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Gelfand 
 
Boris Gelfand
Number of games in database: 2,543
Years covered: 1982 to 2014
Last FIDE rating: 2748 (2719 rapid, 2719 blitz)
Highest rating achieved in database: 2777
Overall record: +512 -267 =1039 (56.7%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      725 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Queen's Indian (117) 
    E12 E15 E17 E16 E13
 Semi-Slav (113) 
    D45 D47 D46 D43 D44
 Slav (110) 
    D15 D17 D10 D11 D12
 King's Indian (108) 
    E92 E94 E97 E98 E73
 Queen's Gambit Declined (84) 
    D37 D38 D31 D39 D30
 Catalan (76) 
    E04 E06 E05 E01 E09
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (399) 
    B90 B92 B23 B30 B96
 Sicilian Najdorf (218) 
    B90 B92 B96 B93 B91
 Petrov (123) 
    C42 C43
 King's Indian (118) 
    E97 E94 E60 E81 E92
 Semi-Slav (88) 
    D43 D45 D47 D44 D48
 Slav (88) 
    D12 D11 D17 D19 D10
Repertoire Explorer

NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Gelfand vs Shirov, 1998 1-0
   Mamedyarov vs Gelfand, 2011 0-1
   Gelfand vs Jobava, 2011 1-0
   Gelfand vs Kramnik, 1994 1-0
   Gelfand vs Adams, 2013 1-0
   Gelfand vs Aronian, 2013 1-0
   Gelfand vs Anand, 2012 1/2-1/2
   Nakamura vs Gelfand, 2013 0-1
   Gelfand vs Anand, 1993 1-0
   Gelfand vs Anand, 2012 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   FIDE World Championship Knockout Tournament (2001)
   FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007)
   Anand - Gelfand World Chess Championship (2012)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Rubinstein Memorial (2000)
   Pamplona Tournament (2004)
   FIDE World Cup (2005)
   World Cup (2009)
   Rising Stars - Experience (2010)
   Bermuda Round Robin (2004)
   16th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2007)
   FIDE Grand Prix London (2012)
   FIDE Jermuk Grand Prix (2009)
   Enghien-les-Bains (2003)
   Karen Asrian Memorial (2008)
   Pivdenny Bank Chess Cup (2008)
   Pivdenny Bank Chess Cup (2007)
   20th Amber Tournament (Blindfold) (2011)
   Olympiad (2008)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Match Gelfand! by amadeus
   Gelfand's Games 4 Study by jakaiden
   Boris Gelfand: My Most Memorable Games by Resignation Trap
   English: Boris Gelfand Collection by chess.master
   Boris in the najdorf by deepthinker
   Najdorf - 6. Be3 by pcmvtal
   USSR Championship 1989 by suenteus po 147

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BORIS GELFAND
(born Jun-24-1968, 46 years old) Belarus (citizen of Israel)

[what is this?]
IM (1987); GM (1989); Soviet Junior Champion (1985); European Junior Champion (1989); Olympiad Gold Medalist (1990); World Cup winner (2009); Candidate (1991, 1994, 2002 (Dortmund - PCA), 2007, 2011 and 2013); World Championship Challenger (2012).

Preamble

Boris Gelfand was born in Minsk in Belarus (formerly part of the USSR), and emigrated to Israel in 1998 where he currently resides.

Championships

<Age> Gelfand won the Junior Championship of the Soviet Union with 9/11 in January 1985, at the age of 16, a half point ahead of Vassily Ivanchuk. He came =1st (2nd on count back to Joel Lautier) in the World Junior Championship in 1988 and became European Junior Champion in 1989.

<World> In 1990, Gelfand won the Manila Interzonal to qualify as a Candidate for the 1993 World Championship. At the 1991 Candidates, he prevailed over Predrag Nikolic, but was then defeated in the quarter final by eventual Candidates winner and championship challenger Nigel Short. He qualified for the FIDE 1994 Candidates event by winning the last Interzonal in Biel, beating Michael Adams and Vladimir Kramnik only to lose to Anatoly Karpov in the finals.

Gelfand competed in all the knockout tournaments that either determined the World Championship, or was part of the World Championship cycle apart from the 2004 tournament in Tripoli. In the knockout tournament that was held in Groningen in 1997, he defeated Lautier in round three, where he was seeded directly because of his results in the last FIDE cycle, and then beat Vladislav Tkachiev and Alexey Dreev before bowing out to the winner of the tournament, Viswanathan Anand. In the world championship knockout tournament of 1999 held in Las Vegas, Gelfand was seeded into the second round where he defeated Jonathan Speelman, and then beat Lautier in round three before losing to the eventual winner, Alexander Khalifman. In 1999 in New Delhi, he was again seeded into round 2 where he defeated Emir Dizdarevic, and then Jeroen Piket in round three before he was defeated by Alexey Shirov in round four. In the 2001-02 knockout tournament held in Moscow, Gelfand lost to Peter Svidler in round 5 after defeating Alexis Cabrera, Leinier Dominguez Perez, Aleksander Delchev and Zurab Azmaiparashvili. He played in the 8-player 2002 Dortmund Tournament, which was the Candidates for the Classical World Chess Championship match in 2004, but failed to reach the semi-finals after coming third in the quadrangular round robin preliminary round.

Gelfand finished 6th at the FIDE World Cup (2005), which produced 10 Candidates for the 2007 Candidates tournament, defeating Watu Kobese, Ruben Felgaer, Levan Pantsulaia, and Dreev in the preliminary rounds. In the two rounds of matches at the 2007 Candidates, Gelfand won both the Candidates Match: Gelfand - Kasimdzhanov (2007) and the Candidates Match: Gelfand - Kamsky (2007) to qualify for the FIDE World Championship Tournament (2007) in Mexico City, where he tied for second with Kramnik, a point behind the winner, Anand. Subsequently, he won the World Cup (2009) by defeating Judit Polgar, the then reigning World Junior Champion Maxime Vachier-Lagrave, Dmitry Jakovenko, and Sergey Karjakin to reach the final, where he then faced former FIDE World Champion Ruslan Ponomariov, winning the match 7-5 in a playoff. In doing so he qualified for the World Championship Candidates (2011) for another shot at the World Championship in 2012. He played and defeated Shakhriyar Mamedyarov by 2.5-1.5 (+1 =3 -0) in the first round of the World Championship Candidates (2011), moving into the semi final where defeated Gata Kamsky in the tiebreaker; the result was 2-2 (+0 -0 =4) in the classical games, 2-2 (+1 -1 =2) in the rapid tiebreaker, and 1.5-0.5 in his favour in the blitz tiebreaker. He faced Alexander Grischuk in the final match, and after five draws, Gelfand won the sixth and final game thus gaining the right to challenge Viswanathan Anand for the world crown. The Anand - Gelfand World Chess Championship (2012) was played in Moscow in May 2012, and Gelfand lost in the rapid game tiebreaker 1.5-2.5 (-1 =3) after drawing the 12 games played under classical time controls 6-6 (+1 -1 =10). As the loser in the World Championship match, he qualified to play in the World Championship Candidates (2013) in London, where he placed a rating-enhancing 5th with 6.5/14 (+2 -3 =9).

Gelfand's 2014 World Championship campaign started well when he placed =1st alongside Veselin Topalov and Shakhriyar Mamedyarov at the FIDE Grand Prix London (2012), scoring 7/11 (+4 -1 =6; TPR 2836) and netting GP 140 points from the event. However, his 10th place out of 12 placement at the FIDE Grand Prix Tashkent (2012) and his =9th at the FIDE Grand Prix Beijing (2013) eliminated him for the contest for the top two in the Grand Prix series, and attendant qualification into the 2014 Candidates Tournament. However, a strongly motivated player, Gelfand placed =1st (2nd on tiebreak) at the FIDE Grand Prix Paris (2013) alongside Fabiano Caruana to place 4th in the Grand Prix series with 325 points.

He had another chance to qualify for the Candidates via the World Cup (2013) to which he qualified by rating; he defeated Bangladeshi GM Ziaur Rahman in the first round, Uzbek GM Anton Filippov in the 2nd round and Ukrainian GM Alexander Moiseenko in the third round. However, he was eliminated by eventual semi-finalist French GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave in the Round of 16 (round 4), reversing the same result against the same player in the same round of the World Cup of 2009.

Tournaments

Gelfand has an imposing tournament record dating back to the late 80s. He won or came =1st at Klajpeda 1988, Majorca (GMA) 1989, Moscow 1992, Wijk aan Zee 1992, Manila 1993, Chalkidiki 1993, Biel 1993, Dos Hermanas 1994, Debrecen and Belgrade in 1995, Vienna and Tilburg in 1996, Polanica Zdroj in 1998 and 2000, and Malmö in 1999. He also won at Pamplona Tournament (2004). In 2005, he was =1st with Pentala Harikrishna at the Bermuda International (2005) and 1st at 38th Biel Chess Festival (2005). In 2010 he was in the Experience Team that narrowly lost against the Rising Stars at the Rising Stars - Experience (2010), although he top scored in the tournament with 7/10. He also won outright first with 7/10 at the 2010 NH Tournament in the Netherlands.

Other strong results include 2nd at Linares 1990, 3rd at Tilburg 1990, 3rd at the Reggio Emilia of 1991/92, 2nd in the category 16 tournament in Munich 1993, 3rd at Dortmund in 1996, 2nd in the 14th Dr Milan Vidmar Memorial tournament in Slovenia, 3rd at Biel 2001, 2nd at the category 18 tournament in Cannes in 2002 behind Topalov, =3rd at Dortmund Sparkassen (2006), and 4th at the Tal Memorial (2006) a half point behind joint leaders, Ponomariov, Peter Leko and Levon Aronian. In 2009, he came 2nd behind Ivanchuk at Bazna Tournament (2009). Also in 2010, he came 2nd in the King's Tournament (2010) behind Magnus Carlsen. In the lead up to his World Championship contest with Anand, Gelfand competed at the category 21 Tata Steel (2012) tournament at Wijk aan Zee, finishing 9th out of 13, scoring 5/13 (+2 -5 =6; TPR 2675). In April/May 2013, he came =1st with 5.5/9 at the category 20 Alekhine Memorial (2013), coming 2nd on tiebreak behind Aronian and then went one better in June with an extraordinary outright win at the category 22 Tal Memorial (2013) - ahead of outright 2nd placed Magnus Carlsen - on the day before his 45th birthday. This result also raised his rating to a career high of 2773 in the July lists and returned him to the top 10.

Gelfand’s results in the FIDE Grand Prix 2008-2010 were modest, coming 11th.

Olympiads

Gelfand played in ten Chess Olympiads, representing the Soviet Union once (1990), Belarus twice (1994 and 1996), and Israel eight times (2000-2014). In 1990, he won the team gold medal playing board 2 for Soviet Union, in the Olympiad (2008) held in Dresden, he won the team silver medal and also individual silver medal playing board 1 for Israel and in the Chess Olympiad (2010) held in Khantiy Mansiysk, he won team bronze playing board 1 for Israel.

Team

Gelfand is a team player and has participated in the German Bundesliga, and team championships in Israel, Spain, Poland, and Russia. He has also been part of the European Team Championships, the European Club Cup, the Russian Club Cup and the World Team Championships in 2005 and 2009. One of his best results was assisting his Moscow team ShSM-64 to win the Russian Team Championships (2010) with 16 out of a possible 18 match points. Playing for SHSM-64, he won team bronze at the 28th European Club Cup (2012) concluded in October 2012.

Match

Outside of the world championship cycle, Gelfand has played matches in France against Etienne Bacrot in 2002 which he lost 2.5-3.5, and a drawn match (2-2) against David Navara in the Czech Republic in 2006.

Rapids

Like most top players, Gelfand is a skilled rapid player. He was =1st with Kramnik in the rapid play section of the 2001 Amber event, and outright 1st in the 2002 edition of Amber's rapid play section. He came first in the 2002 Cap d'Agde, defeating Karpov in the final. In 2003, he defeated Polgar in the George Marx Rapid Match (2003) and in 2007, he came =1st at the Villa de Canada de Calatrava (2007), following up with =1st at the Pivdenny Bank Chess Cup (2008) in Odessa. He also won the 2009 ACP World Rapid Cup (2009) with a 3-1 win over Svidler in the finals and won the Leko - Gelfand Match (2010) rapid match in Hungary by 4.5-3.5. Most recently, he defeated Aronian in the Leon Rapid (2010) and made the final of the London Chess Classic (Knockout) (2013). However in July, he lost a rapid match to Svidler by 3-5.

Ratings

Gelfand rating as of 1 September 2014 is:

<Standard> 2748, and is therefore Israel's top player and #17 in the world;

<Rapid> 2719 (world #33); and

<Blitz> 2719 (inactive).

Other

In 2005, Gelfand published a book titled My Most Memorable Games.

Interview: Part 1 - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...; Part 2 - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... and Part 3 - http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail... Live rating list: http://www.2700chess.com/ Extended biography of Gelfand at the official FIDE 2012 World Championship website: http://moscow2012.fide.com/en/prese... Article by the Indian Express dated 6 May 2012: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/m...


 page 1 of 102; games 1-25 of 2,544  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Gelfand vs Veremeichik 0-147 1982 MinskE12 Queen's Indian
2. B Maryasin vs Gelfand 1-066 1983 BLR-chB95 Sicilian, Najdorf, 6...e6
3. Gelfand vs V Litvinov  1-037 1983 BLR-chB93 Sicilian, Najdorf, 6.f4
4. S Yuferov vs Gelfand  1-054 1983 BLR-chA54 Old Indian, Ukrainian Variation, 4.Nf3
5. V Dydyshko vs Gelfand  1-041 1983 BLR-chE94 King's Indian, Orthodox
6. Gelfand vs B Malisov  1-056 1983 BLR-chB07 Pirc
7. P Korzubov vs Gelfand 0-157 1983 BLR-chB93 Sicilian, Najdorf, 6.f4
8. Gelfand vs A Kovalev  0-138 1983 BLR-chB62 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer
9. B Itkis vs Gelfand  1-040 1983 BLR-chA48 King's Indian
10. Gelfand vs Veremeichik  1-059 1983 BLR-chA46 Queen's Pawn Game
11. Gelfand vs Ivanchuk ½-½19 1985 USSRC05 French, Tarrasch
12. S Temirbaev vs Gelfand  1-053 1985 URSE76 King's Indian, Four Pawns Attack
13. Gelfand vs Ulibin 1-030 1985 YurmalaC03 French, Tarrasch
14. Gelfand vs Glek  ½-½32 1985 tE73 King's Indian
15. T Tabatadze vs Gelfand  ½-½55 1985 LeningradB87 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin with ...a6 and ...b5
16. M Golubev vs Gelfand ½-½49 1985 KlaipedaB87 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin with ...a6 and ...b5
17. J Klovans vs Gelfand ½-½43 1986 USSRB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
18. Y Yakovich vs Gelfand  ½-½29 1986 MinskD37 Queen's Gambit Declined
19. Paunovic vs Gelfand  0-153 1986 It (cat.9)E94 King's Indian, Orthodox
20. Gelfand vs Dorfman 0-138 1986 MinskD85 Grunfeld
21. R Gunawan vs Gelfand  0-136 1986 MinskE81 King's Indian, Samisch
22. L Janjghava vs Gelfand  ½-½17 1986 URSD93 Grunfeld, with Bf4 & e3
23. Smirin vs Gelfand  ½-½32 1986 USSRB90 Sicilian, Najdorf
24. Gelfand vs Balashov  ½-½54 1986 Gelfand,B; Kapengut,AD26 Queen's Gambit Accepted
25. Gelfand vs A Ryskin  1-034 1986 MinskB63 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack
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Kibitzer's Corner
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Feb-01-12  voyager39: <Eggman> That's all I am saying (that he is an elite GM), plus the fact that he has always had the potential to be a World Champion.
Feb-01-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Diademas: Amazing. The Challenger for the World Championship is now up to 20 pages of kibitzing.

An 18 year old Phillipno GM, ranked 101 in the world, has 4720. Go figure.

Feb-02-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eggman: <<plus the fact that he has always had the potential to be a World Champion.>>

Do you think Gelfand is different in this respect from, say, Ljubojevic or Short or Yusupov?

Feb-02-12  voyager39: <Eggman> <Do you think Gelfand is different in this respect from, say, Ljubojevic or Short or Yusupov?>

Most certainly. Gelfand is much superior to Ljubojevic, Short or Yusupov.

Feb-02-12  voyager39: <Diademas> Nice observation. Wish you could give us the reason too.
Feb-02-12  drkodos: Gelfand has improved and made long term serious impact and influence in several opening sysytems -- more so than the others mentioned.
Feb-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eggman: What is the reasoning by which Gelfand is superior, let alone much superior, to Yusupov or Short? Yusupov has been ranked third in the world, defeated Ivanchuk in the candidates when Ivanchuk was ranked #2 in the world, gave Karpov a close call in their candidates match, among other things. And Short has been ranked third in the world, and en route to winning the candidates he defeated Karpov and Gelfand himself. You'd have a tough time making an argument that Gelfand is superior to Short at all, let alone much superior. Gelfand has had a longer tenure among the elite, but that by itself is no checkmate, IMO.
Feb-04-12  bronkenstein: <Eggman>, by mentioning almost everything that Short and Yusupov did while reducing gelfy to simple <a longer tenure among the elite> remark, you can ´prove´ anything you want.
Feb-04-12  solskytz: <HeMateMe>: <He's getting a payday, I think at least $1.5 mil, even if he loses the match. Well done.>

Exactly! "Money for nothing and chicks for free"...

all you got to do is bring yourself up to around 2750 elo, win the world cup or qualify through zonals and interzonals, beat some guys like Grischuk, Kamsky, Mamedaryov in matches... and that's it - 1.5 million are yours. Easy huh?

Feb-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eggman: <<<Eggman>, by mentioning almost everything that Short and Yusupov did while reducing gelfy to simple <a longer tenure among the elite> remark, you can ´prove´ anything you want.>>

I was simply pointing out the main differences that speak in favour of each. I think if you made a list of what else these players have accomplished, it more-or-less evens out.

Feb-04-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: <all you got to do is bring yourself up to around 2750 elo, win the world cup or qualify through zonals and interzonals, beat some guys like Grischuk, Kamsky, Mamedaryov in matches... >

Here is Gelfand's way to this WC match:

Qualified to the World Cup 2009 by rating (actually he was the top seed there, along with Gashimov, who also qualified by rating).

R1: 1.5-0.5 vs Obodchuk
R2: 1.5-0.5 vs Amonatov
R3: Win on rapids (2.5-0.5) vs Polgar
R4: Win on blitz (1.5-0.5) vs Vachier-Lagrave
QF: Win on rapids (2.5-0.5) vs Jakovenko
SF: 2-0 vs Karjakin
F: Win on second blitz vs Ponomariov.

As World Cup winner qualified to the Candidates. There:

QF: 2.5-1.5 vs Mamedyarov
SF: win on blitz (2-0) vs Kamsky
F: 3.5-2.5 vs Grischuk

As Candidates winner WC match reached.

....

Anand's way, by the way, starts back in times when the title was split - to my knowledge the last contender of current or future cycles who can claim the "roots" of his participation in split times. Here it is:

Qualified to San Luis 2005 by rating. Reached 2nd place there with 8.5/14 (behind Topalov; with two defeats, from Morozevich and Kasimdzhanov) which qualified him to Mexico 2007.

Wom Mexico 2007, with 9/14 (undefeated) and became World Champion.

Defended his title vs Kramnik 2008 (6.5-4.5; 3-1 on wins)

Defended his title vs Topalov 2010 (6.5-5.5; 3-2 on wins).

Feb-04-12  bronkenstein: <I think if you made a list of what else these players have accomplished, it more-or-less evens out.> Not even close. For example , just check the Gelfy/Short bios here (or offer the comparative lists , if you think bios are incomplete or too narrow).

PS I also recommend you to read poor excuse of Yusupov`s CG bio for a good laugh , they managed not to mention almost anything there =)

Feb-05-12
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  Eggman: Gelfand's bio goes into more detail, not because there actually is more detail necessarily, but because, as a player who is currently in the elite, there is much more interest in him; also his results, being more recent, are probably easier to look up. In Short's bio there is hardly any mention of his results from his prime years, the '80s and '90s. This surely isn't because there are no results to mention.
Feb-05-12  bronkenstein: <In Short's bio there is hardly any mention of his results from his prime years, the '80s and '90s> Trying to evade again...Any info on what they missed?(and , it would have to be A LOT).
Feb-05-12  voyager39: <Eggman> <What is the reasoning by which Gelfand is superior, let alone much superior, to Yusupov or Short?>

I will justify my statement. Let's take them one at a time.

Ljubojevic - 14 years as a top 20 player out of which 6 years were as a top 10 player. He was #10 in 1975 when ratings started and the last time he was in top 10 was in 1987 (that's 12 years being an elite player).

Short - 16 years top 20, out of which 6 years were in top 10. The first time he was in top 10 was in 1987 and the last time he was there was in 1997 (that's a decade being an elite player).

Yusupov - 13 years top 20, out of which 3 years were in top 10. The first time he was in top 10 was in 1986 and the last time he was there was in 1992 (that's 6 years being an elite player).

Contrast to Gelfand - 23 years top 20, out of which 11 years were in top 10. The first time he was in top 10 was in 1991 and the last time he was there was in 2010 (that's 19 years being an elite player).

Based on above I am fully convinced that we can't compare Gelfand to Ljubojevic, Short or Yusupov. He's much better.

Feb-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: So holding for 50 years at #10 is better than holding a #1 position for a single list? (rapidly accending to there and declining as rapidly) :D
Feb-05-12  voyager39: <solskytz> Just to put things in proper perspective, what you call as <some guys like Grischuk, Kamsky, Mamedaryov> were actually part of a larger group that included Kramnik, Topalov, Aronian and Radjabov...besides Gelfand himself.

You can't claim that the best weren't fighting for the honour.

Feb-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: <Also to be understood is that there is hardly much to choose between any of the top 10 players.>

Currently, yes. But not in Fischer's Karpov's or Kasparov's times, when the #1 player was head and shoulders above the rest.

Feb-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: By the way, your statistics is wrong.

Ljubojevic entered the top-10 in 1975 (but that's not when the ratings started) and appeared it in for the last time in <1990> (top-20: 1974-1990).

Short appeared in the top-10 in <1986> for the first time and in 1997 for the last one (top-20: 1985-2004).

Jussupow's first top-10 appearance was in 1986 and for the last time in <1995> (top-20: 1981-1997).

For Gelfand, it's 1990-2010 (top-20: from 1990 on).

Feb-05-12  voyager39: <alexmagnus> <So holding for 50 years at #10 is better than holding a #1 position for a single list?> Absolutely and undoubtedly. Such a player would surely inspire a lot more kids and contribute much more to the game over his prolonged career. Such longevity is also a mark of strength against varied opponents and through varying circumstances. It also shows a sound character and upbringing.

#1 over a short timeframe merely translates into a maverick who ultimately failed in life.

So one can be Bernie Madoff (or the Eurozone) and run the most famous ponzi scheme before ending up in prison. Or one can be Warren Buffet, educating and making a lot of people wealthy over 50 years.

Feb-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: And if we take top-100:

Gelfand: From 1988 on

Jussupow: 1981-2003

Ljubojevic: 1971-1996 on Elo (which is, although Elo didn't exist prior to 1971, about exact, Chessmetrics puts him top-100 in 1970-1997).

Short: From 1983 on

Feb-05-12  voyager39: <alexmagnus> <By the way, your statistics is wrong> Mine are based on the January ratings which are a holistic way to compare because the frequency has changed from yearly to half yearly to quarterly over a period of time. And even if we take the non January ratings into account (as you have rightly pointed out); the fact that Gelfand is much superior to Ljubojevic, Short and Yusupov still very clearly stands out. That's all I was trying to justify without confusing the issue.
Feb-05-12  voyager39: <alexmagnus> Top 100 is casting your net too wide. I'd restrict myself to top 10 and at best stretch it to top 20. That's how we generally recognise the best players.
Feb-06-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  Eggman: Having a longer reign in the top ten just proves that you were at that level longer, not that you were at a higher level, n'est pas? I don't think that greater longevity, by itself, necessarily equals greater.

What Short did that Gelfand didn't do was win the Candidates, the second greatest thing you can accomplish in chess (Gelfand's recent win surely doesn't compare, through no fault of his own), and Short is the only man other than GK to beat Karpov in a match. These things are a big deal.

AND when he and Gelfand contested a match Short won it. I wouldn't dismiss that either.

Feb-06-12  Poulsen: Who is the better player: Ljubojevic, Yusupov, Short or Gelfand? You can argue all you want, but there is no definitiv answer to that.

Hell, if I wanted I could argue, that Oldrich Duras was as good a player as Paul Morphy!

But it does not really matter. What matters is the fact that Gelfand now has a real shot at the title. He might very well be the next WCh.

Remember this: the Challenger and the World Champion are not necessarily the two best players in the world. In fact that has been the case at many world championship matches.

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