972). Not that it really matters.

Feb-22-08  Petrosianic: <Why doesn't Fischer's record as a challenger include his losses in 1959 and 1962?>

Because he <wasn't> the challenger in those years, only a Candidate.

If you want to compare Kramnik 2000 against Fischer 1959, I'd have no idea how to do it. Fischer didn't get a title shot at all, and Kramnik did, but played no games to do so. How do you compare that?

<And what about the nonsense in 1967? I dont think it's clear that he was a better challenger than Kramnik,>

Fischer wasn't a better challenger in 1967, he was in 1972. Things change. Just like Kramnik was a much better challenger in 2000 than he would have been in 1994.

<for one thing, look at how much older Fischer was, there was 14 years between him qualifying for an interzonal and challenging for the title.>

Fischer took 14 years to win a Candidates, Kramnik never won one at all. Again, it seems impossible to compare.

It would be easier to compare Fischer to someone like Karpov or Tal, who won the Candidates on their first try, and very impressively, but not <as> impressively as Fischer did on his 4th try. Then we can compare the whole "Speed of Development" vs. "Domination of Opposition" question.

Feb-22-08  ughaibu: Okay, Kramnik losing a candidates match is irrelevant, in that case. It's also difficult to see why Fischer is the worst champion for not playing but is unpenalised, as a challenger, when refusing to mount a challenge, (1964 and 1967).
Feb-22-08
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  keypusher: <brankat> Not sure how they compare to Tal or Fischer, but here are other great runs:

Lasker 1896-1900

Won St. Petersburg over Steinitz, Pillsbury and Chigorin

Won Nuremburg over pretty much every leading player in the world

Beat Steinitz 10-2 (with a few draws) in rematch

Won London 1899 by 4 1/2 over all leading players in the world except Tarrasch

Won Paris 1900 with 13 wins, one loss, one draw.

Capablanca 1918-1922

Won New York 1918 undefeated

Won Hastings 1919 undefeated

Beat Kostich 5-0 with no draws

Beat Lasker 4-0 with ten draws

Won London 1922 undefeated over all leading players except Lasker

Alekhine 1927-32

Beat Capablanca 6-3 with 25 draws

Clobbered Bogoljubov

Won San Remo with 13 wins and 2 draws

Won Bled by five points or so

Won Berne

Botvinnik 1943-1948

won Sverdlosk

won USSR championship 1944

won USSR championship 1945 with something like 15 wins and four draws

won Groningen

won Chigorin Memorial

won world championship tourney by a lot

You could say Kasparov had a great run from 1982-2000. I think he was particularly dominant in 1988-1990 and again in 1999.

Karpov rarely ran away with tournaments, but he did have an amazing success rate from the early 70s through the early 80s.

Feb-22-08
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  keypusher: <notyetagm> Fischer also won Rovinj-Zagreb by 2 in 1970. Ease up on the exclamation points.
Feb-22-08  pubaer: The people who are calling kramnik one of the best if he beats anand are absolutely ridicilous. Im betting they are just saying this stuff to piss off the people who deeply dislike kramnik.

Kramnik did not beat leko or topalov in a classical match. He managed to draw leko in their very last game. He lost to shirov, to adams and to kamsky. He is not one of the best of all times, he is not even the best in his own time.

The only achievement of his is beating kasparov in a match in which he did not even qualify to be in to begin with. If we apply that standard, we should also include max euwe who won against aljechin among the top best players, which he clearly was not.

Kramnik is the Euwe of our time, and no amount of idiotic cheerleading will ever change that fact.

Lets see kramnik qulaify for a championshp match.
He couldnt win the world cup(lost to adams), could not qualify via candidate matches(shirov and kamsky killed him).

A world champion is someone who defeats all the other players (via world cup or candidate matches) and goes to finals and defeats the incumbent to become the champion. The first part of that road is jsut as important as the second part. If fischer would have just been hand picked by spasski for a match and won, his title would have seriously doubted. Who would have believed that he was better than petrosian? or larsen or taimanov?

Could you imagine if fischer would have lost to petrosian in 1971 and still got a title shot and won against spasski? Would he have been considered a real champ?

if the incumbent just picks his own opponent, that would make a mockery of the title. Then we get phony champs like euwe or kramnik.

But of course, these kind of consideration and logic do not bother our kramnik fans. Anything to piss off real chess fans.
Not only shamelessly calling him WC but also going so far as to say that he is one of the best of all time.

Shame on you!!

Feb-22-08  slomarko: <pubaer> kudos to you for your excellent post. i'd just like to add that i remember reading an interview with Ivanchuk a couple of years after the Kasparov-Kramnik match and when he was asked what does he think of Kramnik he replied: "Kramnik is a monkey".
Feb-22-08  you vs yourself: <interview with Ivanchuk a couple of years after the Kasparov-Kramnik match and when he was asked what does he think of Kramnik he replied: "Kramnik is a monkey".> Is this really true? lol

BTW, <slomarko> you have Kramnik as one of the best in your profile and here you're applauding pubaer for comparing him to Euwe. Explain?

Feb-22-08
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <Im betting they are just saying this stuff to piss off the people who deeply dislike kramnik.>

Strange, this notion that people who like Kramnik spend time thinking up ways to irritate people who don't. You overestimate your own importance, <pubaer>.

Euwe was a deserving challenger in 1935, actually. All pre-FIDE challengers were handpicked, but nevertheless were recognized if they beat the champion. Far be it from me to interrupt the millionth iteration of the Kramnik flamewar, though. Carry on.

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