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Vladimir Kramnik
Number of games in database: 2,771
Years covered: 1984 to 2016
Last FIDE rating: 2801 (2799 rapid, 2817 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2811
Overall record: +510 -148 =891 (61.7%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      1222 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

With the White pieces:
 English (132) 
    A15 A17 A14 A13 A10
 Sicilian (111) 
    B33 B30 B90 B52 B58
 King's Indian (105) 
    E97 E92 E94 E81 E86
 Slav (99) 
    D17 D15 D11 D12 D19
 Queen's Gambit Declined (96) 
    D37 D38 D31 D39 D30
 Grunfeld (86) 
    D85 D70 D78 D91 D87
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (256) 
    B33 B30 B31 B65 B57
 Ruy Lopez (155) 
    C67 C65 C88 C78 C95
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Semi-Slav (101) 
    D45 D43 D47 D44 D46
 Queen's Gambit Declined (100) 
    D37 D38 D35 D39 D30
 Nimzo Indian (74) 
    E32 E21 E34 E46 E54
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006 0-1
   Ivanchuk vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov - Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Hoogovens (1998)
   Cap D'Agde FRA (2003)
   Azerbaijan vs the World (2009)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   Dortmund (2011)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Linares (1997)
   13th Amber Blindfold (2004)
   Dortmund (2013)
   World Cup (2013)
   Tilburg Fontys (1997)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2009)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010)
   Qatar Masters (2014)
   Chess Olympiad (2016)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kramnik - My Life and Games by jakaiden
   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   Power Chess - Kramnik by Anatoly21
   English: Vladimir Kramnik Collection by chess.master
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG
   Vladimir Kramnik - Immortal masterpieces by Karpova
   Some interesting games by Kramnik by fgh
   Volodya versus Vesko by Resignation Trap
   Move by Move - Kramnik (Lakdawala) by Qindarka
   Vladimir, the Conqueror by Gottschalk
   K Players by fredthebear
   Kramnik with Berlin Wall by tesasembiring by tesasembiring
   The QGD/Slav/Semi-Slav by Zhbugnoimt

   Aronian vs Kramnik (Oct-01-16) 1/2-1/2
   Kramnik vs Anand (Sep-30-16) 1-0
   I Nepomniachtchi vs Kramnik (Sep-29-16) 1-0
   Kramnik vs Li Chao (Sep-27-16) 1/2-1/2
   Svidler vs Kramnik (Sep-26-16) 1/2-1/2

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(born Jun-25-1975, 41 years old) Russia
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Former World Champion Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000 he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov and then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. He relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.


<Age> In 1991 he won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> He was =1st in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed 2nd on tiebreak behind Andrei Kharlov. He was =3rd in the Russian Superfinals (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for =1st and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9, placing =3rd.

<World> Kramnik’s early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1˝-4˝, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3˝-4˝. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3˝-5˝ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. In 2000 Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov for the World Championship in London by the score of 8˝ to 6˝ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had lost a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <”He is the hardest player to beat in the world.”>

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2˝ -1˝ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4˝ to 6˝ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Chess Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vassily Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guarantees qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

He qualified by rating to play in the World Cup (2015) where he met and defeated Peruvian Deysi Estela Cori Tello and Cuban GM Lazaro Bruzon Batista in the first two rounds to advance to the third round where he lost to Dmitry Andreikin in the first set of rapid game tiebreakers, thereby bowing out of the event.


Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vassily Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund (2007), Dortmund (2009) and Dortmund (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in XX Ciudad de Linares (2003) (shared) and 21st Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8˝ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Bilbao Masters (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%. In November 2014, Kramnik competed at the category 20 Petrosian Memorial (2014), and was outright second behind Alexander Grischuk with 4.5/7, signalling a mild return to form after a slump that saw him exit the world's top 10 for the first time since he entered the top 10 in January 1993. There followed 2nd at the powerful Qatar Masters (2014), with 7/9, and =1st at the London Chess Classic (2014).

2015 saw Kramnik starting his competitive year by placing outright 3rd behind the winner Anand and runner-up Hikaru Nakamura, ahead of Sergey Karjakin, Levon Aronian and Fabiano Caruana respectively, in the standard section of the RR category 22 Zurich Chess Challenge (2015). He won the final section of the Zurich event, namely the Zurich Chess Challenge (Rapid) (2015), but the added points were insufficient to give him the overall lead and he finished with 3rd prize behind Nakamura and Anand respectively. A relatively poor performance at the Gashimov Memorial (2015) where he scored only 4/9 was followed by a solid performance at the Russian Premier League 2015 (see below) and a below average 3.5/7 for fourth place at the annual Dortmund (2015).

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until 37th Chess Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Chess Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Chess Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal. At the Chess Olympiad (2014), he again played board 1 for Russia.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the FIDE World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Until Kramnik participated in the 2015 Russian Premier League, he does not appear to have played in the Russian or any other national league, his sole club representations being in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, and in 2005. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team that won silver in 1999. His only participation in the ECC since then was a single season in 1995 playing for NAO Paris, which won bronze.

At the 2015 Russian Premier League, Kramnik played board 1 for Siberia Novosibirsk, winning silver for that board. His effort also helped his team to win gold.


In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2˝:1˝.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4).


Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14˝/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15˝/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3˝:2˝, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7. In tandem with the London Classic 2014, Kramnik came =1st in the blitz event and =3rd in the rapid play open.


Kramnik entered the top 100 in January 1992 and has remained there since that time. He rose rapidly in the rankings such that a year later in January 1993, he entered the top 10 where he has been ensconced since, apart from a few months in 2014. Yet during that time he made it to world #1 in only two rating periods.

In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), He became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. He became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010.

Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

In July 1993 soon after his 18th birthday, he crossed 2700 for the first time and has remained in the 2700+ rating ever since. In April 2001, he became the second of only eight chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen, Aronian, Caruana and Grischuk). Kramnik's highest standard rating to date is 2811 achieved in May 2013 when he was ranked #3 in the world.


In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter’s successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion’s successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website:; Biography:; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011:; Live rating:; *; Wikipedia article: Kramnik

Latest update 19 September 2015

 page 1 of 111; games 1-25 of 2,772  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-031 1984 BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganyan vs Kramnik 0-131 1984 BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-152 1985 KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov  1-038 1986 BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-149 1986 Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. Kramnik vs A Chjumachenko 1-032 1987 GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
7. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-137 1987 USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
8. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-125 1987 URS-chT U16A52 Budapest Gambit
9. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-018 1987 Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-034 1987 GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
11. Kramnik vs Danislian  ½-½60 1988 Dimitrovgrad U18B15 Caro-Kann
12. Y Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-042 1988 USSRB40 Sicilian
13. Kramnik vs Huzman ½-½10 1989 It (open)C01 French, Exchange
14. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-037 1989 Sochi (Russia)B33 Sicilian
15. R Dautov vs Kramnik 1-036 1989 Cup World (open)A81 Dutch
16. G Zaichik vs Kramnik 0-140 1989 MoskvaA80 Dutch
17. A Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-140 1989 Sochi (Russia)B00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
18. Kramnik vs Gorelov ½-½18 1989 It (open)B33 Sicilian
19. Kramnik vs A N Panchenko ½-½60 1989 Sochi (Russia)B58 Sicilian
20. M Tataev vs Kramnik 0-121 1989 It (open)A81 Dutch
21. Sakaev vs Kramnik 1-021 1989 Ch URSA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
22. Yurtaev vs Kramnik 0-174 1989 MoscowB30 Sicilian
23. Miles vs Kramnik 1-041 1989 Cup World (open)A04 Reti Opening
24. Kramnik vs I Efimov ½-½34 1989 It (open)B33 Sicilian
25. Kramnik vs A Grosar ½-½47 1989 Sochi (Russia)B58 Sicilian
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  Shams: <A fair question, and one so obvious that we could blame the questioner as much as Kramnik.>

We could? How's that? I assume Kramnik's response was transcribed in full.

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Kramnik on Kasparov in January 2005:

"Of course he is a great player and I have great respect for him. He is a fantastic player, a huge name and the public likes him very much and justifiably so, but this is the world championship, not some private business. Peter Leko won the Candidates. He deserved to play a match. I beat Garry and now I have won this match and deserve to be World Champion."

Kramnik had just drawn Brissago 2004 against Leko to retain the Classical Title but "now I have won this match" instead. That's galling.

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  Shams: <tpstar> Clearly his gallbladder is hypertrophied and needs to be removed, eh Doc?
Nov-10-10  rapidcitychess: <tpstar>

I would consider it victory if I beat him like this too:

Kramnik vs Leko, 2004

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  Shams: <rapidcitychess> A very nice win but it has nothing on Leko's crush in the Marshall a few games before:

Kramnik vs Leko, 2004

Black's play has more exclams than an indignant Lindsay Lohan tweet.

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  visayanbraindoctor: <rapidcitychess> You are new here aren't you? If you would scroll back several pages, you would see a lot of Kramnik bashing. Now that <Shams> has started this new round, expect more Kramnik bashers to come out of the woodwork.

This is the full question and answer:

<One of Magnus’ reasons for his refusal is that the World Champion has privileges. In your opinion is it fair that Anand will be lying in wait for the winner of the selection, or should he enter the battle for the title at an early stage?

That’s a matter of the system. I consider it normal, as after all it’s been like that for more than a century: the World Champion plays in the final, and you have to get through a selection to play him, and then beat him. I don’t see any problems there. Previously there were rematches, and still more privileges. Before it was obligatory to beat the World Champion, as if there was a draw he retained the title. When I played Kasparov he almost had a point advantage, while now there are tie-breaks. In actual fact the privileges are being reduced and perhaps now they’re the least they’ve been in the whole history of chess. That’s why it seems to me that the current situation is entirely normal.>

Kramnik was replying in a general way that he thinks that the traditional institution of the World Championship Match is OK with him, and that right now, the World Champion has less privileges since the retain-the-title-if-match-is-tied rule has been removed. I fail to see why his not mentioning his match with Leko is lying as he was simply answering the question. If he were asked to elaborate, then he would have to say that he had this privilege in his WC match against Leko, but that the same privilege was gone in his WC match with Topalov, and remains gone to this day.

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  Shams: <visay> For the record I don't consider myself a "Kramnik basher".
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  visayanbraindoctor: <"Of course he is a great player and I have great respect for him. He is a fantastic player, a huge name and the public likes him very much and justifiably so, but this is the world championship, not some private business. Peter Leko won the Candidates. He deserved to play a match. I beat Garry and now I have won this match and deserve to be World Champion.">

<rapidcitychess: <tpstar>

I would consider it victory if I beat him like this too..>

And Kramnik did make a mistake in the technical phrasing of his reply, but one must take this in the context that he snatched the loss of his Title from the jaws of defeat at the very last game, and this must have felt like an I-just-beat-the-world victory to him. Of course he knew the match was a tie, but he felt like he had joyously won and so expressed it that way. We make similar hyperbolic utterances of joy in our daily speeches, and only people who hate us would tell us we are lying.

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  Shams: <Kramnik was replying in a general way that he thinks that the traditional institution of the World Championship Match is OK with him, and that right now, the World Champion has less privileges since the retain-the-title-if-match-is-tied rule has been removed. I fail to see why his not mentioning his match with Leko is lying as he was simply answering the question.>

Who said he was lying? I specifically said that he wasn't lying. I realize perfectly that Kramnik was replying "in a general way" to a question about the WCC but nevertheless telling only part of the story, the part that redounds to one's credit, but omitting the part wherein one enjoyed the same privilege as one's erstwhile opponent is misrepresentation. Not lying, but neither particularly honorable. I find it galling. Nevertheless I am willing to account for the possibility of omissions or subtleties lost in translation.

Nov-10-10  rapidcitychess: <visayanbraindocter:<rapidcitychess> You are new here aren't you?>

Trust me, I know. Bilbao, Anand-Topalov....

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  Shams: <and only people who hate us would tell us we are lying.> <I fail to see why his not mentioning his match with Leko is lying>

Look up lying and then get back to us. And it's good to know that when the hordes of Kramnik BASHERS storm the gates, you'll be here in full plate mail to cross swords with them.

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  visayanbraindoctor: <Shams> Look up your posts yourself and it's difficult to say that you are not bashing Kramnik. On the other hand, if what you say is true, that you are not a Kramnik basher, then you must be bashing his defense of the traditional institutionalized World Championship Match. We already know that what you want is to turn its rules into that of tennis, thereby destroying it. If so, I totally disagree with you in this.
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  acirce: <Look up your posts yourself and it's difficult to say that you are not bashing Kramnik. On the other hand, if what you say is true, that you are not a Kramnik basher, then you must be bashing his defense of the traditional institutionalized World Championship Match.>

You're not this stupid.

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  visayanbraindoctor: <acirce> Look up <Shams'> post on the World Championship Match and tennis in the Carlsen page. If you really think I am stupid, just say 'You are stupid.'
Nov-10-10  Akavall: <Shams> I am not sure why you are bothered by this line:

<<When I played Kasparov he almost had a point advantage, while now there are tie-breaks.>>

Kramnik is just talking about how the format of the World Championship matches changed. I don't see why he should've mentioned the match with Leko. And why would Kramnik try to avoid this subject anyway? There is nothing wrong with having draw odds, and there is nothing wrong with defending the title this way. Yes, Kramnik had a privilege, but it was a privilege that every world champion up to that point enjoyed, so there is nothing at all to be ashamed of. It seems that the reason Kramnik didn't mention the Leko match is that it wasn't pertinent to the matter at hand.

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  acirce: <If you really think I am stupid, just say 'You are stupid.'>

I don't. That's why I said you aren't. But stop acting as if you were.

Nov-10-10  e4d4: Would you accept Leko as champ even if he couldn't beat Kramnik? It is for the challenger to beat the champ
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  visayanbraindoctor: <acirce> Are you aware of <Shams> advocacy, to adopt tennis rules for the chess World Championship Match? I disagree with it. So does Kramnik. <Shams> attacked that passage from the interview, and I assumed he was bashing Kramnik. But he says he is not. So I have assumed that what he really is attacking his Kramnik's defense of the World Championship Match, to which he disagrees with. There is no stupidity in that; what we have is a difference in opinion.
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <We could? How's that? I assume Kramnik's response was transcribed in full.>

I meant for not asking the obvious follow up question.

Nov-10-10  Hesam7: <tpstar: Kramnik had just drawn Brissago 2004 against Leko to retain the Classical Title but "now I have won this match" instead. That's galling.>

Oh my god! You are right! Shame on Kramnik for saying he won the match because he retained his title ... wait ... is not that why he is saying that?

Nov-10-10  Petrosianic: It's why he's saying it, but it's still not an accurate statement.
Nov-10-10  Hesam7: <Petrosianic: It's why he's saying it, but it's still not an accurate statement.>

How do you know? Have you read the Brissago contract? Maybe there it said that in case of a tie Kramnik will be declared 'winner' of the match.

Putting that point aside I think anyone understood what he meant and those who try to pretend otherwise are basically trolling here.

Nov-10-10  Petrosianic: <How do you know? Have you read the Brissago contract? Maybe there it said that in case of a tie Kramnik will be declared 'winner' of the match.>

It reminds me of that old story atributed to Lincoln (but who really knows?). Quesion: If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? Answer: 4. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one.

Same principle here. The statement that he won the match is not accurate, even if we all agree to pretend that it is. He did win the <title>, which is probably what he meant to say.

Nov-10-10  Kinghunt: Here's an interesting thing to think about. How many games has Kramnik lost in his life where he's played the Catalan as white? According to this database, 0.
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  Shams: <visay> I actually quite like Kramnik, the person. He is genial and classy and complimentary of others' play. At times I have shared in the frustration that he doesn't seem to be as ambitious with the black pieces as he could, but that is neither here nor there.

Also neither here nor there (nor really anywhere-- you are grasping at straws) is my personal opinion that high level chess would be better served if we scrapped the notion of an incumbent "champion" to begin with. I consider it archaic and to some degree anticompetitive. (Champions and challengers alike save their ammo, where I would like to see them go great guns in every supertournament.)

Across other sports there aren't many analogs yet those sports don't seem to suffer from, well, the lack of an incumbent (as opposed to "reigning, but having to re-earn the next cycle") champion. I am aware that I am in the minority with this opinion. Chess fans seem pretty united in the opinion that something would be lost if we were to depart from the traditional format of having an incumbent "champion", though I have yet to hear what that is, at least in an answer that doesn't beg the question, i.e. offer something along the lines of "because it's tradition."

I'm not at all sure how my opinion on this matter is supposed to make me biased against Kramnik. You are being silly. I am not a fanboy nor a basher of any player, although I think Danailov is slimy and I fault Topalov at times for the association.

If you're keen to prosecute this "Shams is a Kramnik basher" meme I certainly encourage you to avail yourself of the "search kibitzing" feature and find all these instances where I have bashed him. As this is my, let me check, 4,804th post on this site surely some of these bashing posts exist. Otherwise, I'll just consider your silence a retraction.

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