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|Apr-22-15|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Damn, HMM, u are still alive??|
|Apr-22-15|| ||HeMateMe: Your meaning...?|
|Apr-22-15|| ||Karposian: Not a very objective article, that's for sure. It seems the author has a personal grudge against Susan Polgar and Paul Truong.|
<"Her husband and business manager, the twice bankrupt Paul Truong – who claims to have won the Vietnamese Junior (under 21) Championship at the age of 5, and to have been kidnapped by pirates on several occasions while narrowly escaping death by circling sharks – continues to run her successful, relentless, self-publicity machine. He has not, as yet, been abducted by aliens, but it is surely only a matter of time.">
This is just distasteful and untruthful journalism. Polgar has already explained that story about Truong winning that championship back in South Vietnam. She wrote this on Truong's player page one year ago:
<Susan Polgar: It was the Annual National Open Championship of all ages. All players were adults. I interviewed the coach (an American Chess Master who lived in Saigon at that time) of the National Club in South Vietnam at that time. He confirmed it 2 years ago during the College Chess Final Four in the DC area. The coach came to visit him. The coach also confirmed it in an in depth interview with the USCF back in 1986.>
The snipe at Polgar and Truong about running a "self-publicity machine" is also ridiculous and doesn't make sense. Susan Polgar, one of the best female chess players in history, has made a living out of her passion for chess, so what? Is that a bad thing? Hell no, I think it's great!
Susan Polgar and Paul Truong contribute a lot to the chess scene in the United States. It is thanks to people like them that chess get at least some attention from the public, through the media and such. Their efforts, through their highly successful SPICE program help promoting chess here in the United States.
|Apr-22-15|| ||Jim Bartle: Seems the chess world has a lot of respect for Susan but sees Truong as a hangeron and hustler who has greatly exaggerated events in his past.|
|Apr-22-15|| ||Jim Bartle: That Korchnoi blitz video is with Sofia, nit Zsuzsa.|
|Apr-22-15|| ||Bureaucrat: <Karposian: This is just distasteful and untruthful journalism.>|
It seems to me you missed that the author is Nigel Short. The quote was from his New In Chess article, which was reproduced in full on Chessbase.
|Apr-22-15|| ||perfidious: <Jim: That Korchnoi blitz video is with Sofia, nit Zsuzsa.>|
That's a helluva way to talk about her.....(wink)
|Apr-22-15|| ||Karposian: <Bureaucrat: It seems to me you missed that the author is Nigel Short. The quote was from his New In Chess article, which was reproduced in full on Chessbase.>|
Oh, I see. Thanks for the correction. My mistake.
Well, then I would say, even more appalling that Short speaks such nonsense about a distinguished chess personality like Susan Polgar.
But given his denigrating comments about female chess players in general, it's perhaps not very surprising.
|Apr-23-15|| ||James Demery: lnteresting comments about Susan Polgar from Nigel Short. Does anyone know why he would say such things about Susan Polgar? His comments about her on Chessbase were rather rude.|
|Apr-23-15|| ||James Demery: l didnt see the posts above before l went to work this morning. Didnt mean to be redundant.|
|Apr-23-15|| ||James Demery: l do remember the controversy concerning her record setting simul. l remember people questioning whether someone could play that many games that quickly. l was wondering if something happened between them personally that made him speak with such vitriol.|
|Apr-23-15|| ||HeMateMe: If Short's numbers are right, it is physically impossible for someone to play that many games against any serious opposition. as a grandmaster doesn't he have a right to call into question a chess related claim of another GM that is so obvious untrue? |
I would file Shorts comments under "brutally honest," but not "slanderous."
|Apr-23-15|| ||James Demery: ln the article, if memory serves, he said something about there being a lot of Scholar's Mates. l dont remember seeing any of the actual games and their moves.|
|Apr-23-15|| ||HeMateMe: I remember one story about the event. There were a bunch of small children playing, and they would lose quickly and then just set up the board and play again. She played some individuals more than once. That really shouldn't be counted. Not that this is an important topic, anyway.|
|Apr-23-15|| ||devere: <James Demery: lnteresting comments about Susan Polgar from Nigel Short. Does anyone know why he would say such things about Susan Polgar? His comments about her on Chessbase were rather rude.>|
It may be that Nigel Short is still hurting from the losses Susan Polgar's little sister inflicted on him.
"Classical games: Judit Polgar beat Nigel Short 8 to 3, with 5 draws."
|Apr-23-15|| ||keypusher: <devere: It may be that Nigel Short is still hurting from the losses Susan Polgar's little sister inflicted on him.
"Classical games: Judit Polgar beat Nigel Short 8 to 3, with 5 draws.">|
Cutting stuff, devere. I'll bet no one noticed <that> before.
So, Judit Polgar has a plus score against Nigel, therefore...what, exactly? Short's argument is refuted? Suppose Kramnik (+14-0=11) had said it instead?
It would be exactly as true, or as false, as it is now.
|Apr-23-15|| ||Bobby Fiske: My guess: Nigel soured on Susan after last FIDE president election. Team Polgar declared neutrality prior to the election, but never the less helped Kirsan secure some extra vote(s).|
|Apr-23-15|| ||offramp: <keypusher> very well said. I like Susan, but people are going over the top!|
Here is a major question:
How many chessplayers have YOU [not you keypusher], yes YOU, any reader of these words, known in your entire life?
Imagine someone said, "Alan, get me 1,000 people who can play chess in ten days time."
I live in London, there are 10,000,000 people living here but I don't think I could get more than 50.
|Apr-23-15|| ||Petrosianic: <keypusher>: <So, Judit Polgar has a plus score against Nigel, therefore...what, exactly? Short's argument is refuted?>|
No, that would be a Fallacy of Composition (or Division or both, depending how it's stated).
But on the other hand, does Short HAVE an argument to refute? He's got a fact (the gender ratings gap), and a kind of claim (that the reason for the gap is in some way biological). But does he have an argument to support that claim?
|Apr-24-15|| ||Zonszein: Chess is a very rude game.
Jesus! It's just a game!
The best game ever but that's all
|Apr-24-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi. K.P.
"So, Judit Polgar has a plus score against Nigel, therefore...what, exactly? Short's argument is refuted?"
Nigel knows he has a minus score v Judit so why write an article claiming women cannot play chess.
In a nutshell it reads that women are not attracted to chess like men because he thinks our brains are wired up differently.
And on average (Judit is far above an average female chess player and should not really be included) men are better at chess than women.
There is something about the game that attracts more men to it than women. That 'something' that bites into the man and the game becomes an obsession.
That 'something' is for others to discuss and find. Nigel, not being a woman will not have the answer. We need a female non-player to tells us why.
My wife is a genuine non-player. She does not even know how the pieces move.
She thinks the game is stupid and comes out with comments like "look what it has done to you." ,all my chess friends are certifiable and after the one tournament she attended stated it's full of old men who have not grown up.
(I'll get her to write the next NIC article.)
But what ever it is it won't be because women are any less intelligent than men.
|Apr-25-15|| ||offramp: <Zonszein: Chess is a very rude game.
Jesus! It's just a game!
The best game ever but that's all>
90% of chess is garbage.
|Apr-25-15|| ||MagnusVerMagnus: You and I and everyone else is > 90% garbage, what is your point?|
|Apr-25-15|| ||offramp: <MagnusVerMagnus: You and I and everyone else is > 90% garbage, what is your point?>|
90% of everything, except me, is garbage.
|Apr-25-15|| ||Everyone: 99% of everything, except me, is rubbish.|
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