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Kramnik 
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Vladimir Kramnik
Number of games in database: 2,487
Years covered: 1984 to 2014
Last FIDE rating: 2777 (2773 rapid, 2757 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2811
Overall record: +465 -137 =841 (61.4%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      1044 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 English (117) 
    A15 A17 A14 A13 A10
 Sicilian (109) 
    B33 B30 B90 B52 B58
 King's Indian (105) 
    E97 E92 E94 E81 E86
 Slav (98) 
    D17 D15 D11 D12 D19
 Queen's Gambit Declined (92) 
    D37 D38 D31 D39 D30
 Grunfeld (76) 
    D85 D70 D87 D86 D82
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (256) 
    B33 B30 B31 B65 B57
 Ruy Lopez (110) 
    C67 C65 C88 C78 C84
 Petrov (102) 
    C42 C43
 Semi-Slav (100) 
    D45 D47 D43 D44 D46
 Queen's Gambit Declined (77) 
    D37 D38 D39 D30 D31
 Nimzo Indian (73) 
    E32 E21 E34 E46 E54
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kramnik vs Leko, 2004 1-0
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 1-0
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1996 0-1
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2000 1-0
   Kramnik vs Morozevich, 2007 1-0
   Leko vs Kramnik, 2004 1/2-1/2
   Topalov vs Kramnik, 2006 0-1
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 2001 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Kasparov - Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)
   Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004)
   Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Horgen (1995)
   Wijk aan Zee Hoogovens (1998)
   Dortmund Sparkassen (2004)
   Tal Memorial (2007)
   Cap D'Agde FRA (2003)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   Dortmund (2011)
   Azerbaijan vs the World (2009)
   Linares (1997)
   Tilburg Fontys (1997)
   13th Amber Blindfold (2004)
   World Cup (2013)
   Dortmund (2013)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2009)
   Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2010)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Kramnik - My Life and Games by jakaiden
   Match Kramnik! by amadeus
   Kramnik on a King Hunt & vs the World Champions by visayanbraindoctor
   English: Vladimir Kramnik Collection by chess.master
   Vladimir Kramnik's Best Games by KingG
   Vladimir Kramnik - Immortal masterpieces by Karpova
   Some interesting games by Kramnik by fgh
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 2000-2010 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   Volodya versus Vesko by Resignation Trap
   Kramnik with Berlin Wall by tesasembiring by tesasembiring
   Kramnik & Carlsen play the Catalan by suenteus po 147
   Book of Samurai's favorite games 6 by Book of Samurai
   Kramnik g3 by Jason Harris

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VLADIMIR KRAMNIK
(born Jun-25-1975) Russia
PRONUNCIATION:
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Former World Champion Vladimir Borisovich Kramnik was born in Tuapse, on the shores of the Black Sea, on June 25, 1975. As a child, Vladimir Kramnik studied in the chess school established by Mikhail Botvinnik. In 2000 he won the Classical World Championship from Garry Kasparov and then won the unified title when he defeated Veselin Topalov in 2006 to become the 14th undisputed World Champion. He relinquished the title in 2007 to his successor, the 15th undisputed (and now former) World Champion, Viswanathan Anand.

Championships

<Age> In 1991 he won the World Under 18 Championship in Guarapuava, Brazil.

<National> He was =1st in the 1990 RSFSR (Russian) Championship in Kuibyshev, Russia, but placed 2nd on tiebreak behind Andrei Kharlov. He was =3rd in the Russian Superfinals (2013) after a last round battle with Ian Nepomniachtchi for =1st and the possibility of the title for the first time. However, he lost the game and scored 5.5/9, placing =3rd.

<World> Kramnik’s early attempts at storming the citadel of the World Championship met with mixed results. In 1994, he lost a Candidates quarter finals match for the PCA championship to Gata Kamsky by 1˝-4˝, and a few months later he lost a Candidates semi-finals match for the FIDE championship to Boris Gelfand by 3˝-4˝. In 1998, Kramnik was defeated by Alexey Shirov by 3˝-5˝ in the Candidates match held in Cazorla to determine the right to play Garry Kasparov for the Classical World Chess Championship. In 1999, Kramnik lost in the quarterfinals of the FIDE knockout championship in Las Vegas to Michael Adams by 2-4, including the 4 game rapid play-off.

Although Shirov had defeated Kramnik for the right to challenge Kasparov, suitable sponsorship was not found for a Kasparov-Shirov match, and it never took place. In 2000, however, sponsorship became available for a Kasparov-Kramnik match instead. This meant that Kramnik was the first player since 1935 - when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger - to play a world championship match without qualifying. In 2000 Kramnik reached the pinnacle by defeating long-time champion Kasparov for the World Championship in London by the score of 8˝ to 6˝ (+2 =13 -0) without losing a game, becoming the next Classical World Champion in the line that started from Wilhelm Steinitz. It was the first time since the Lasker - Capablanca World Championship Match (1921) that the defending champion had lost a match without winning a game and it was also the first time Kasparov had been beaten in a World Championship match. Kasparov said of Kramnik that: <”He is the hardest player to beat in the world.”>

In 2004, Kramnik successfully defended his title as Classical World Chess Champion against challenger Peter Leko at Brissago, Switzerland, by drawing the Kramnik - Leko World Championship Match (2004) in the last game. Lékó was leading the 14-game match until the final game, which Kramnik won, thus forcing a 7 - 7 draw and ensuring that Kramnik remained world champion. Because of the drawn result, the prize fund of 1 million Swiss francs was split between the two players.

Kramnik refused to participate at the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2005), but indicated his willingness to play a match against the winner to unify the world championship. His next title defence in 2006, therefore, was a reunification match with the new FIDE world title holder from the 2005 tournament, Veselin Topalov. The $1 million Kramnik - Topalov World Championship Match (2006) was played in Elista, Kalmykia from September 21 to October 13 and after controversially forfeiting the fifth game, Kramnik won the rapid game playoff by 2˝ -1˝ after the classical games were tied 6-6, thereby becoming the first undisputed unified World Chess Champion since the 1993 split. In the following year, Kramnik lost the unified world title when he finished second to Viswanathan Anand at the Mexico City FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007). In October 2008, Kramnik exercised his entitlement to a rematch as a challenger to World Champion Anand in Bonn, Germany, but lost the Anand - Kramnik World Championship Match (2008) match by 4˝ to 6˝ (+1 =7 -3).

Kramnik's tournament performances in 2009 (see below) raised his rating (average of July 2009 and January 2010 ratings) sufficiently to qualify him for the World Championship Candidates (2011). In the first round he beat Teimour Radjabov by the narrowest of margins*: after tieing the classical games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 =4 -0), he won the blitz playoff by 2.5-1.5 (+2 =1 -1) to move to the semi final match against Alexander Grischuk, which he lost 1.5-0.5 (=1 -1) in the blitz tiebreaker after he drew the classical games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) and the rapid games 2-2 (+0 -0 =4), thereby eliminating him from the contest. Participating in the World Championship Candidates (2013) on the basis of his rating, Kramnik came =1st with Magnus Carlsen on 8.5/13 after both lost their last round games. As the first tiebreaker (individual score against the other player in the tournament) left them level, the second tiebreaker (greater number of wins in the tournament) relegated Kramnik to second place due to scoring four wins to Carlsen's five.

Kramnik was seeded directly into the World Chess Championship Candidates (2014), as he met the pre-condition that he participate in the World Cup (2013). During the Cup, he defeated Zambian IM Gillan Bwalya in the first round, compatriot GM Mikhail Kobalia in the second round, Ukrainian GM Alexander Areshchenko in the third round, veteran Ukrainian GM and twice former Candidate Vassily Ivanchuk in the Round of 16 (round four), his third Ukrainian opponent in the shape of GM Anton Korobov in the quarter final (round five), one of the wildcards of the event, French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave match in the semi final (round 6) before defeating compatriot GM Dmitry Andreikin in the final by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3). His win also guarantees qualification in the World Cup 2015, although he would likely qualify by rating alone. At the Candidates in March 2014, he placed 3rd with 7/14 behind Anand and Karjakin.

Tournaments

Kramnik won Chalkidiki 1992 with 7.5/11, and in 1993, he played in Linares, finishing fifth and defeating the then world number three, Vassily Ivanchuk. Following some solid results in the interim which resulted in him winning the 1994 PCA Intel Grand Prix, major tournament triumphs were soon to follow, such as Dortmund 1995, Horgen 1995, Belgrade 1995, =1st in Dos Hermanas in 1996 and 1997, =1st in Tilburg 1997 (8/11). Dortmund became a favourite stop, as Kramnik has gone on to win nine more times in 1996, 1997, 1998, 2000, 2001, Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), Dortmund (2007), Dortmund (2009) and Dortmund (2011), as either equal or clear first; in the 2011 edition of the event he won by 1.5 points despite losing in the last round. In 2000, Kramnik won his first Linares tournament, completing his set of victories in all three of chess' "triple crown" events: Corus, Linares, and Dortmund. Kramnik later captured additional Linares victories in XX Ciudad de Linares (2003) (shared) and 21st Linares (2004) (outright). He won the Tal Memorial (2007) with 6.5/9, 1.5 ahead of Shirov. Kramnik had exceptionally good results in 2009, winning once again in Dortmund and then winning the Category 21 (average ELO = 2763) Tal Memorial (2009) in Moscow with 6/9 and a TPR of 2883. At the time, the average ELO rating of the field made it the strongest tournament in history. He also participated in the London Chess Classic (2009) in December, finishing second to Magnus Carlsen. These magnificent results qualified him for the 2011 Candidates on the basis of his boosted ratings. Kramnik began 2010 at Corus (2010) in the Netherlands, during which he defeated new world number-one Carlsen with the Black pieces in their head-to-head encounter, ending Carlsen's 36-match unbeaten streak. A late loss to Anand knocked him out of first place, and Kramnik finished with 8/13, tying for second place with Shirov behind Carlsen's 8˝ points. He came 2nd in the preliminary Shanghai Masters (2010) to qualify for the Bilbao Masters (2010) against Carlsen and Anand, who had pre-qualified. He then won at Bilbao with +2 -0 =4 over world champion Anand, then-world number one Magnus Carlsen, and Shirov. The 2009 Tal Memorial and the Grand Slam Final at Bilbao were the most powerful tournaments (in ratings terms) ever staged. In late 2011, he easily won the 15th Unive (Crown Group) (2011) with 4.5/6 and a TPR of 2903 and finished the year with outright first at the London Chess Classic (2011) with +4 -0 =4 and a TPR of 2934, recovering ground lost following a mediocre performance in the Tal Memorial (2011) where he failed to win a game. In June 2012, he placed =4th at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2012), with 4.5/9 and in July 2012, =3rd (4th on tiebreak) at the category 19 Dortmund (2012) tournament. Kramnik finished 2012 with a surge, placing 2nd at the London Chess Classic (2012) behind Magnus Carlsen, scoring 6/8 (16 points in the 3-1-0 scoring system used in the event) and a TPR of 2937 to Carlsen's 2994.

His final training preparation for the Candidates tournament in March at the category 21 Zurich Chess Challenge (2013), was less than completely successful in terms of results (2.5/6), drawing five and losing one to Anand, although it seemed to contribute to his game fitness at the Candidates as he placed second by the narrowest of margins, scoring equal to Carlsen who won the event and the right to challenge Anand for the World Championship. He placed =4th with 4.5/9, a point behind the winner, in a low scoring Alekhine Memorial (2013) and then had one of his worse ever results at the Tal Memorial (2013), coming last with 3/9 (+0 -3 =6). However, he returned to form in the Dortmund (2013), placing outright second behind Adams, scoring 6.5/9, jointly dominating the category 19 field to the extent that no other player scored better than 50%.

Team Events

<Olympiads> Kramnik has won three team and and individual gold medals at the Olympiads as well as two team silvers. He played in the gold medal winning Russian teams in the Manila 1992, Moscow 1994 and Yerevan 1996 Olympiads, his first gold medal being awarded to him as an untitled 16 year old in 1992 when he scored eight wins, one draw, and no losses to record a remarkable TPR of 2958. In 1994, he came fifth on the second board with 8/11 and a 2727 TPR. In 1996, he scored a relatively meagre 4.5/9 on the second board. He did not participate in any more Olympiads until 37th Chess Olympiad (2006) in Turin, when he again won a gold medal with overall best performance on the top board with 6.5/9 (2847 TPR). In the Olympiad (2008) in Dresden, he scored 5/9 on top board and a 2735 TPR. Kramnik played board one for the silver medal winning Russian team in the Chess Olympiad (2010) in Khanty-Mansiysk, coming fifth with a scored of 5.5/9, winning 2 and drawing 7 with a TPR of 2794. At the Chess Olympiad (2012) held in Istanbul, he again played top board scoring 5/9 and coming 7th on that board, leading his team to another silver medal.

<National Team Events> In 1991, 2490-rated FM Kramnik represented Russia on board 2 at the World U26 Championship played at Maringá; with a perfect score of 6/6 he helped Russia to win gold, and won individual gold for his performance. He played in the European Team Championships on one occasion, in 1992, when the then FM was rated 2590. Again representing Russia, this time on board 3, he helped his team to win gold with a 6/7 effort, and won individual gold for board 3 as well as a gold medal for the best rating performance at the event, that being a 2863 performance, ahead of Kasparov's 2809 performance that won rating silver. That same year (1992), he also played on the USSR team against the Rest of the World. He played for Russia twice in the World Team Championship, in 1993 and 2013. On the first occasion, he lead his country to a bronze medal, and on the second occasion - at the FIDE World Team Championship (2013) - to a gold medal.

<European Club Cup> Kramnik does not appear to have played in the Russian or any other national league, his sole club representations being in the European Club Cup between 1995 and 1999 inclusive, and in 2005. He started off playing board one with SV Empor Berlin in 1992 and 1993, moved on to Sberbank-Tatarstan Kazan in 1994 where he helped the club to bronze, then played board one with the powerful Agrouniverzal Zemun team that won silver in 1999. His only participation in the ECC since then was a single season in 1995 playing for NAO Paris, which won bronze.

Matches

In 2004, he won a simul against the German National Team 2˝:1˝.

In October 2002, Kramnik played an eight game match against Deep Fritz (Computer) in the Brains in Bahrain (2002) match, drawing 4-4 after leading 3-1. In 2006 the German organization Universal Event Promotion (UEP) staged a return match of six games between Kramnik and Deep Fritz in Bonn, which Kramnik lost, +0 -2 =4.

In April 2012, Kramnik and Levon Aronian played, as part of their preparation for the 2012 Candidates Tournament, a six-game training match in Zurich. The Kramnik - Aronian (2012) match was drawn 3-3 (+1 -1 =4).

Rapids

Kramnik has been an excellent and consistent performer at rapid and blindfold play. He won or shared the overall lead at Amber in 1996 (outright overall 1st), 1998 (=1st with Shirov with 15/22), 1999 Monaco (14˝/22), 2001 (=1st with Topalov with 15/22), 2004 (=1st with Morozevich with 14.5/22), and 2007 (outright overall first with 15˝/22). He also won the 2001 rapid play match against Lékó by 7-5, drew the 2001 rapid play Botvinnik Memorial match with Kasparov 3:3 and the 2001 rapid play match against Anand 5:5, lost the 2002 Match Advanced Chess Kramnik vs. Anand (Leon) 3˝:2˝, was runner up to Anand in the Cap D'Agde FRA (2003), won the 2009 Zurich Champions Rapid (2009) with 5/7 and shared 1st in the 2010 President's Cup in Baku with 5/7.

Ratings

<Classical> In January 1996, Kramnik became the world top rated player. Although he had the same FIDE rating as Kasparov (2775), Kramnik became number one by having played more games during the rating period in question. Kramnik became the youngest ever to reach world number-one, breaking Kasparov's record; this record would stand for 14 years until being broken by Magnus Carlsen in January 2010. He is the second of only six chess players to have reached a rating of 2800 (the first being Kasparov, followed by Anand, Topalov, Carlsen and Aronian). Ironically, during his reign as world champion, Kramnik never regained the world number-one ranking, doing so only in January 2008 after he had lost the title to Viswanathan Anand. As in 1996, Kramnik had the same FIDE rating as Anand (2799) but became number-one due to more games played within the rating period. Kramnik's 12 years between world-number one rankings is the longest since the inception of the FIDE ranking system in 1971.

Currently (May 2014), he has a rating of 2783, remaining Russia's #1 player. He is the world #6.

<Rapid> 2773; and

<Blitz> 2782.

Other

In 1995, Kramnik served as a second for Kasparov during the latter’s successful defence of his Classical World Chess Championship against Anand, and in an ironic counter point in 2010 he served as a second for Anand during the World Champion’s successful defence against Topalov.

Kramnik has a form of arthritis called ankylosing spondylitis. In January 2006, Kramnik announced that he would miss the Corus Wijk aan Zee (2006) to seek treatment for this condition. He returned from treatment in June 2006, playing in the 37th Chess Olympiad, winning gold by top scoring on the top board. Kramnik's performance in winning the Classical World Championship in 2000 won him the Chess Oscar for 2000, while his 2006 victory in the reunification match earned him the Chess Oscar for 2006.

On 30 December 2006 he married French journalist Marie-Laure Germon and they have a daughter, Daria, who was born 28 December 2008, and a son, Vadim, born 28 January 2013.

Sources and references Website: http://www.kramnik.com/; Biography: http://www.kramnik.com/eng/biograph...; Extended and candid interview with Kramnik by Vladislav Tkachiev in August 2011: http://whychess.org/node/1605; Live rating: http://www.2700chess.com/; * http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...; Wikipedia article: Kramnik


 page 1 of 100; games 1-25 of 2,487  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Kramnik vs Serdyukov 1-031 1984 BelorechenskB78 Sicilian, Dragon, Yugoslav Attack, 10.castle long
2. A Oganian vs Kramnik 0-131 1984 BelorechenskB89 Sicilian
3. Remezov vs Kramnik  0-152 1985 KrasnodarB45 Sicilian, Taimanov
4. Kramnik vs Zhukov  1-038 1986 BelorechenskB43 Sicilian, Kan, 5.Nc3
5. Zaitsev vs Kramnik 0-149 1986 Team TournamentB83 Sicilian
6. I Odesskij vs Kramnik 0-125 1987 URS-chT U16A52 Budapest Gambit
7. Kramnik vs Otsarev 1-018 1987 Baku TrainingB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
8. Kramnik vs Mayorov 1-034 1987 GelendzhikC12 French, McCutcheon
9. Kramnik vs A Chumachenko 1-032 1987 GelendzhikB21 Sicilian, 2.f4 and 2.d4
10. Shilov vs Kramnik 0-137 1987 USSR Boys' ChampionshipB33 Sicilian
11. Y Yakovich vs Kramnik 1-042 1988 USSRB40 Sicilian
12. Kramnik vs Danislian  ½-½60 1988 Dimitrovgrad U18B15 Caro-Kann
13. Kramnik vs B Podlesnik 1-037 1989 Sochi (Russia)B33 Sicilian
14. Yurtaev vs Kramnik 0-174 1989 MoscowB30 Sicilian
15. Kramnik vs Y Yakovich 1-035 1989 It (open)C50 Giuoco Piano
16. J Ivanov vs Kramnik ½-½12 1989 Sochi (Russia)A85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
17. Sakaev vs Kramnik 1-021 1989 Ch URSA85 Dutch, with c4 & Nc3
18. L Basin vs Kramnik ½-½49 1989 It (open)A87 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation
19. Kramnik vs Campora  ½-½26 1989 Cup World (open)C50 Giuoco Piano
20. Kramnik vs A N Panchenko ½-½60 1989 Sochi (Russia)B58 Sicilian
21. Kramnik vs G Kuzmin ½-½42 1989 World Cup ( open )C55 Two Knights Defense
22. Kramnik vs B Taborov  ½-½35 1989 It (open)B06 Robatsch
23. A Filipenko vs Kramnik 0-140 1989 Sochi (Russia)B00 Uncommon King's Pawn Opening
24. Kramnik vs Y Yakovich ½-½14 1989 Sochi (Russia)B33 Sicilian
25. V Arbakov vs Kramnik 0-173 1989 It (open)A87 Dutch, Leningrad, Main Variation
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Oct-21-05  csmath: What Kramnik now wants is a legitimacy, credibility, something he has never earned, even though he had played well in 1998-2001, he was still not able to win neither Linares 1998, nor Cazorla match, nor Las Vegas KO. He failed in every single qualifications he participated it.

Yet he demanded Kasparov to go through qualifications for the match with him.

Now he claims again that he does not need qualifications for the match with FIDE champ.

It is always required for others, and never for him.

If he wants to accomodate people that think they are better than he is, there is a long way to go: Kasparov, Anand, Morozevich, and the last one is Topalov. Here is the plan for Kramnik, beat all these and in that order. How is that for credibility?

Oct-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  acirce: I didn't say just one bad result. Of course it's not that +1 in Linares is *bad*, but he had not won a tournament since 2002 and by *his* standards these +1 results at least indicated a decline. Cesme on top of that made it seem to a lot of observers, including me, that Kasparov was no longer the best player (Kramnik had said that even before) or at the very least not more than the first among equals. So why Kramnik would want to avoid him in particular, someone he actually has a plus score against, at that point was never clear to me. But it's allowed to speculate, of course.
Oct-21-05  csmath: <Wow!!! The situation is really bad when we have two organizations and FIDE is the more legitimate of the two :)>

Well, in fact FIDE isn't that bad as some people would like to make out of it. Without FIDE there would be no female competition, no youth competition, no rating system, no Olympiads, no seniors championships, and so on, and so forth.

ACP does nothing else than a work with elite group of top 200-300 players, and even there they have done absolutely nothing.

Oct-21-05  Akavall: <Yet he demanded Kasparov to go through qualifications for the match with him.>

Did he do that before the 2000 London match? Kramnik doesn't need to go through any qualifications, because he is already a Classical WC.

Oct-21-05  csmath: <So why Kramnik would want to avoid him in particular, someone he actually has a plus score against, at that point was never clear to me. But it's allowed to speculate, of course.>

Well, to maintain that plus score, that score that was made in London. Since if they play another match, this would be definitely changing, there would not be only 7 decided games between the two of them. Kramnik ducked it out. If Kramnik is convinced that he is superior to Kasparov then why we have not seen a rematch. Kasparov issued a challenge for it number of times. After all it was Kasparov that is rated #1 even after Kramnik won the match in London.

Oct-21-05  alexandrovm: <Akavall: <csmath> Does Kramnik really want FIDE title?> of course, he keeps saying that there must be a unification process, and many agree to that including myself. Kramnik is a smart man, he knows that he needs, some how, to unify the tittle. So be it, I hope to see that in a couple of years, hopefully...
Oct-21-05  amuralid: <Yet he demanded Kasparov to go through qualifications for the match with him.> Qualifications are good. It was Kasparov's mistake to 'pick' Kramnik. One of the few blemishes in his otherwise brilliant career.

<Now he claims again that he does not need qualifications for the match with FIDE champ.> A few of us do believe he has already qualified by winning and defending the WC title.

Oct-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  acirce: <<Kean> <chancho> Most people would disagree with your view. FIDE is definitely more legitimate than ACP.>

Why would you bring up the ACP to counter an argument about FIDE's title? What does the ACP have to do with anything in that regard?

<What has the ACP accomplished the past 5 years?>

Well, since they have only existed for 2 years..

<Just a few days ago the ACP posted an article that discusses their a chievements in 2005, the only achievement they listed was a 2 day blitz tournament in Moscow!>

Nah. I think you need to read it again. http://chess-players.org/eng/news/v...

<The ACP is a joke, it is no where near as legitimate as FIDE.>

I have to wonder if you even know what the ACP is.

Oct-21-05  Akavall: <alexandrovm> Yeah, I guees, the unified Fide title is what he is after. Yes, I also what to see reunification happen.
Oct-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  KingG: <acirce> Yes, it's true that his results in 2003-2004 wern't that great, but if i could make a guess, i would say that he had just come off two unbelievable years where he won everything in sight, all presumably to prove to Kramnik that he was worthy of a rematch.

Then he gets a way to play that rematch(Prague) and his performance goes down, added to the fact that he was writing books, entering politics, etc. This all seems natural to me. Then he finds out he may not get the rematch(Pono, Kasim, FIDE) and so proves himself once more(Russian Championship, Linares).

To me this indicates that had he got a match with Kramnik, i think he would have raised his game even more, and would have been far more dangerous than Topalov, Anand, etc. Of course all this is pure speculation, but i don't think it is unreasonable.

Oct-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  KingG: Anyway, i don't think Kramnik not wanting to play Kasparov then and wanting to play Topalov now has got that much to do with how strong they are, and more to do with the fact that Kramnik has to make sure he doesn't become marginalised by FIDE(and perhaps even by the other players).
Oct-21-05  csmath: <Nah. I think you need to read it again. http://chess-players.org/eng/news/v... >

ACP has done and organized nothing. What they call ACP Tour is their accounting of various events which has nothing to do with their organization. European Chess Union is not ACP either, and the Olympiad in Calvia and FIDE isn't ACP either.

You read it one more time, there is nothing in it that ACP did else than a 2-day blitz tournament in Moscow (a "huge success").

Oct-21-05  Dionyseus: <acirce> <Nah. I think you need to read it again. http://chess-players.org/eng/news/v... >

What are you trying to show me? The only thing they list as an achievement is a 2 day blitz tournament. Can you seriously say the ACP is as legitimate as FIDE?

Oct-21-05
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  acirce: I don't even understand why you brought up the ACP in that discussion at all. <Kean> and <chancho> were talking about the value of the FIDE title vs the classical title. The ACP controls no title, it's just a kind of a players union. You could just as well have compared FIDE to the NAO chess club or the ECU or whatever. But, um, they do in fact list many things achieved if you actually read the article. And to finally answer your question, of course, they are both fully legitimate organizations.
Oct-21-05  Dionyseus: <acirce> <But, um, they do in fact list a lot of things achieved if you actually read the article.>

No, they don't. The only ACP achievement I could find in the article is the 2 day blitz tournament in Moscow.

<he ACP controls no title>

Then who controls Kramnik's title?

Oct-21-05  csmath: <The ACP controls no title, it's just a kind of a players union.>

Correct. Now that brings upon a question what title Kramnik has?

It is not ACP title, it is not PCA title, it is not Braingames title, and it is not Einstein Group title. What it is?

Therefore this must be his private title, as transferred to him by Kasparov.

But Kasparov's title depended on the owner's performance, that is how we recognized it, not by a sponsorship. Yet Kramnik fails to perform. Meaning this title loses its value, and credibility.

Now we understand why does he need FIDE to stand behind him. He cannot perform and the title fades.

But hey, so what if FIDE does not want to stand behind a freeloader who cannot perform any more? What happens then?

Oct-21-05  tsj2000: Dear friends! You all would beat politicians easily! I would say that this debate is the best compared to many that take place in Parliments around the world!!

My view is(Remember only my view) Kramnik deserved to be a world champion when he beat Kasparov. However after that his gimmicks to hold on to the title, particularly not giving a rematch to Kasparov,has really devalued his title.

The FIDE tournament was among the top 8 players.Eventhough it was a round robin it was a 14round tournament and quite exhausting just like any long match and Topalov won with his stunning performance.

Now the real question is whether Topalov will fight with Kramnik, for a title which has no value to anybody except for Kramnik and lose his own FIDE title?! I dont think anybody would do that.

With all due respects to Kramnik I think his title has lost respect and even though I agree he is a great player, no strong player would be willing to play with Kramnik anymore.

Oct-21-05  csmath: Hic Rhodus, hic salta. Corus 2006 is coming, Linares 2006 is coming.

Mr Kramnik, perform. If you can, we'll all stand behind you and the match will be imminent. You cannot, your title goes down the toilet flushed by your numerous 20-move draws. This is as simple as it gets. You are a champ? Play like one.

Oct-21-05
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  acirce: No organization controls Kramnik's title. Same situation as so often before in history.

Going to bed now. I'll be playing in a couple of team matches this weekend so we'll see if I get time to post here.

Oct-21-05  Hesam7: <acirce> Good luck with the games friend!
Oct-21-05  danielpi: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...

Then, I wonder, why is it that Kramnik the "patzer" has a +19 -9 =33 against Topalov. What rubbish! There goes any hope of reunification. He does say that he'd play for money, though. Of course, he wouldn't dare risk his championship. Who's the greedy one?

Oct-21-05  Dionyseus: <No organization controls Kramnik's title. Same situation as so often before in history.>

That sounds unprofessional. He is free to hold on to his title forever without defending it, without having to fulfill a champion's duties. He is apparently under no contract anymore (Einstein Group went bankrupt) , so he isn't obligated to do anything. When will he announce a new cycle to determine his new challenger?

<acirce> good luck with your games this weekend.

<danielpi> <Then, I wonder, why is it that Kramnik the "patzer" has a +19 -9 =33 against Topalov. What rubbish! There goes any hope of reunification. He does say that he'd play for money, though. Of course, he wouldn't dare risk his championship. Who's the greedy one? >

I don't think he's being greedy, I think he's being smart. Kramnik wants Topalov's title, so Topalov is simply saying that Kramnik needs to qualify for it by winning tournaments. Topalov is not interested in Kramnik's title.

Oct-21-05  alexandrovm: <tsj2000: Dear friends! You all would beat politicians easily! I would say that this debate is the best compared to many that take place in Parliments around the world!! My view is(Remember only my view) Kramnik deserved to be a world champion when he beat Kasparov. However after that his gimmicks to hold on to the title, particularly not giving a rematch to Kasparov,has really devalued his title. > I must agree with this...
Oct-21-05  Hesam7: <danielpi: Who's the greedy one?>

Thats the wrong question the correct one is: "Who's the coward one?" ;-)

Oct-21-05  Backward Development: Perhaps the original Russian article has been posted here already, but cb.com has posted an english summary of Topalov's interview with 64. It would indicate that Kramnik is in a different class altogether than Topalov and not worthy to challenge him for the FIDE title. There goes the neighborhood.

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp...

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