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Apr-18-08
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| percyblakeney: If Menchik had survived the war and kept playing she could have stayed World Champion for a longer period than Lasker. The first World Championship after Menchik's death was contested in 1950, 23 years after she won the title. If there had existed a women's World Championship before 1927 she could probably have won it already in 1923, when she started playing in men's tournaments. The Soviet World Champions of the 1950's never played in men's tournaments in the way Menchik did, and the difference in strength between Rudenko, Rubtsova and Bykova wasn't big. In the first post-war Championship 1½ point separated the three (their later matches were fairly even), and an old opponent of Menchik's from her +43 -0 =0 days, Clarice Benini, won with black against Bykova and drew Rubtsova. The difference in strength between the Champions of the 1950's and later players was made clear when Gaprindashvili turned up, playing Bykova for the title in 1962. Gaprindashvili won 7 and drew 4 of the 11 games. Menchik may well have been able to keep the title until then, if she really had wanted to. |
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| Sep-29-08 |
| TheTamale: My brother and I were once on the same postal chess team. Our captain solicited team names. My offerings were the Virile Men-Chicks and the Near-Mieses. My brother's was the Albin Sevilles. And his idea was chosen! |
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| Oct-15-08 |
| gazzawhite: Were there any strong women players before Menchik's time? e.g. Anybody who was considered the strongest female player of their time, but did not have the opportunity to win a world championship (like Philidor)? |
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Oct-16-08
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| Caissanist: Louis Paulsen had a sister Amalie Paulsen who was said to be a very strong player in her own right, though so few of her games have survived that there's really no way of knowing. Unfortunately she never played in tournaments--probably at that time (1858) this was something that a "respectable" woman was not expected to do. |
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| Oct-25-08 |
| GrahamClayton: Vera Menchik was a member of the West London Chess Club. Here is a recollection of her by Margaret Brown: http://www.westlondonchess.com/hist... |
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Oct-31-08
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| Karpova: Information on her sister Olga (from page 278 of Gaige's "Chess Personalia", McFarland 2005): Olga Menchik
Mrs. Clifford Grandvill Rubery
Born: 1908 in Moscow, Russia
Died: 1944.06.26, London, England
Who knows more about her?
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| Nov-07-08 |
| GrahamClayton: The trophy for the winning team in the inaugral Women's Chess Olympiad at Emmen in 1957 was named the Vera Menchik Cup. Source: David Hooper and Kenneth Whyld, "Oxford Companion to Chess", OUP, 1992 |
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Dec-15-08
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| Karpova: I found something on Olga Menchik:
She participated in two WWC events.
<1935 Varsavia (torneo): 1° V. Menchik 9/9; 2°Herlecka 6,5; 3°Harum 6; 4°O.Menchik 5,5; 5°Thierry 5; 6°-7°Hermanova e Holloway 3,5; 8°Schonsberg 3; 9°-10°Kowelska e Shannon 1,5 (10)> <1939 Stoccolma (torneo): 1° V. Menchik 14/14, 2°Benini 10, 3°-4°Graf e Lauberte 9; 5°Bain 8,5; 6°-7°Karff e Fischerova 8; 8°-9°Gilchrist e I.Andersson 7,5; 10°-16°Hermanova, Roodzant, St.John, A.Andersson, Herlecka, Farago e Holloway 7; 17°-20°Florow-Bulhak, Harum, Reischer, O.Menchik 6,5; 21°-22°Larsen e Thomson 6; 23°Beskow 5,5; 24°Shannon 5; 25°Nakkerud 2; 25°Mellbye 1 (25)> Source: http://xoomer.alice.it/cserica/scac... I didn't find games played by her though. |
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Dec-22-08
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| Karpova: From Edward Winter's feature article "Chess: Hitler and Nazi Germany", 2000: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... BCM of August 1944, page 173:
<‘The news of this unspeakable tragedy [the death of Vera Menchik] will be received by the chess world with sorrow and with abhorrence of the wanton and useless robot methods of a robot people. One shudders at the heritage of hatred which will be theirs, but their greatest punishment will come with their own enlightenment.’> |
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| Dec-22-08 |
| AnalyzeThis: <perceyblakney: If Menchik had survived the war and kept playing she could have stayed World Champion for a longer period than Lasker. > Lasker could have given her pawn and move. |
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Dec-22-08
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| percyblakeney: <Lasker could have given her pawn and move> I think the impressive thing with Menchik is that even though she lived in a time when the possibilities for chess playing women were much smaller than today, she still showed some very strong results. Menchik for example won two games in a row (and had a career plus) against Euwe in the 1930s, just before he became World Champion. She was close to winning also a third game in a row: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... Capablanca was another thing though:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/ches... |
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| Dec-22-08 |
| AnalyzeThis: Yes, and Lasker slapped her around in the only game they played. |
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| Dec-23-08 |
| YoungEd: It so happens, <TheTamale>, that "Albin Sevilles" is an uproariously funny name. I suspect that your team was doomed to failure with the dissention and rancor that you brought to it. |
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| Dec-26-08 |
| TheTamale: <YoungEd>, I hope your chess is more astute than your sense of humor. That name gets a 700 rating from discriminaing chessplayers worldwide. |
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| Dec-28-08 |
| YoungEd: <TheTamale>, I fear that you belong on the team "Fischers of Men" with your unwaranted vitriol. You have hurt my feelings and it's time to cry into my hanky now. |
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Jan-21-09
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| Karpova: There's a picture of Olga and Vera Menchik in C.N. 5964: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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Mar-22-09
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| Karpova: Alexander Alekhine on pages 220-221 of "Gran Ajedrez" (Madrid, 1947) annotating a game of hers from 1939: <‘… it is totally unfair to persuade a player of an acknowledged superclass like Miss Menchik to defend her title year after year in tournaments composed of very inferior players. It is not surprising that after so many tournaments she has lost much of her interest, and plays some games casually, much below her strength. But such accidental difficulties could not possibly be decisive in a championship, if it were settled, like any title of importance, in a match and not in a tournament.’> Source: Edward Winter`s "Chess and Women"
Link: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/... |
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| May-25-09 |
| WhiteRook48: chiked out men |
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Jul-24-09
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| grasser: I hope I'm never killed with a famous person. I'll be listed as "Other" too. |
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Jul-24-09
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| blacksburg: i hope i'm never killed with anyone. |
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Jul-27-09
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| grasser: We don't seem to be killed very often as compared Race Car drivers, Sky Divers, Skiers and whatnot. |
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| Aug-07-09 |
| TheFocus: She played and beat Euwe (1930), Reshevsky (1935), Alexander (1932), Yates (1928), Colle, Opocensky, Thomas (1932), Becker (1929), Mieses (1928), L. Steiner (1936), Saemisch (1929), Milner-Barry (1934), Golombek, William Winter (1932), Tylor (1933), Book (1938), Sergeant (1938), and Sultan Khan. All are now members of the Menchik Club. |
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| Aug-07-09 |
| TheFocus: In a record of Menchik's tournaments that I have found so far, she finished with a plus score in 29 tournaments, an even score in 6, and a minus score in 28, with two cross-tables not found yet so these totals are not complete. Her overall record has a minus score. She was a definite team player, completing in club matches at least 50 times, with a score of 33 wins, 17 draws and only 8 losses, with 2 game results not known. |
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| Aug-07-09 |
| TheFocus: In match play, Vera was successful, defeating Price in 1925 with a score of +3=1-1, Sonja Graf in 1934 (+3=0-1) and again in 1937 (+9=5-2), and Jacques Mieses (+4=5-1) in 1942. |
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Aug-07-09
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| Knight13: <Jacques Mieses (+4=5-1) in 1942> You know how old Mieses was in 1942? He was born in 1865! Like that even counts.... Thought I must admit he was super good in later half of 1800s. |
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