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Apr-20-16
 | | Tabanus: Manitoba Free Press, 9 July 1904, p. 5:
<Dominion Chess Championship. A meeting of the committee will be held to-day to complete the arrangements for the Dominion Chess Tourney. The success of the tournament is already assured, as in addition to the leading players of Winnipeg, entries have been received from two of the leading Toronto players, one of whom, Mr. E. Saunders, may be considered as Toronto's strongest player. Another competitor comes from St. John, N.B., in the person of the Rev. J. de Soyres, who is also admitted one of the best in the east, and last, but not least, Monteal have decided to be represented by their champion, Mr. Kurrle.> Or <Kurrie>, it's blurred. Enough for today :) |
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Apr-20-16
 | | Tabanus: One more :) And there may be more to find in this newspaper. From Manitoba Free Press, 11 April 1898, p. 5: <At the city hotels. ... Clarendon: E. Saunders, Toronto; ...> |
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Apr-20-16 | | luftforlife: <Tab>: Thanks for the research, and for the quotes. It's "Kurrie"; I will be transcribing Saunders-Kurrie (1-0) later on tonight or tomorrow. Information about rounds for this game and for Saunders-Spencer from Winnipeg 1904 will be greatly appreciated. I have a lead on another source in addition to <Checkmate>; the more the merrier. Your Manitoba Free Press material is excellent. More soon. :) |
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Apr-20-16 | | luftforlife: <Tab>: I've finished transcribing the moves of Ernest Saunders v. R.J. Spencer (0-1) from 25th Canadian Championships, Winnipeg 1904. Exciting game! Once I have date and round information, I can finish the PGN header and submit the game for upload. |
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Apr-20-16 | | luftforlife: Excerpts from newspaper coverage of "The Dominion Championship Tourney at Winnipeg," the 25th Canadian Chess Championship held from July 25 through August 1, 1904: "E. Saunders, of Toronto, accomplished a great performance in losing his first five games and then winning 5 1/2 out of his remaining 6." "A brilliancy prize, value $25, presented by Mr. Saunders, has yet to be awarded." The Montreal Weekly Witness, August 9, 1904, p.5. |
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Apr-20-16 | | ljfyffe: So says the Stubb's column of August 19, 1904:
"The brilliancy prize of $25, contributed by E.
Saunders of Toronto, will be adjudicated by
Mr. Narraway.> The Saunders-Spencer game is given as well. |
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Apr-20-16 | | luftforlife: <ljfyffe>: Thanks for that specific information, which is helpful. Mention of the $25 brilliancy prize was also made in Checkmate, which drew directly from The Montreal Weekly Witness for its scores and notes. Does Stubbs or another source (Wright relied on the Manitoba Free Press, which <Tab> is delving into) mention the date and the round of the Saunders-Spencer game? |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: Manitoba Free Press, 19 July 1904, p. 8:
<The entry list for the Dominion chess championship tournament closed on Saturday with the following names: Ernest Saunders, D. J. McKinnon, both of Toronto; W. Kurrle, of Montreal; M. M. Smith, M. O. Smith, C. Blake, H. Burrell, Rev. J. Cross and R. J. Spencer, all of Winnipeg.> ... and some more (not so relevant). Ernest with full name. Manitoba Free Press, Monday 25 July 1904, p. 6:
<The draw in the Dominion chess tourney which begins this morning, in the St. Andrew's society rooms, was made on Saturday night ... The committee consisting of George Patterson, chairman; George Adam, treasurer; C. Blake, corresponding secretary; A. M. Fraser, R. J. Spencer, P. Barry, A. W. Bruce, J. E. A. Wildman, who paired the players by lot, decided when the idea of the tourney was first brought up, that it should be distinctly Canadian. ... Outside players in the tourney are Messrs. Kurrle, Davis and Anstey, Montreal; and E. Saunders, Toronto. Seven local entries give the tourney eleven competitors. The committee regrets exceedingly that Mr. McKinnon of Toronto, representative at the exhibition, of the Pease Foundry company, is unable, owing to pressure of business, to adhere ... The prizes will be: First prize and championship of Canada, and the E. L. Drewry Championship Trophy, and medal, and S100 in cash. Second prize - S60 in cash. Third prize - S40. Fourth prize - S30. Brilliancy prize - S25 special, by E. Saunders, Toronto. Points for adjudication will be referred to J. E. Narraway, Ottawa, who will act as umpire for the tourney, and who will award the special brilliancy prize. In order to assist the prize fund and defray general expenses, a charge of 25 cents for admission will be made to all spectators ...> (and S1 for free admission at all times) <To-day's play. First round - this morning (begins at 10 o'clock instead of 9.30) first named player in each case to play white.1. R. J. Spencer vs. C. Blake
2. H. H. Burrell vs. W. Kurrle
3. Magnus Smith vs. Rev. J. Cross
4. M. O. Smith vs. A. W. Bruce
5. C. F. Anstey vs. T. R. Davies
6. E. Saunders, a bye
Second round - This evening at 7.30 o'clock, last named player in each case to play white. 1. R. Spencer vs. E. Saunders
2. H. H. Burrell vs. C. Blake
3. Magnus Smith vs. W. Kurrle
4. M. O. Smith vs. Rev. J. Cross
5. C. F. Anstey vs. A. W. Bruce
6. T. R. Davies, a bye>
So Saunders vs Spencer would be round 2, 25 July. |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: Next, Manitoba Free Press has a quite long report on 29 July, after 4x2 = 8 rounds but with three adjourned games to be played. A <A. T. Stephenson, Red Deer> has turned up, so there are 12 players. Magnus Smith leading with +6 -0 =2, 2nd is R. J. Spencer with +5 -2 =1, and 9th is E. Saunders with +3 -5 =0. And: <Last night's play: E. Saunders beat W. Kurrle>, so that game is round 8, 28 July. The pairings for rounds 7, 8, 9 and 10 (and results of 7 and 8) are given, without saying who is White and who is Black. |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: Manitoba Free Press, 1 August 1904 p. 6:
Magnus Smith retains the title with +9 -0 =2, Spencer 2nd, Bruce & Kurrie =3rd, Saunders =7th with +5 -5 =1. Pairings: nothing said, except that one game remains to be played: Spencer vs Burrell. "The general impression seems to prevail that none of the games ... are up to a standard that might be termed brilliant. The prize, however, will stand." |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: Manitoba Free Press, 26 July 1904:
Stevenson - Saunders 1-0 in rd. 1. Gives the results of rounds 1-2, and pairings (w/o color) for rounds 3-4. If you need it. |
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Apr-21-16 | | ljfyffe: <Tab>Then 'full name given' pretty well establishes that it is Ernest Saunders of Toronto who plays in the CCA 1897, 98, 99, and 1904 tournaments, does it not?
For one, Stubbs notes the first three named CCA
Championships were all attended by E. Saunders of Toronto, he being the man Stubbs plays in the St, John 1899 simul.
C. Blake is Charles, I having done reasearch
thereon some years back. |
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Apr-21-16 | | ljfyffe: <luft> Date and round...not likely as I would usually take down the info if available, but can always recheck the next time I looking at microfilm. |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: <ljfyffe> It must be him, I suppose Edward was weaker. I tried to find rounds 5 & 6, but MFP 27 July is missing from the online collection. A short note on 28 July says rd. 6 is completed. |
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Apr-21-16 | | ljfyffe: <Tab> That is to say, if E. Saunders is considered
Toronto's "strongest player" in 1904, it can be inferred that would be because he plays in tough games like those at the three CCA championships mentioned by Stubbs in 1899. The very strong inference is Ernest plays in each and every aforementioned CCA that lists a Saunders as a participant. |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: http://www.billgladstone.ca/?p=7151 (Toronto Daily Star, March 13, 1908): <Signed on behalf of the Jewish Benevolent Society, <Ernest Saunders, President>; J. Cohen, J.P. Treasurer; Henry David, Hon. Secretary.> |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: Looks like the "Toronto Daily Mail and Empire" can be accesssed for free (I saw some chess in it): https://news.google.com/newspapers?... |
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Apr-21-16 | | luftforlife: <Tab>: That's good and helpful work. I will incorporate the round number into the PGN headers for Saunders-Spencer (8) (0-1) (1904.07.25) and for Saunders-Kurrie (8) (1-0) (1904.07.28). Do you have a page number for the MPF article from July 29th? Also, I gather Ernest Saunders playing Black lost to A.T. Stephenson in the first round, and so did not have a bye in that round. Is that correct? <ljfyffe>: The use of "Ernest Saunders" in the MPF article of July 25, 1904 and thereafter is consistent with my sources recited in the Saunders Chess Timeline (part two of two): Ernest Saunders (kibitz #124). For ease of reference, here are later known uses of Ernest Saunders's full name: *27th Canadian Championship, Toronto Chess Club, Toronto, Dec. 26, 1908 -- Jan. 2, 1909* Ernest Saunders, Toronto, 8.0/12.0 (tied for fourth place). American Chess Bulletin (New York: Hartwig Cassel & Hermann Helms, pubs. and eds.), Vol. 6, No. 1, Jan. 1909, 20. Photograph of Ernest Saunders [two-tiered grouping, seated, at far right], id. at 28. "Key to the Group Picture," id. at 20. * * *
*Canadian Chess Association formed at meeting of delegates following 1908-09 tourney.* Ernest Saunders, Toronto, one of two Vice-Presidents. Ibid. * * *
*Annual Meeting, Toronto Chess Club, Oct. 13, 1908. Mr. Ernest Saunders elected President.* TBCM, Vol. XXVIII, Nov. 1908, 475. |
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Apr-21-16 | | luftforlife: This evidence from the Manitoba Free Press further confirms and strengthens the attributive connections previously made between E. Saunders of Toronto and Ernest Saunders. |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: <Do you have a page number for the MPF article from July 29th?> Unnumbered, but probably page 8, as 9 and 10 follows. The previous pages have unreadable numbers. I'm not sure if the pages are in succession, the website claims it's page 16. <Also, I gather Ernest Saunders playing Black lost to A.T. Stephenson in the first round, and so did not have a bye in that round. Is that correct? > Yes. From memory: Stephenson had missed the invitation but showed up in the morning when play started. This was convenient, he could be paired with the bye player. |
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Apr-21-16 | | luftforlife: <Tab>: Thanks. Your explanation helps greatly. Now I see that once A.T. Stephenson showed up, he was paired with Ernest Saunders in the first round. Thanks for the page number as best you can discern it. I'll note in the source citation for Saunders-Kurrie (8) (1-0) (1904.07.28) that the pinpoint citation to MFP, 1904.07.29, is to page 8, possibly to page 16. |
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Apr-21-16 | | luftforlife: In addition to Charles F. Stubbs's June 9, 1899 column in St. John Globe (reproduced in American Chess Magazine, Vol. III, No. 1, July 1899, "Chess in Canada," at 28), which describes "E. Saunders" as having placed second at Orillia 1897 (and further describes E. Saunders and his accomplishments), the article about the All-Comers' Tourney held at Winnipeg during Bonspiel in Feburary 1898 makes reference to E. Saunders who won second prize at Orillia 1897. ACM, Vol. I, No. 10, Mar. 1898, at 570-71. As the article, written by well-known chess figure N.H. Greenway, a participant in the tournament, knowingly describes E. Saunders of Winnipeg, late of Montreal, and is accompanied by a photograph provided by Greenway that shows a player named E. Saunders in the All-Comers' Tourney who we know was not Ernest Saunders, we know by necessary inference that it was Ernest Saunders of Toronto who placed second at Orillia 1897. The photographic evidence also confirms that it was Ernest Saunders of Toronto who placed third at Toronto 1898. The tournament photograph from Toronto, April 1898, which includes Saunders [three-tiered grouping, standing, second from left], captioned "Prize Winners in the Recent Tournament of the Canadian Chess Association, held at Toronto," ACM, Vol. II, No. 1, Jul. 1898, 37, shows the same player as does the tournament photograph (two-tiered grouping, seated, at far right) taken more than ten years later, captioned "Players and Officials, Dominion National Tournament (Toronto, Dec. 20 -- Jan. 2)," from Toronto Dec. 1908 - Jan. 1909, which includes Ernest Saunders. American Chess Bulletin (New York: Hartwig Cassel & Hermann Helms, pubs. and eds.), Vol. 6, No. 1, Jan. 1909, 28; "Key to the Group Picture," id. at 20. |
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Apr-21-16
 | | Tabanus: Manitoba Free Press, 26 July 1904 <p. 5>: The text is very blurred, but it says Stephenson had seen the announcement of the tourney in the morning paper, and signified -- wish of competing. "It was very easy to accomodate him, as in the --- it was merely necessary to pair --- the holder of the bye." |
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Apr-21-16 | | luftforlife: <Tab>: Thanks for that confirmation. I've submitted my transcriptions of Saunders-Spencer (2) (0-1) (25th Can. Ch., Winnipeg 1904.07.25) and Saunders-Kurrie (8) (1-0) (25th Can. Ch., Winnipeg 1904.07.28) for upload to the database. Thanks again for providing the dates and rounds those games were played from the Manitoba Free Press. |
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Dec-16-20 | | Larryfyffe: BTW: a problem by William Atkinson (15) of Montreal published in Stubb's 'Canadian Chess Problems" appears in The Queen's Gambit movie series. |
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