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|Sep-20-08|| ||MarkThornton: In 1985, I had the privilege of playing against Sir Stuart, then aged 79, in a county match, Cambridgeshire v. Kent.|
At the time, I played nothing but the French Defence against 1. e4. Sir Stuart had White, so he played the Milner-Barry Gambit against me!
I was 19, and thought I knew all the theory on this line. But at move 10 or 11, Sir Stuart played a move that was completely unknown to me! (He later told me that he had recently discovered it at home.)
At the board, his TN totally bamboozled me, and I was soon in trouble. I managed to survive into an endgame, but his excellent technique gave me no chance whatsoever.
A year or two later, Sir Stuart was the guest speaker at the Annual Dinner of Cambridge University Chess Club. He delighted the gathering with his memories of Capablanca, Alekhine and other famous players.
He was a delightful old gentleman, with a lively mind and a gracious manner towards everyone.
|Sep-20-08|| ||sisyphus: Here's to Milner-Barry, whose gambit line has enabled me to survive the French for many years.|
|Sep-20-08|| ||belgradegambit: Milner-Barry gambit a la Tal: Tal vs I Nei, 1958|
|Jul-15-10|| ||GrahamClayton: An interesting piece from the Milner-Barry papers held in the Churchill Archives Centre:|
“He was one of the senior code-breakers at Bletchley Park, 1940-45. He was Gordon Welchman’s deputy at Bletchley Park and was primarily responsible for the vital “cribs” of Hut 6 and in 1943 he took over responsibility for Hut 6. On 21st October 1941, Milner-Barry along with Alan Turing, Gordon Welchman, Hugh Alexander wrote directly to Churchill to seek more staff for Bletchley Park. Milner-Barry delivered the letter personally to 10 Downing Street and Churchill gave them his support."
|Jul-15-11|| ||kingscrusher: Code breaker at Bletchley park
|Sep-20-11|| ||brankat: A talented man, and a very strong chess player.|
|Sep-20-11|| ||Dionysius1: Milner-Barry was never the Under Secretary of the Treasury. There were many Under Secretaries in each Government Department. It was the name given to a senior manager in charge of a significant function, and HM Treasury would have had a dozen or more. THE Under Secretary is short for the Permanent Under Secretary of which there was only one at any one time, as permanent head of the Treasury officials (in informal language). I've submitted a correction slip.|
|Sep-20-11|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: Ray Keene wrote back in 2004:
<he was knighted for his work as a civil servant including being a codebreaker with turing during the war-sir stuart was the one chosen to go to churchill from bletchley and ask for more money and resources to help break the nazi codes.>
Just in case ppl forget to scroll back and read past comments! ;o)
He was breaking codes with Golombek and some other notables. Fantastic disguise against 5th columnists, to have well known chess players saying they are off to play chess!
|Sep-20-11|| ||scormus: <SWT well known chess players saying they are off to play chess!>
|Sep-20-11|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: @<scormus>
Keine dirty tricks, jawolh?
|Sep-20-11|| ||noctiferus: <An Englishman>
I don't know if it is allowed in CG, but I'd to like to suggest a more smooth and shallow presentation of Bletchley Park's achievements (with a non technical reference to Colossus):
The Code book
whose reference is missing in Wikipedia page.
|Mar-28-12|| ||wordfunph: "If I think about guys Sir Stuart Milner Barry, he really was incredibly violent in his games; he always played like a caveman. He was also one of the most quiet and gentle guys that I've come across in chess."|
- GM Nigel Short
Source: Interview with a Grandmaster by Aaron & Claire Summerscale
|Sep-05-13|| ||offramp: At the Civil Service Club on Scotland Yard there is a Milner-Barry Suite. It is used for lots of different events but I'm hoping to go along when it is host to a Masonic meeting. It would be strange to see the old chequer-board carpet laid out in a room named after one of England's greatest masters.|
|Apr-18-14|| ||Benzol: Another game from an old NZ Chess magazine. This one played in the first round of the British Championship in 1963.|
[Event "British Championship"]
[White "Milner-Barry, Sir Philip Stuart"]
[Black "Cafferty, Bernard"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Qb6 5. Bd3 Bd7 6. dxc5
Bxc5 7. Qe2 a5 8. Nd2 a4 9. Ngf3 Ne7 10. Nf1 Ra5 11. Ng3 Bb5 12. O-O Nd7 13.
Nh5 O-O 14. Bxb5 Qxb5 15. Qd2 Ng6 16. Nxg7 Ndxe5 17. Nxe5 Kxg7 18. Qh6+ Kg8 19.
Bg5 f6 20. Nxg6 Rf7 21. Bh4 hxg6 22. Qxg6+ Rg7 23. Qxf6 Ra6 24. Qd8+ Kh7 25.
Rae1 Qc4 26. Re5 Ra8 27. Rh5+ Kg6 28. Rg5+ 1-0
An interesting game with the line in the French Defence that bears his name.
|Apr-30-14|| ||MountainMatt: What a classically English face. He looks a bit like my grandpa.|
|Apr-19-15|| ||kamagong24: the code breaker!|
|Aug-06-16|| ||wrap99: When I read posts recounting playing him as an old man, I am reminded what to me is great about chess: the connection with the past. Related to this is the general social aspect of the game -- I spent years in a terrible, run-down rural community surrounded by people of very conservative views -- chess was my way out, a way to meet different sorts of people from all over.|
|Sep-20-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, P.S. Milner-Barry.|
|Jul-28-17|| ||offramp: When we die what do we leave except memories? People remember Philip Stuart Milner-Barry with happy memories, and William Ritson-Morry with bad memories. But at least they are both remembered.|
|Sep-20-17|| ||Richard Taylor: I remember his games being in Chess which was a magazine I got about 1964 for a while. It was not the BCM which I got for a while from England. I recall games by him and Penrose who I also thought might be related to the physicist. I think he was though not directly. |
Alexander, as is noted was a code man: was in the movie of Turing, seen as his assistant. Leonard Barden who does a column in the Guardian and also NZ's Listener wrote there that Alexander was considered potentially one of the greats (Botvinnik had a high opinion of his play) but found it hard to get permission to go to Moscow after the war due to his involvement at Bletchley and related security issues. I don't know how true that is but it is interesting they were involved in cracking the Enigma etc...
Mind you this all might be a load of cobblers and they were playing golf, chess, skittles and on the booze the whole time...
|Sep-20-17|| ||Richard Taylor: Bad memories of Ritson-Morry? Please explain <offramp> ?|
|Sep-20-17|| ||Elbajacisback: Sir Stuart Milner-Barry attended the 2-day Civil Service Chess Finals at York University in 1991 as the guest of honour. My Dad and I both qualified that year, and we spent a wonderful evening with him as he recounted the great players he had played and other stories from his life. As Mark Thornton said a few years ago he was a real gentleman, and I feel lucky and privileged to have met him.|
|Sep-21-17|| ||offramp: <Richard Taylor: Bad memories of Ritson-Morry? Please explain <offramp> ?>|
It's on the Ritson Morry page:
<In the late 1930s Ritson Morry, who was a solicitor, invested clients’ money without their knowledge or consent in a speculative property development. He was convinced that the development would make a large profit and he would be able to replace the clients’ money and take the profit for himself. Unfortunately for Ritson Morry, with the outbreak of the Second World War the development collapsed and he lost all the money which had been invested.>
I lost £4 10s 6d in that adventure.
|Sep-22-17|| ||MissScarlett: The worst thing about playing Ritson-Morry wasn't the farts, it was his threatening to fart.|
|Sep-24-17|| ||Richard Taylor: <offramp> Naughty old Ritson|
<MissScarlett> People have an inalienable right to fart. Please show respect or I will report this to the World Farting Association.
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