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|Nov-24-16|| ||HeMateMe: Hi GM Keene. You were in the Korchnoi camp during the 1978 Baguio city match between Korchnoi and Karpov. Can you venture an opinion as to the quality of play, this match v. the '78 championship?|
|Nov-25-16|| ||offramp: Ray Keene's book on Karpov - Korchnoi World Championship Match (1978) was one of his very best, as was his previous book, Chess Crisis, about Korchnoi - Spassky Candidates Final (1977).|
Both books were in descriptive which was probably Batsford's decision, to keep the games "popular". Ray was always a proponent of standard (algebraic) notation.
|Nov-25-16|| ||Retireborn: I used to have an early edition of Ray's "Flank Openings" (an excellent book btw) which was pretty much the only British chess book printed in algebraic back then.|
I did think that "Chess Crisis" was not very fair to Spassky. One has the impression that Ray never liked him much.
|Nov-25-16|| ||HeMateMe: I found a copy of his book on the '78 match between Karpov and Korchnoi, at least I think it was Keene, can't exactly remember. |
The chess material was good but the physical quality of the book was awful. It seemed to be printed with ten point type (very small), just hard to read. I guess you save on paper that way. I think it was Pergammon Press, a book with a green and black cover.
|Nov-25-16|| ||Howard: Yes, it was by Keene---assuming we're talking about the same book. We probably are, because the quality of the print was VERY medicore, as I recall.|
Probably the best book on that 1978 match was Chess Scandals.
As for Keene's book on Korchnoi-Spassky, that book was rather biased in favor of Korchnoi, as I recall. For that matter, so was Keene and Stean's overage in CL&R of that same match...
....and their coverage of Karpov-Korchnoi 1978 was also very biased, too, in favor of the late Korchnoi.
|Nov-25-16|| ||ray keene: <Retireborn> actually in 1972 I was a big supporter of Spassky. I feared that Fischer would just stop playing if he won the championship with very negative consequences for chess. How was that for a prediction!|
|Nov-25-16|| ||Retireborn: Thanks, Ray. Yes, sadly you were all too right about Fischer, and it's a shame that so many of your generation never got a chance to play against him.|
Of your other books, I still have a Bells hardback of Nimzowitsch: a Reappraisal, which I remember buying in Blackwells somewhere around 1979. It's one of my favourite books and I still dip into it occasionally.
|Nov-26-16|| ||ray keene: Thanks. That's probably my best book. Considering it was written pre computer check the notes are pretty accurate. I think Nimzo v Marshall NY 1927 and an early 1920's win with Black v Spielmann ...both have notes which can be improved a bit but the rest is ok.|
|Nov-26-16|| ||ray keene: <Retireborn> yes, I have played against the following world champions: Euwe, Botvinnik, Smyslov, Tal, Petrosian, Spassky, Karpov and Kasparov. Note the obvious gap in the sequence. I won 2, drew 6 and lost 9. 29% cd be worse!|
|Nov-26-16|| ||moronovich: It is a fine achievement <Ray> !|
|Nov-26-16|| ||MissScarlett: <I have played against...Kasparov>|
Assuming you refer to Speelman / Keene / King / Forbes vs Kasparov / Short, 1993, I don't think you can properly count that. But did you ever play some skittle/blitz games with Kasparov, or was he averse to such familiarity?
|Nov-26-16|| ||OhioChessFan: Ray, two questions: You mentioned you don't feel you reached your full potential in chess. What do you think your full potential was?|
Do you feel you were ahead of the curve or behind the curve in terms of realizing engines would eventually dominate humans OTB?
|Nov-26-16|| ||keypusher: <Ray Keene> Don't know if you saw this kibitzer's question -- was curious about your response:|
<Can you venture an opinion as to the quality of play, this match v. the '78 championship?>
|Nov-26-16|| ||Sally Simpson: "I have played against...Kasparov."
Careful Miss.S. it could be a trick shot.
I am reminded of Najdorf who claims to have played 11 World Champions from Lasker to Kasparov. He tried to slip in No.12 by adding Lasker (he played Ed Lasker) Najdorf adds he once played Emanuel Lasker at Bridge.
(Page 8, 'The Human Comedy' of Chess by Hans Ree.)
1978 Karpov-Korchnoi book, excellent. 200th book should be a tell all autobiography with a long chapter on 1978.
|Nov-28-16|| ||HeMateMe: I went to the London Times to find Ray Keene's korchnoi obit, couldn't find it. nothing comes up on Google search, and London Times doesn't have a search window.|
|Nov-28-16|| ||offramp: The Times tends to be very cagey about its content. They advertise often for online subscriptions. Little is given away for free.|
|Dec-02-16|| ||diceman: <Retireborn: I used to have an early edition of Ray's "Flank Openings" (an excellent book btw) which was pretty much the only British chess book printed in algebraic back then.>|
Love that book.
|Dec-03-16|| ||ray keene: <MissScarlett> I am happy to delete my TV consultation game with Kasparov since it pushes up my percentage against world champions to 31.25 %|
|Dec-03-16|| ||ray keene: <HeMateMe> I have just reposted my obituary of Korchnoi on my Times chess Twitter site @times_chess. A word of warning. As has been correctly noted, you will almost certainly have to subscribe to The Times in some form, eg online, epaper etc...before it's accessible. If you already subscribe there shd be no problem.|
|Dec-03-16|| ||ray keene: <Keypusher> I think I missed the question about quality of play in Karpov v Korchnoi 1978 and Carlsen v Karjakin. It's hard to compare because the match conditions are so different...unlimited as compared to just twelve games, abolition of adjournments, quick play tie breaks etc etc.. Taking all those discrepancies into account I wd say the quality of play was similar.
Quite often the quality of play in championship matches is surprisingly low, either because of the tension of the occasion or because the games attract greater attention and thus the errors are more mercilessly exposed. In my next post I will list my favourite matches for the title, though that does not necessarily mean that the QUALITY was higher, it's more a question of a distinct clash of ideas combined with memorable games!|
|Dec-03-16|| ||ray keene: As I promised, these are the world title matches which are my personal favourites for reasons of creativity, distinct ideas, memorable games etc...|
Staunton v St Amant 1843 a precursor
Alekhine v Bogolyubov 1929
1948 world championship match tournament
Botvinnik v Smyslov 1958
Botvinnik v Tal 1961
Petrosian v Botvinnik 1963
Petrosian v Spassky 1966
Kasparov v Karpov 1985
Kramnik v Topalov 2006
|Dec-03-16|| ||morfishine: Thank you GM Keene for your contributions to chess
I've always admired the fact that you gained your final GM norm after the age of 27, which to me, showcases a "blue collar" basis to achieving this goal|
I hope others will look at this for inspiration, not only with chess
Happy Holidays GM Keene
|Dec-03-16|| ||HeMateMe: Thanks for the info, Ray. I was a little too young to really follow the Fischer/Spassky match, but my friends and I were cutting the '78 Karpov/Korchnoi games and adjournments out of the local paper and trying to predict the next day's lines, following the adjournments.|
We usually weren't too accurate, but it was a nice time during six weeks of that summer. I know you were a close member of the Korchnoi camp.
|Dec-04-16|| ||RookFile: I've been playing over Kramnik v Topalov 2006. Setting aside the off the board antics, the actual chess played is very exciting.|
|Dec-04-16|| ||HeMateMe: I thought it was great too, the first match I followed on the internet.|
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