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|Jan-12-10|| ||Amulet: [Date "2010.01.12"]
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1. b4 g6 2. Bb2 Nf6 3. c4 Bg7 4. g3 O-O 5. Bg2 c6 6. Nf3 d5 7. Qc2 Bf5 8. d3 e6 9. O-O Nbd7 10. Nbd2 Re8 11. Nh4 Ng4 12. e4 dxe4 13. dxe4 Bxb2 14. Qxb2 g5 15. exf5 gxh4 16. fxe6 Rxe6 17. Ne4 Ndf6 18. Rad1 Qe7 19. Ng5 Re2 20. Qb1 h6 21. Nh3 Re8 22. Nf4 hxg3 23. fxg3 Qe3+ 24. Kh1 Nf2+ 25. Kg1 Nh3+ 26. Kh1 Qg1+ 27. Rxg1 Nf2# 0-1
|May-12-10|| ||capanegra: In the book "Tratado General de Ajedrez" by Roberto Grau, figures a beautiful combination with the interception theme from a game won by Torre in a simul. Judging the position, it looks that the opening was a Max Lange attack.|
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Torre played 1.Rd6!!
a) 1… Rxd6 2.g8=Q+ Kd7 (2…Rd8 3.Qxd8+ Kxd8 4.f7) 3.Qf7+ Kc6 4.Qe8+ Kb6 5.Qe3!
b) 1…cxd6 2.f7
|Aug-31-10|| ||Lil Swine: many chess players were mental or paranoid, they were too successful and were hounded by media, plus after a few decades of thinking and playing chess would really stretch their brains into mushy goo, its no wonder steinitz and morphy were put in asylums, fischer went around thinking russians were after him, come on, and now theres torre, so many|
|Aug-31-10|| ||SwitchingQuylthulg: <capanegra: In the book "Tratado General de Ajedrez" by Roberto Grau, figures a beautiful combination with the interception theme from a game won by Torre in a simul. Judging the position, it looks that the opening was a Max Lange attack.>|
Thought that looked familiar somehow... it's on Tim Krabbé's ultimate blunder page, where he claims Torre missed Rd6 and resigned instead.
|Oct-20-10|| ||wordfunph: Carlos Torre warned his colleagues to stay away from women because they cost too much money.|
Source: The Psychology of the Chess Player by Reuben Fine
|May-21-11|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <Carlos Torre Repetto>|
Here is live film footage of <Torre> and <Frank Marshall> from the Moscow International Tournament of 1925.
It should be noted that they are acting for a film "Chess Fever" in the scenes shown in this video:
|Jun-07-11|| ||capanegra: <SwitchingQuylthulg> you’re right, the book I cited is wrong and White resigned instead of playing the wining Rd6.|
In fact, the complete game score is given by Edward Winter in his Chess Notes. White was a man called F. Parker (former champion of the Marshall chess club), and the game was played in a simultaneous exhibition on 16 September 1924. See http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...
1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bc4 Nf6 4 d4 exd4 5 O-O Bc5 6 e5 d5 7 exf6 dxc4 8 Re1+ Be6 9 Ng5 Qd5 10 Nc3 Qf5 11 Nce4 O-O-O 12 g4 Qe5 13 Nxe6 fxe6 14 fxg7 Rhg8 15 Bh6 Bd6 16 f4 Qa5 17 Qf3 Qd5 18 g5 Bc5 19 Kg2 Be7 20 Nf6 Bxf6 21 Qxd5 Rxd5 22 gxf6 Rf5 23 Rxe6 Nd8 24 Rae1 Nxe6 25 Rxe6 d3 26 cxd3 cxd3 27 Kf2 d2 28 Ke2 Rd8 29 Kd1 Rc5 30 0-1
|Oct-09-11|| ||Karpova: C. S. Howell on pages 166-170 of the September-October issue of the 'American Chess Bulletin':|
<He lacks technique and for the sake of his chess future, I hope that he will not hasten too much in cultivating it. Acquired naturally and as a result of the experience of play, technique is a valuable asset but the attempt to acquire it before one’s ability to combine has been fully developed has stopped permanently the improvement of a good many young players.>
Source: Edward Winter 's 'Chess in 1924' from 1999
|Nov-23-11|| ||andrewjsacks: One of the most naturally talented players of all time.|
|Nov-23-11|| ||andrewjsacks: Thank you for the fascinating youtube link, jessicafischerqueen.|
|Nov-23-11|| ||Korifej: His game against Lasker is amazing|
|Nov-23-11|| ||brankat: An illness prevented him from achieving much more, not only chess-wise.|
R.I.P. master Carlos Torre.
|Nov-23-12|| ||brankat: Happy Birthday!|
|Mar-14-13|| ||copablanco: Wikipedia says he was born in 1904, and in 1915
he went to the US to prove himself against the best
chess players...at ten or 11 years old?
He had an episode in New York while on a Fifth ave. bus by taking his clothes off !.More is mentioned in
The psychology of the chess player by Ruben Fine.
|Mar-14-13|| ||chancho: From Sarah's Chess Journal:
<There have been rumors that [Torre's] breakdown occurred as a result of being jilted by his fiancée.
Whether this is true or not is unclear, but it's not generally accepted. Dr Carlos Fruvas Gárnica, who treated Torre and seemed to be very close to him, reports that Torre, in fact, became a victim of his own success:
"In 1926 there was no Mexican politician, generale, or rich retailer, or monopolistic millionaire that did not want Torre [attending] their social gatherings."
It's his contention that Torre was used by political, military and financial leaders to augment their social standings.
They had no interest and little involvement in chess, yet they invited (strongly) Torre to appear at their constant stream of social gatherings.
They wined him and dined him, faking interest in a subject they knew nothing about.
He felt like a rope in some tug-of-war.
So incessant were the invitations that he often had to refuse one to attend another.
The political climate in Mexico of that time made refusing a dangerous thing.
In short, the doctor believes Torre was a victim of stress and found the only way to escape this stress was to escape the reality of his existence, that is, to not be a famous chess player.
"...they want to think that Torre lost the reason by some dark cause, I prefer to think that Carlos Torre retired voluntarily from chess not to have to report to that society of crazy people.">
|Mar-14-13|| ||Caissanist: <The Psychology of the Chess Player> is not a reliable source, particularly for sensational stories such as this. Edward Winter has debunked many of the anecdotes in that book, and considers this particular one to be "unsubstantiated".|
|Jul-22-13|| ||adalthor: It says, among other things about Carlos Torre: "He made his international debut at the Moscow 1925 tournament and placed fifth". According to New in chess #4/2013, page 83 he played Baden-Baden [april/may] 1925, then in Marienbad, Moscow was only in November.|
|Jul-22-13|| ||TheFocus: It should probably be mentioned in his bio that he won the Louisiana State Championship in 1923.|
|Nov-08-13|| ||Karpova: New York, 19-year old Carlso Torre won the Western Chess Association Championship Tournament with 14.0/16 (+12 -0 =4) ahead of players like Whitaker and Reshevsky.|
From page 300 of the October 1924 'Neue Wiener Schachzeitung'
|Aug-14-14|| ||Mr. V: I think Caruana looks a little like him. Hopefully Fabiano Caruana never meets such a tragic fate.|
|Apr-28-15|| ||wrap99: Many, many years ago I met Marcel Sisniega who I believe told me that Torre was his teacher -- certainly plausible. It meant nothing to me in 1975 (when I met Sisniega) but I guess it would be interesting if someone could confirm.|
|Nov-06-15|| ||gabriel25: I seem to remember an incredible game with about six or seven queen oferings, never takable always poisoned, that ends with a mate on the last rank. It is in most antologies as beautiful an surprising.|
I also remember been told that it was actually a present, so his name would be on all chess books, and it is, from a chess master last named Torres in New Orleans to this patron who had been very friendly and generous with him.
Maybe one of you erudites of chess can clear that up.
The game from my description should be recognizable. Im am too old and forget some things but remember others.
|Nov-06-15|| ||Mr. V: <gabriel25>
You're probably thinking of E Z Adams vs Carlos Torre, 1920
|Nov-10-15|| ||gabriel25: <Mr. V> Thanks, i saw the game, a real beauty!|
Read a lot of kibitzing on it.
It was a generous present to a generous patron of chess.
Good gestures, both.
|Nov-23-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Carlos Torre.|
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