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Kramnik 
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Vladimir Kramnik
Number of games in database: 2,495
Years covered: 1984 to 2014
Last FIDE rating: 2760 (2773 rapid, 2757 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2811
Overall record: +469 -139 =843 (61.4%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      1044 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (117) 
    A15 A17 A14 A13 A10
 Sicilian (109) 
    B33 B30 B90 B52 B58
 King's Indian (106) 
    E97 E94 E92 E81 E86
 Slav (98) 
    D17 D15 D11 D12 D19
 Queen's Gambit Declined (94) 
    D37 D38 D39 D31 D30
 Grunfeld (76) 
    D85 D70 D87 D86 D82
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (256) 
    B33 B30 B31 B65 B57
 Ruy Lopez (110) 
    C67 C65 C88 C78 C84
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Semi-Slav (100) 
    D45 D47 D43 D44 D46
 Queen's Gambit Declined (79) 
    D37 D38 D39 D30 D31
 Nimzo Indian (73) 
    E32 E21 E34 E46 E54
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 1/2-1/2
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2001 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov - Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Tilburg Fontys (1997)
   Wijk aan Zee Hoogovens (1998)
   Cap D'Agde FRA (2003)
   Azerbaijan vs the World (2009)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Dortmund (2011)
   Linares (1997)
   13th Amber Blindfold (2004)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2009)
   Dortmund (2013)
   World Cup (2013)
   Wijk aan Zee (2003)
   37th Chess Olympiad (2006)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kramnik - My Life and Games by jakaiden
   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   English: Vladimir Kramnik Collection by chess.master
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG
   Vladimir Kramnik - Immortal masterpieces by Karpova
   Some interesting games by Kramnik by fgh
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Volodya versus Vesko by Resignation Trap
   Kramnik with Berlin Wall by tesasembiring by tesasembiring
   Kramnik & Carlsen play the Catalan by suenteus po 147
   Book of Samurai's favorite games 6 by Book of Samurai
   Kramnik g3 by Jason Harris

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975, 39 years old) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
[what is this?]
Former World Champion Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000 he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov and then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. He relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991 he won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> He was =1st in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed 2nd on tiebreak behind Andrei Kharlov. He was =3rd in the Russian Superfinals (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for =1st and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9, placing =3rd.

<World> Kramnik’s early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1˝-4˝, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3˝-4˝. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3˝-5˝ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. In 2000 Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov for the World Championship in London by the score of 8˝ to 6˝ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had been beaten in a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <”He is the hardest player to beat in the world.”>

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2˝ -1˝ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4˝ to 6˝ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Chess Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vassily Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guarantees qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would likely qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vassily Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund (2007), Dortmund (2009) and Dortmund (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in XX Ciudad de Linares (2003) (shared) and 21st Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8˝ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Bilbao Masters (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until 37th Chess Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Chess Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Chess Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Chess Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the FIDE World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik does not appear to have played in the Russian or any other national league, his sole club representations being in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, and in 2005. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team that won silver in 1999. His only participation in the ECC since then was a single season in 1995 playing for NAO Paris, which won bronze.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2˝:1˝.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14˝/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15˝/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3˝:2˝, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7.

Ratings

<Classical> In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), Kramnik became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. Kramnik became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010. He is the second of only six chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen and Aronian). Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

Currently (September 2014), he has a rating of 2760, (Russian #3, world #10);

<Rapid> 2773 (world #13); and

<Blitz> 2757 (world #13).

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter’s successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion’s successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Wijk aan Zee (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik


 page 1 of 100; games 1-25 of 2,495  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. A Oganian vs Kramnik 0-131 1984 BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
2. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-031 1984 BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-152 1985 KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov  1-038 1986 BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-149 1986 Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-018 1987 Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-034 1987 GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
8. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-125 1987 URS-chT U16A52 Budapest Gambit
9. Kramnik vs A Chumachenko 1-032 1987 GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-137 1987 USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
11. Y Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-042 1988 USSRB40 Sicilian
12. Kramnik vs Danislian  ½-½60 1988 Dimitrovgrad U18B15 Caro-Kann
13. V Arbakov vs Kramnik 0-173 1989 It (open)A87 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation
14. R Dautov vs Kramnik 1-036 1989 Cup World (open)A81 Dutch
15. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½47 1989 Sochi (Russia)B58 Sicilian
16. Kramnik vs Huzman ½-½10 1989 It (open)C01 French, Exchange
17. Miles vs Kramnik 1-041 1989 Cup World (open)A04 Reti Opening
18. Kramnik vs G Tunik 0-138 1989 Sochi (Russia)B46 Sicilian, Taimanov Variation
19. M Sorokin vs Kramnik ½-½52 1989 USSRA81 Dutch
20. M Tataev vs Kramnik 0-121 1989 It (open)A81 Dutch
21. Khenkin vs Kramnik ½-½17 1989 Sochi (Russia)D39 Queen's Gambit Declined, Ragozin, Vienna Variation
22. Kramnik vs Gorelov ½-½18 1989 It (open)B33 Sicilian
23. Kramnik vs Lputian  ½-½52 1989 World Cup (Open)C07 French, Tarrasch
24. Kramnik vs R Shcherbakov ½-½35 1989 Sochi (Russia)B58 Sicilian
25. Kramnik vs Anand ½-½19 1989 Moskva 13/565C53 Giuoco Piano
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Apr-01-09
Premium Chessgames Member
  SatelliteDan: Does golf or tennis find it necessary to have special events to crown a World Champion?
Apr-01-09
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  notyetagm: <SatelliteDan: Does golf or tennis find it necessary to have special events to crown a World Champion?>

I have often felt that in an era in which the top players meet *frequently* (Corus, Linares, M-Tel, Dortmund, Bilbao, Pearl Spring, Amber, etc.) that attaining the World #1 ranking is a *tremendous* accomplishment of a similar stature as being the WC.

Back in the old days how often did tournaments occur which featured Lasker and Pillsbury? Steinitz and Lasker? Once a year? Every two years?

<SatelliteDan: Does golf or tennis find it necessary to have special events to crown a World Champion?>

Yes. This whole chess "WC thing" does begin to look out-dated.

Apr-01-09
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  SatelliteDan: Also by the way, the world # 1 tennis or golf player at some point in time was the world # 100. So each of these players had to earn that ranking over time.
Apr-01-09  Pawnsgambit: Combining all 3 formats (KO, Double round robin tournament and a match) is an ideal solution.

1. Start with top 64 FIDE rated player and arrange a 3 round KO.

2. Arrange a double round robin tournament with remaining 8 players.

3. Arrange a 12 game match between the top 2 players.

It is so simple and all the top 64 players will get the chance to become a WC every year.

Apr-01-09
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  amadeus: <3. Arrange a 12 game match between the top 2 players>

Draw odds to the winner of the tournament, I guess.

Anyway, forget simple or logical formulas, we are talking about Kirsan. He'll probably create 24-games matches in the first round, followed by a blitz KO and (finally) a round robin 'tournament' between the 2 remaining players.

The winner plays against a wild card.

Apr-01-09
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <Dogulysses: Actually, if you take the average rating position of all the active players over the last decade then Anand and Kramnik are more than first among equals. Topalov is up there also b/c of 2005 and after.>

But at the very least, during those 10 years they were always about equal to each other- and were behind Kasparov in many ways before 2005.

Apr-01-09  whatthefat: <keypusher: <whatthefat> Thanks, very interesting. I wonder if it would get smaller with a larger sample size? Or is that a statistically ignorant question?>

It shouldn't really depend sample size, assuming the numbers are drawn from the same statistical distribution each time, since the standard deviation is essentially a description of how wide that distribution is. With a greater sample size we should just get a better estimate of the standard deviation.

A related measure that you may be thinking of is the standard error of the mean, which is defined as the standard deviation divided by the square root of the sample size. It is essentially a measure of how certainly we know the position of the mean of the distribution, which would improve with more measurements (i.e., as sqrt(n) in the denominator gets bigger).

Apr-01-09  Pawnsgambit: <amadeus: <3. Arrange a 12 game match between the top 2 players> Draw odds to the winner of the tournament, I guess.

Anyway, forget simple or logical formulas, we are talking about Kirsan.>

We need democracy in FIDE. When will there be an election to select FIDE president and board members. Autocracy is killing chess.

Apr-01-09  grkoste: Set No,

Kramnik prevailed in 2000. Anand won the chess oscar in 2003 and 2004. Kasparov played in (and tied for first) in one event in 2005.

Apr-02-09  Dogulysses: set No,

I'm sorry, I meant to say current active players. I wasn't including Kasparov.

Apr-02-09
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  visayanbraindoctor: For reasons given in my profile, I regard Anand as the World Champion since he won the 2007 WC tournament; but certainly, there are people who disagree and regard him as becoming champion only after he beat the previous champion Kramnik in a one-on-one WC Match.

Any other format apart from a WC match weakens or devalues the institution of the World Championship Title. Or to put it in another way, the reason why we ALL know and agree that Anand is the present Chess World Champion is that he beat Kramnik in a WC Match in Bonn. People may disagree that Anand was champion in 2007, but AFTER beating Kramnik in a WC match in 2008, no one would now disagree that Anand is the undisputed chess world champion.

Similarly, if Topalov beats Anand in their upcoming WC match, EVERYONE will regard him as the undisputed chess world champion. Winning San Luis while the man who beat Kasparov in a WC Match was/is still active did not give GM Topalov the status as the undisputed world champion of chess, although everyone would agree that he was a FIDE champion. Topalov has to beat the world champion in a one-on-one WC match in order to convince every body that he is the undisputed world champion of chess.

As far as all of the chess world is concerned, everyone agrees that Kasparov, Kramnik, and Anand were/are chess world champions. But a whole lot of people do not even know who GM Khalifman is (no offense intended), especially in non-European countries.

The moment the chessworld abandons the format of the World Championship Match is the moment when the door to multiple champions or questionable champions will commence opening. The Title of Chess World Champion will eventually lose most of its meaning, just as a boxing 'world champion' title has lost its old meaning and status.

Regarding choosing the Challenger, the old zonals - interzonals - candidates matches/ tournaments is the best tried and tested format. As soon as this present cycle is completed, FIDE ought to reinstall that format.

Apr-02-09
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  talisman: <v b doctor> well said. i really like the last part about the interzonals.remember, the candidates matches use to be the candidates tournament.this change (probably because of fischer complaining) had an Effect. "tournament" players like tal got hurt, and "match" players got helped. i'd be fine with either.
Apr-02-09  Woody Wood Pusher: A World Champion should be the player who loses his qualification match and gets a shot at the title through a back door, and then goes on to beat the current massively out of form title holder and spends the next few years running and whining like a whipped dog away from a rematch.

Looks like Drawnik was WC after all.

Apr-02-09
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <grkoste: Set No,

Kramnik prevailed in 2000. Anand won the chess oscar in 2003 and 2004. Kasparov played in (and tied for first) in one event in 2005.>

Sure; and those facts, taken along with the reality of the world rankings and tournament results in those years (not to mention the Kramnik-Leko match), provide more evidence that Kramnik and Anand, at different times, could have been considered "first among equals". They never really exceeded that. <Dogulysses> presented evidence that he feels shows that they did. I just disagree.

Apr-02-09
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <Dogulysses: set No,

I'm sorry, I meant to say current active players. I wasn't including Kasparov.>

Well, then I certainly agree. I think most people would say that for many years prior to 2005, there was Kasparov at one level, and then Kramnik and Anand, and then everybody else. At different times, Kramnik and Anand might have risen to, or even slightly surpassed, Kasparov's level. Maybe. And when Kramnik was sick he dropped down for a bit. But no other player was really able to reach the second tier that they defined (although maybe a case could be made for Leko). For obvious reasons, in 2005 that long-standing pecking order was dismantled.

Apr-02-09
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  amadeus: <whatthefat>, I have done the same calculations (Nominal Rating vs Rating Performance), but using the data from the last 14 years of Linares and Wijk aan Zee tournaments. The results were not much different: a standard deviation of 60-55 Elo points. (if only I were able to find my worksheets on this damn computer)

On a different point, and as a curiosity only, here is the mean Rating of some top players ( SD) from a couple of FIDE's Rating Lists - fwiw.

FIDE's January Lists over the last 4 years (2006-2009)

Anand: 2790 08
Topalov: 2790 10
Kramnik: 2766 24
Ivanchuk: 2752 21
Morozevich: 2750 23
Leko: 2748 06
Aronian: 2746 06
Svidler: 2742 22

FIDE's January Lists over the last 10 years (2000-2009):

Kasparov: 2833 19
Anand: 2778 16
Kramnik: 2774 24
Topalov: 2755 34
Morozevich: 2738 26
Leko: 2738 14
Shirov: 2728 17
Ivanchuk: 2728 25
Adams: 2728 14
Svidler: 2721 33

Apr-02-09
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  alexmagnus: But the question is justified,why to have a world champion at all? What is so special about the world champion? IMO nothing. It's just one match... Or one qualification to that match.
Apr-02-09
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  alexmagnus: And was Euwe not kind of the "Khalifman of the match format"?
Apr-02-09  returnoftheking: <why to have a world champion at all?> gives me some motivation to continue improving my game. Euwe was not a bad tournament player either btw, for some time he probably was the nr 1 or 2 in the world -something you can't say of Khalifman
Apr-02-09
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  alexmagnus: Khalifman was somewhere around 7-10th in the world at his best.
Apr-02-09  whatthefat: <amadeus>

Great data, that's really interesting.

Apr-02-09  Gambyt: The world champion had alot more meaning when there were fewer mega-stars and the difference between the world champion and the #2 was significant.

Now, the difference is a couple of rating points and sometimes not even that, and there are more like a dozen who are close enough to the top.

But still, someone has to occupy the top spot, by some means, and thats the champ. It gives the chessworld someone to talk about, like "Hey, can Kramnik become the champ again, or is he washed up?"

Apr-02-09  kamalakanta: I have to say, I really like Vladimir Kramnik.

Reading an interview in which he talks about all the World Champions, from Steinitz to Kasparov, I am impressed by his humility, depth of understanding and openness.

This is the link to the interview. In my opinion, he is a very good human being and an extraordinary chess player.

That some people choose to bash him and insult him is almost beyond my comprehension, except for the existence of jealousy.

http://www.kramnik.com/eng/intervie...

Apr-02-09  frogbert: whatthefat, amadeus

whatthefat wondered if i'd considered adding some notion of sd to the live rating site.

it certainly would be a good thing to have some kind of such measure - and i've discussed the topic loosely on my player page some time ago, not in the context of the live ratings, but in general.

unlike what some people have alluded at (previously), i clearly don't think that differences of some tenths of a point are significant for anything at all. on the contrary, i typically say that for a game or a specific event differences of up to 30-40 points shouldn't be considered very significant.

in my opinion, seeing how someone's "rating" really changes continously (not as much as performances, of course), as can be seen on liverating.org, should in fact <help> people to understand that ratings are less definitive than the impression one gets from fide's "random" snapshots, previously done only twice a year - now it's 4 and soon it'll be 6. that ratings are reported with one decimal, is just a matter of convenience - between lists, all calculations are done at that level and i see no big point in rounding the ratings for every update. additionally, not doing so, makes actual gain/loss per game(s) played visible to those who wonder about that.

but adding some measure of how "trustworthy" the rating is for each player, typically based on individual variation in performance and/or rating, is something i'm in principle interested in doing. i feel that activity level somehow should be added to the mix, too.

if the two of you (whatthefat, amadeus) or anyone else have suggestions of different ways to do this, we could discuss it in my player page - it's a bit off topic on kramnik's page. all kinds of input are appreciated.

[i'm copying this post there, too]

Apr-03-09
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  SatelliteDan: What's a player page? I s that the same thing as game collections?
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