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|May-07-14|| ||Petrosianic: <By the way, what is the rationale behind ever having *any* overlapping games conducted in a head-to-head match? That strikes me as just plain wrong since only two players are involved.>|
I don't know the rationale, but it was fairly common in the old days. Fischer-Taimanov Game 3 was played (and adjourned) while Game 2 was still adjourned. Although in that case, Game 2 was adjourned twice, so there's some rationale.
|May-07-14|| ||zanzibar: <Petrosianic> I suppose there's scheduling considerations for the public gallery as well - who would presumably prefer to see opening play vs endgame play.|
But the multiple adjournments can make for bizarre match play. Like could a match be won while adjourned games are still pending?
|May-07-14|| ||Petrosianic: It is bizarre, yes. And that's exactly what happened in Korchnoi-Huebner, of course, but only because one player resigned prematurely.|
I haven't heard of a case like you're suggesting, though. Where a match was won in the normal course of events with games adjourned. But let's imagine that with Fischer-Taimanov:
Suppose the score is 5-0 for Fischer. Game 6 is adjourned. The match isn't over yet, so they play Game 7. Fischer wins that Game, making the score 6-0.
So, what happens to Game 6? Do they just forget about it? Or do they finish it? If they finish it and Fischer wins, then the score is 7-0 in a Best of 10 Match, which shouldn't be possible.
I can't think of a single case where something like that happened, which is odd. You'd think that after all the years of adjournments, it would have.
|May-08-14|| ||zanzibar: Thanks <Petrosianic>, that's a good example of what can happen.|
I was thinking about this a little more, and tried to have some fun by carrying out the idea to the extreme, arriving at this harebrained scheme:
Phase 1: Opening Match
Suppose the match had <N> games (take N=10 or 20). Each game is played to 20 moves then adjourned. All <N> games must be played.
Of course games can end before adjournment, and are immediately scored.
Phase 2: Middlegame Match
Now pick a game at random, play resumes at move 21 and adjourns at 40. Continue picking games from the opening phase pool till empty.
Again, all games that make it to move 40 are adjourned for the next phase.
Phase 3: Endgame Match
Same idea, resume play for moves 41 to 60, etc. Again, pick a game at random from the pool.
First to win 6 (or 10, or ... ??) is the winner.
Modifications to the idea is to allow a panel of judges to select the game to resume during each phase after the opening seeding.
Or go for decisive play. Have a engine pick best eval for one player, then the other, alternating.
I haven't thought too much about the advantages/disadvantages to the quality of play. But it is a different idea of structuring a match, suggested by this discussion, reductio ad absurdum.
|Sep-08-14|| ||Refused: <Knowning Huebner has an academic career is easy, but finding out exactly what is his field of study is fairly difficult. Well, it was for me, but eventually I found the following:|
<This German grandmaster was born in 1948. The son of a classical philologist, Hübner grew up in Cologne and did his PhD in classical philology (1973). Even when Hübner had made his international breakthrough, he (at first) remained a semi-professional and in addition to chess he continued to devote himself to his academic work on the deciphering of ancient papyri. Hübner, who is reputed for having mastered more than a dozen languages, [...]>
So, he's went back to lollygag with a bunch of reeds, not a bunch of tweeds.>
The part about his academics is not 100% accurate.
He is papyrologist which is probably closer to History than to Philology. But yes, he is rumored to speak many languages and is also working as a translator. Finnish and Finland in general is something he is rumoredly particularly fond of.
|Sep-08-14|| ||offramp: <Finnish and Finland in general is something he is rumoredly particularly fond of.>|
Can't finish a match though.
|Nov-06-14|| ||mike1: Chessbase confirms in their article
"Robert Hübner wird 65" that he is now more into singing and painting than chess. Further he is said to newly translate the "Ilias" by Homer and translate works from Finnish.
link (German though): http://de.chessbase.com/post/robert...
|Nov-06-14|| ||celtrusco: Happy birthday!|
|Nov-06-14|| ||Chatu Ranga: Herzlichen Glückwunsch zum Geburtstag, Herr Dr. Hübner!|
|Nov-06-14|| ||Richard Taylor: <mike1> I think you meant to type 'Iliad' (Or is it 'Illiad'?)...To translate that is no mean feat. I have read one version in English. Finnish. Interesting. I believe it is closest to Estonian. But I have no idea, as I really only know English. Huebner is clearly a highly talented man. He is wise to have other interests than chess. Chess can be a very disheartening game. He is about the same age as I am.|
|Nov-06-14|| ||keypusher: <Richard Taylor><mike1> <I think you meant to type 'Iliad' (Or is it 'Illiad'?)...To translate that is no mean feat. I have read one version in English.>|
Iliados in Greek, Iliad in English, Ilias in German. I would love to see Huebner's book about the Steinitz-Lasker match.
|May-10-15|| ||TheFocus: < Chess is thriving. There are ever less round robin tournaments and ever more World Champions> - Robert Huebner.|
|May-10-15|| ||TheFocus: <Those who say they understand Chess, understand nothing> - Robert Huebner.|
|Nov-06-15|| ||lost in space: Happy Birthday, GM Hübner|
|Nov-06-15|| ||grasser: Happy Birthday! Although for some reason I thought you had died years ago. Sorry about that.|
|Nov-06-15|| ||whiteshark: Review of his latest book - <Elements of an autobiography> http://de.chessbase.com/post/huebne... (in German)|
|Nov-06-15|| ||Chessical: From the "Chessbase" Review by André Schulz, it appears that this is a book of reflections rather than of any games. |
In "Elements of an Autobiography" Huebner indirectly presents himself by inviting the reader to become acquainted with his thoughts on certain topics... (The) book contains 25 essays, which have developed according to Huebner over a period of 40 years. Some of these essays have already been published elsewhere, others are new.
The essays are in part descriptions of everyday things, for example, train journies, which proved to be much more difficult than Huebner had expected. The book begins with descriptions of Finnish landscapes, but even here, for example, his obvious desire for peace and harmony is disturbed by wandering dogs or by the strange behaviour of a man. The book also includes linguistic texts, allegories and parables.
|Nov-06-15|| ||keypusher: <chessical> <whiteshark> Sounds fascinating :-) but I decided to get the Lasker-Steinitz match book instead. Happy birthday grandmaster!|
|Nov-06-15|| ||diagonal: At the Skopje Olympiad 1972, where he won the gold medal on first board, Robert Hübner inflicted the first and only (!) defeat on Tigran Petrosian in ten Olympiads. |
In 1990 at Novi Sad, Robert Hübner won another individual gold medal: he made the highest ELO rating performance of all competitors and was also member of the national team who won silver in Istanbul Olympiad in 2000. In total, Hübner played eleven times at the Olympiad for (West) Germany.
Happy birthday, Doc!
|Nov-06-15|| ||roriray35: Happy birthday grandmaster Hubner. Had the honour of playing a five minute game with you in Castlebar in 1969 after you won the Castlebar tournament.You won the five minute fun tournament as well !.|
|Jun-07-16|| ||posoo: DIS MAN has no busonoss on deze pages. LOOK AT DA NOTABLE GAMES, ALL DRAUGHS|
Da posoo is crying.
|Jan-19-17|| ||Olavi: Hübner also reached the Candidates in 1990, losing the match against Timman the following year. I see the Wiki article also lacks that.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||Petrosianic: He didn't. You're thinking of the 1991-1993 cycle.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||Olavi: He qualified from the 1990 Manila Interzonal for that cycle and lost that first match.|
|Jan-19-17|| ||RookFile: Game Collection: Timman - Huebner, WCC 1991|
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