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|Sep-02-15|| ||supertimchan: <Notably enough, Burke's actual performance rating during the tournament that got him up to 2600+ was only 2389. The combination of high k-factor and late updating by FIDE is the only reason his rating got as high as it did.>|
So... If he performed even better like 2400+, he'd be one of the top 10 in the world?
|Sep-02-15|| ||supertimchan: <Another fix to this "bug" would be applying the 2300 border for k=40 not based on the official rating but on the live one. That is, once you reach 2300 live your K gets down from 40 to 15 or whatever it is now for adults with the same rating.>|
Does that mean if he had more tournaments where he performed like 2400 before this rating list is published, he'd be 2800+?
|Sep-02-15|| ||supertimchan: By the way, what's the motivation for introducing K-factor?|
|Sep-02-15|| ||markz: <supertimchan: So... If he performed even better like 2400+, he'd be one of the top 10 in the world?>|
Yes or no. I guess he need to perform like 2600, he'd be one of the top 10 in the world. Imagine that if k=400, he can be 3000+ even 4000+ overnight.
<supertimchan: By the way, what's the motivation for introducing K-factor?>
In theory, there is always a k-factor. k=1 will be too slow, k=100 will be too fast. It is all about math and rules. ELO is a mathematical system.
|Sep-02-15|| ||dumbgai: The reasoning behind giving a higher k-factor to low rated players and young players is that in case of a mismatch between rating and playing strength, it allows the rating to "catch up" more quickly. Higher k-factor makes ratings more sensitive to recent results, because the player gains more points for a win and loses more points for a loss.|
At the high end of the rating scale (and for non-junior players) the k-factor is reduced to help stabilize the ratings.
|Sep-02-15|| ||Helkost: Hello Everyone. Can someone explain to me of the k-factor works? Have there been any changes recently? I knew that, for a k-factor of 40 to be applied, he should:|
-have played less or equal to 30 games (he has played much more than that, after 30 games, my understanding is that the k-factor has to be lowered to 20)
-have a published rating of less or equal to 2400.
Am I missing something?
|Sep-02-15|| ||sonia91: <Helkost> 3. Under-18 players have k=40 until they reach a published rating of 2300+|
|Sep-15-15|| ||Helkost: so, just out of curiosity, how did the boy make a jump from 2538 to 2601 in only 9 games in Aug.? That's 60+ points when his published rating was already above 2300.|
|Sep-15-15|| ||markz: Those 9 games were played at the end of July (not Aug) when his published rating was below 2300.|
|Sep-15-15|| ||Namawiz: This K=40 is distorting the rating system already. Too many overrated new players being added to the rating lists and a growing number of overrated kids emerging with each new ratings list. Eventually, ratings just like titles such as CM, FM and IM, will become meaningless numbers and that no longer serve as measures of playing strength as they have been all along. FIDE must go back to the previous rating system. It worked just fine.|
|Sep-18-15|| ||AzingaBonzer: FIDE should reduce everyone's rating by 3.5%. That should stabilize things. (Semi-serious suggestion; do you like my alliteration?)|
|Sep-19-15|| ||Whitemouse: Chessgames.com only has one game from this 'youngest ever to reach 2600'?|
|Sep-19-15|| ||twinlark: <Whitemouse>
Burke was a 2200 a couple of months ago but his reaching 2600 is as much of a quirk of the new rating formula for young players as an outstanding effort on his part.
Without denigrating this kid's talent, his results for producing a 2600 rating were far fewer than those that had to be produced by the likes of Carlsen, Wei Yi and Wesley So and IMO can't really be compared to these players unless he has continuing strong followup performances that maintain his rating, which will be a much more difficult proposition than simply reaching 2600 in the first place.
Now that he's on the rating formula for senior players, his rating will fall back to more realistic levels over time. For example, Parviz Gasimov experienced a similar leap in his rating for the same reason as Burke. His rating has fallen back as follows: https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?e...
|Oct-02-15|| ||AzingaBonzer: Well, his rating is now 2603 on the October list. Looks like it's another Cadet result that caused that, though.|
|Oct-02-15|| ||markz: <AzingaBonzer: Well, his rating is now 2603 on the October list. Looks like it's another Cadet result that caused that, though.>|
Somehow, Burke managed to increase from 2601 to 2603 by not playing any games in Sept. An absolutely outstanding performance.
|Oct-08-15|| ||nolanryan: BIDMONFA: John Burke
|Oct-22-15|| ||sonia91: <markz: Somehow, Burke managed to increase from 2601 to 2603 by not playing any games in Sept.> I cleary remember that FIDE corrected his September rating from 2601 to 2603, before October 1, although in the archive of September 2015 Top juniors it's still 2601 (but if you check his rating chart his September 2015 rating now appears as 2603). So he became the youngest 2600+ player with a rating of 2603 and not 2601.|
<due in part> I'd say mostly due.
|Oct-23-15|| ||alexmagnus: The 2601-2603 thing reminded me of confusion that arose around the question "What was Kramnik's highest rating?" before 2013. Even of FIDE pages it was at times 2809 and at other times 2811 (the correct answer was 2811, in 2809 case four draws against Kasparov were missing; now it is 2811 anyway as he reached the number once more in 2013).|
|Nov-29-15|| ||LuckyChucky: This obsession with numerical ratings is pitiful. Get out of the trailer once in a while, guys.|
|Nov-29-15|| ||perfidious: <LuckyChucky: This obsession with numerical ratings is pitiful....>|
Yup. Sure is.
Signed, Life hasbeenusetawas
|Aug-28-17|| ||KnightVBishop: How did this kid drop so many points?|
|Aug-28-17|| ||markz: <KnightVBishop: How did this kid drop so many points?>|
Because he was overrated?
|Aug-29-17|| ||Nosnibor: Does anyone remember an old T.V. programme called Burkes Law ? Well it would appear that there is another kind of law operating here.|
|Aug-29-17|| ||saffuna: Definitely. Gene Barry played an independently-wealthy police caption. (Filled with gritty reality.)|
|Aug-15-18|| ||wordfunph: newly-minted American GM.|
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