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|Jul-06-09|| ||edbermac: "Also not to be missed is his explanation of Fischer's flop at Buenos Aires, 1960 (it involves
GM Larry Evans, a sum of money, and a friendly, well-endowed woman of flexible virtue)"|
So what is the story Donner tells about Fischer and the woman in Buenos Aires? Brad Darrach mentions something about this in Bobby Fischer vs the Rest of the World.
Please include as many salacious details as possible!
|Jul-06-09|| ||brankat: A strong GM, a very fine author possesed of a unique sense of humour, Mr.J.H.Donner has been missed very much, but his games and literary work live on. |
R.I.P. GM Donner.
|Jul-06-09|| ||returnoftheking: <Donner reminds me of the trolls that inhabit the Kramnik page.>|
J. H. Donner was actually one of the more likable characters of his -influential- family (many politicians and high ranking civil servants, and even now a relative of him is leader of the department of justice).
|Jul-06-09|| ||wordfunph: Liu Wenzhe was the first Chinese chess master and China’s first chess player to defeat a grandmaster. At the 1978 Olympiad in Buenos Aires, he defeated Dutch GM Jan Hein Donner. After he resigned, Donner remarked to another Westerner, "When they have the first
international tournament in Peking, Donner will be the first European invited."|
HAPPY BIRTHDAY GM Jan Hein DONNER!!!
|Jul-06-09|| ||ketchuplover: Any relation to the Donner party?|
|Jul-06-09|| ||parisattack: I am so pleased his book has been reprinted! The original edition is very difficult to find - and it is such a wonderful read.|
Happy B-Day to you Jan Hein!
|Jul-06-09|| ||testguy: In essence JH Donner has become like his own view of Mulisch: the octopus hiding behind clouds of ink (ink on paper, of course). An enigmatic, solemny interesting character. I don't know of his latter writings have been translated in English, but those are very good as well. |
Chesswise, JH Donner was notoriously careless and inconsistant. Capable of wonderful brilliancies and utter faillure, even in his heyday.
Lehmann vs J H Donner, 1965
One of his last games is this funny win over one of the first chess computers. "what I basically did, was nothing. A billiard player would call it carotte.
J H Donner vs Belle, 1982
|Jul-06-09|| ||WhiteRook48: if he was ahead of Botvinnik why didn't I hear of him before?|
|Jul-06-09|| ||Caissanist: "Capable of wonderful brilliancies and utter faillure, even in his heyday."|
After reading <The King>, I'd say that that's a fair verdict not only for Donner the chessplayer, but for Donner the writer as well.
|Jul-07-09|| ||whiteshark: <blacksburg: ...< i don't understand where all the raving reviews come from... <Donner reminds me of the trolls that inhabit the Kramnik page.>>> Necessarily no contradiction. :D|
|Jul-22-09|| ||Sem: Petrosianic, I am responding to your question of Sept. 30, 2008. I tried to find Donner's article about Fischer, but in vain. What I did come across were various other articles by him about Fischer's mental health, written in the 1970s. They were interesting enough, but not what I had in mind.
I seem to remember that Donner once reasoned that in his chess career Fischer - brought up in a family without a father - needed a father figure above him that he could destroy with a vengeance. Once he would be world champion he would have become that figure himself and would therefore find himself in a vacuum. He would no longer be able to direct his fierce aggression, which would simply derange him.|
|Sep-02-09|| ||redwhitechess: just read "the King", very hilarious. i never knew his personality before read this book I only know him by this game : Liu Wenzhe vs J H Donner, 1978|
His writing is very original. Remind me of another weird chess personality, Tony Miles.
|Jul-06-10|| ||wordfunph: One day, GM Jan Hein Donner received a letter from an inmate of an asylum for the insane, impeaching him (Donner) as the FalseGrandMasterDonner and urging him to retreat, signing himself (the lunatic) as the TrueGrandMasterDonner. Donner considered this the greatest recognition a man can get.|
|Aug-29-10|| ||Dredge Rivers: Contrary to popular belief, the Donner Pass is not named for him!|
|Dec-10-11|| ||wordfunph: based on Daniel King's book How Good is Your Chess, the late Dutch Grandmaster Jan Hein Donner once said that if he had to play a computer, he would take along a hammer.|
|Feb-14-12|| ||brankat: Agreed :-)|
|Jun-27-12|| ||wordfunph: <Caissanist: After reading <The King>, I'd say that that's a fair verdict not only for Donner the chessplayer, but for Donner the writer as well.>|
i'm on page 31 now, i rate GM Donner's The King - Chess Pieces at 10/10! simply juicy and entertaining masterpiece..
|Jul-06-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: GM Donner, today you are remembered!
|Jul-06-12|| ||tino72: Happy birthday Hein Donner. 85 today. The king of chess literature! (People: if you have not yet read "The King" then you are missing out.)|
|Jul-15-12|| ||achieve: For those interested in the <Jan Hein Donner> pronunciation: I submitted the correct one to CG and you can hear it by clicking the "PRONUNCIATION" button located at the top of the Bio section.|
|Sep-08-12|| ||Caissanist: I'm not surprised to see the rave reviews of <The King> from those who have only read the first few pages; by far the best writing in that book is from earlier in his career, when he was primarily a chess professional who did some writing on the side. The last two thirds or so of the book, though, is mostly pretty boring.|
|Feb-06-13|| ||thomastonk: His gravestone has the following inscription:
"HIER LIGT HEIN
ZIJN WAS ZIJN"
I can translate it word by word, but what does it mean?
|Feb-06-13|| ||Stonehenge: Perhaps "here lies Hein, his was to be".|
|Feb-08-13|| ||thomastonk: Here is a Donner quote from "The King", p 308: "I'd like to point out that my name is: J.H. Donner, to my friends: Hein. 'Jan Hein', however, I am not, have never been and wouldn't want to be either." |
The original quote appeared in "Schaakbulletin" 136, March 1979 in occasion of a review of two book. Donner wrote that in both books occasionally a 'grandmaster Jan Hein Donner' appears, sometimes refereed to as 'our Jan Hein'.
|Mar-24-13|| ||Osbourne Cox: This is an excerpt from Jan Timmans "J.H. Donner: an obituary" (First published in New in Chess Magazine 1/1989):
"...he was always in his best form during the Olympiads. Travelling with Donner was always a very special experience for his teammates. Once at Schiphol Airport I was next in line to him at the security check. "Have you got any weapons with you?" the ground stewardess asked. "Yes, a formidable brain", he answered, leaving a stunned pair of stewardesses behind."
I love this guy. Do you know anybody like him out there today?|
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