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|Aug-24-12|| ||hellopolgar: By the age of 28, Robert Huebner got his Ph.D, became a GM in chess. I am almost 28 myself, yet i am struggling around 1700 on FICS blitz, and still just trying to finish my master's thesis...|
|Aug-24-12|| ||hellopolgar: on the other hand, I definitely know more about World of Warcraft and Game of Thrones than Robert Huebner. :P|
|Oct-18-12|| ||Nightsurfer: Hi <hellopolgar>, thank you so much for sharing with us that very game that <Robert Huebner> has played and lost to the most legendary Chinese Xiangqi player, <xie xie>!|
|Nov-06-12|| ||talisman: happy birthday to one of the greats!|
|Nov-06-12|| ||whiteshark: Many happy returns of the Day, Robert Huebner!|
|Nov-06-13|| ||Kikoman: <Player of the Day>|
Happy 65th Birthday GM Robert Huebner! God bless! :D
|Nov-06-13|| ||Eastfrisian: On the chessgames - index site his year of birth is given with "1976" !!!.|
Congrats Dr. Hübner. For long years you haven been the German chess hero.
|Nov-06-13|| ||Penguincw: Happy Birthday Robert Huebner!|
|Nov-06-13|| ||lost in space: Happy Birthday, Robert|
|Nov-06-13|| ||parisattack: His book 'Twenty-Five Annotated Games' is a modern classic. The games are analyzed to incredible depth - the book is 400+ pages.|
Alas, its gotten to be an expensive tome - last one to sale on eBay went for $84.00; $200.00 on Amazon. The original German edition is some less expensive, however. Perhaps SS will get hold of it, make a K-Mart quality re-issue.
|Nov-06-13|| ||whiteshark: Hyvää syntymäpäivää!
<parisattack> There's no German edition. ("I was too lazy to translate the whole book into German.." R.H.)
--> Game Collection: xx_25 Annotated Games (by Robert Huebner)
|Nov-06-13|| ||whiteshark: Price: € 34,- ( direct from the Publisher: Edition Marco, VERLAG Arno Nickel )|
|Nov-06-13|| ||parisattack: You're right! Thinking of his 'Errors' book in German.|
|Nov-06-13|| ||Howard: Not to begrudge Huebner, but a lot of people weren't happy at all when he prematurely resigned his Candidates final against Korchnoi, in late 1980.|
After eight games, Korchnoi was up by a point, with two adjourned games yet to be finished. He had a significant advantage in one of them, so it was possible Huebner was looking at a two-point deficit with six games remaining in this best-of-16 match.
Still, it seemed inappropriate of Huebner just to abandon the match....especially since he did the same thing with Petrosian in 1971 ! In that case, he was down by only one point with three games to go.
In both cases, he complained about match conditions as leading to his decision.
|Nov-06-13|| ||parisattack: High strung or perhaps nervous condition. I recall other more minor but similar instances reported of him in the 70s.|
|Nov-09-13|| ||whiteshark: <Aber nach einigem Zögern habe ich mich entschlossen, für diesmal auf die Ausübung von Weisheit zu verzichten.>|
- Robert Hübner
|Nov-13-13|| ||duchamp64: <parisattack> We have a lot in common and I would like to converse. How to get in contact with you? Please look up my profile and search the internet for my email address. Thanks.|
|Nov-13-13|| ||TheFocus: <duchamp64> I have e-mailed <parisattack> and asked him to check in here.|
|Apr-15-14|| ||offramp: My guess is that if one is highly qualified academically (<whiteshark: He did his Ph.D. with <summa cum laude>>) then chess loses its importance in one's everyday life - no matter how good one is at chess. |
And I suppose that if all one can do is play chess, if chess is one's only skill, then it becomes over-important.
If Hübner was playing in some chess match and disliked the venue or the conditions he may have thought to himself, "What am I doing sitting here? I could be lollygagging in front of a class of teenagers in Dusseldorf! I'm orf!"
|May-07-14|| ||zanzibar: I haven't the time to go back over all the previous kibitzing - sorry if this is a repeat:|
<RE: Korchnoi - Hübner Candidates Final Match (1980)>
<Tanbanus> has a nice writeup describing some of the ordeals Huebner faced at the time which led to his withdrawal.
Korchnoi - Hübner Candidates Final (1980)
By the way, what is the rationale behind ever having *any* overlapping games conducted in a head-to-head match? That strikes me as just plain wrong since only two players are involved.
And having two adjournments while starting a third game?! That cannot possibly lead to better chess being played.
<RE: Huebner's Academic Career>
Knowning Huebner has an academic career is easy, but finding out exactly what is his field of study is fairly difficult. Well, it was for me, but eventually I found the following:
<This German grandmaster was born in 1948. The son of a classical philologist, Hübner grew up in Cologne and did his PhD in classical philology (1973). Even when Hübner had made his international breakthrough, he (at first) remained a semi-professional and in addition to chess he continued to devote himself to his academic work on the deciphering of ancient papyri. Hübner, who is reputed for having mastered more than a dozen languages, [...]>
So, he's went back to lollygag with a bunch of reeds, not a bunch of tweeds.
|May-07-14|| ||zanzibar: Oh, by the way, here is ChessBase's take on Huebner's forfeiture against Korchnoi 1980:|
<Hübner was in the lead with 3.5:2.5 when in the seventh game he blundered away a rook. This disaster apparently considerably disturbed Hübner's equilibrium and he resigned the match on the score of 3.5:4.5 (the adjourned games nine and ten were never completed).>
Again, see <Tabanus>'s writeup for other details and more context.
|May-07-14|| ||Petrosianic: <By the way, what is the rationale behind ever having *any* overlapping games conducted in a head-to-head match? That strikes me as just plain wrong since only two players are involved.>|
I don't know the rationale, but it was fairly common in the old days. Fischer-Taimanov Game 3 was played (and adjourned) while Game 2 was still adjourned. Although in that case, Game 2 was adjourned twice, so there's some rationale.
|May-07-14|| ||zanzibar: <Petrosianic> I suppose there's scheduling considerations for the public gallery as well - who would presumably prefer to see opening play vs endgame play.|
But the multiple adjournments can make for bizarre match play. Like could a match be won while adjourned games are still pending?
|May-07-14|| ||Petrosianic: It is bizarre, yes. And that's exactly what happened in Korchnoi-Huebner, of course, but only because one player resigned prematurely.|
I haven't heard of a case like you're suggesting, though. Where a match was won in the normal course of events with games adjourned. But let's imagine that with Fischer-Taimanov:
Suppose the score is 5-0 for Fischer. Game 6 is adjourned. The match isn't over yet, so they play Game 7. Fischer wins that Game, making the score 6-0.
So, what happens to Game 6? Do they just forget about it? Or do they finish it? If they finish it and Fischer wins, then the score is 7-0 in a Best of 10 Match, which shouldn't be possible.
I can't think of a single case where something like that happened, which is odd. You'd think that after all the years of adjournments, it would have.
|May-08-14|| ||zanzibar: Thanks <Petrosianic>, that's a good example of what can happen.|
I was thinking about this a little more, and tried to have some fun by carrying out the idea to the extreme, arriving at this harebrained scheme:
Phase 1: Opening Match
Suppose the match had <N> games (take N=10 or 20). Each game is played to 20 moves then adjourned. All <N> games must be played.
Of course games can end before adjournment, and are immediately scored.
Phase 2: Middlegame Match
Now pick a game at random, play resumes at move 21 and adjourns at 40. Continue picking games from the opening phase pool till empty.
Again, all games that make it to move 40 are adjourned for the next phase.
Phase 3: Endgame Match
Same idea, resume play for moves 41 to 60, etc. Again, pick a game at random from the pool.
First to win 6 (or 10, or ... ??) is the winner.
Modifications to the idea is to allow a panel of judges to select the game to resume during each phase after the opening seeding.
Or go for decisive play. Have a engine pick best eval for one player, then the other, alternating.
I haven't thought too much about the advantages/disadvantages to the quality of play. But it is a different idea of structuring a match, suggested by this discussion, reductio ad absurdum.
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