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|Aug-13-11|| ||BobCrisp: <Ray>, you'll remember that favour I requested before. Here is a long-forgotten game by Edward Winter that appeared in the May 1976 <BCM> in article called <Certain Irregularities> by the great man himself:|
[White "J S Rubin"]
[Black "E Winter"]
1. Nf3 d5 2. e4 dxe4 3. Ne5 Nd7 4. Nc4 Ngf6 5. Nc3 g5 6. Ne2 Bg7 7. g3 b5 8. Na5 Ne5 9. Bg2 h5 10. Rf1 Qd3 11. a4 Qf3 12. Bh1 Qxh1 13. Rxh1 Nf3+ 14. Kf1 Bh3# 0-1
When I previously submitted this game to <cg.com>, it apparently failed the quality-control. Would you use your influence here with the powers-that-be to magnanimously champion the historical value of this game? Even though <Winter> modestly admits the game is <not good (even at twenty seconds per move), with blunders mixing freely with eccentricities>, I don't think he would have kept and published it unless he was secretly proud of it.
|Aug-13-11|| ||ray keene: winter game-no reason it shdnt go in
i will try
confirmed zionist? not quite sure what makes you think that-maybe something i said or wrote? cd you let me know what gave that impression- i have also been described as a devout christian -not quite sure what i did to deserve that either!
|Aug-13-11|| ||drnooo: perry is at least not an economic maniac, and why call it climate change, why not just climate or mother nature having a climax every day or better yet ahh I have it weather I knew the word would come to me|
as for the income tax, soak the rich up a point just enough to keep them happy and investing and make all teachers including chess coaches fess up and show their wares, such as knowing there Canada is on their good days
|Aug-14-11|| ||BobCrisp: <winter game-no reason it shdnt go in>|
Wow, that was quick! J S Rubin vs E Winter, 1974 I think it fitting that <Winter> now has a level score.
Incidentally, were you responsible for submitting the game J Simpole vs E Winter, 1973?
<confirmed zionist? not quite sure what makes you think that-maybe something i said or wrote? cd you let me know what gave that impression>
Don't you support Israel as a fundamentally Jewish entity? If so, that makes you a confirmed Zionist. It wasn't meant pejoratively.
|Aug-14-11|| ||ray keene: glad we got the winter game up so quickly-i think julian simpole submitted the game he won with the background -julian is still working on a whole batch of other games of his.|
re zionism-i certainly support the right of israel to exist as a state but i wd equally support it if a huge influx of -say- legal immigrant christians converted it democratically into a non jewish state.bit of a theoretical proposition i know! if that make me a confirmed zionist then i am a confirmed zionist. btw one of my closest and oldest friends is lord hardinge of penshusrt whose ancestor-balfour-kicked off israel with his famous declaration!
|Aug-14-11|| ||ray keene: typos-corrections: cant see straight in the mornings!|
"if that makes me"
"lord hardinge of penshurst"
|Aug-14-11|| ||BobCrisp: <i think julian simpole submitted the game he won with the background>|
At your prompting?
<julian is still working on a whole batch of other games of his.>
ray keene: julian simpole-the slayer of edward winter-is preparing more of his games which shd soon appear on www.chessgames.com >
That's over 2 years in the preparation. I sense that he's not given the project his undivided attention.
<re zionism-i certainly support the right of israel to exist as a state but i wd equally support it if a huge influx of -say- legal immigrant christians converted it democratically into a non jewish state.bit of a theoretical proposition i know!>
How about a more practical possibility: an influx of returning Palestinians democratically turns it into a non-Jewish state, or even a Muslim state.
What's your position on a two-state solution?
|Aug-14-11|| ||Dionysius1: <Ray> It seems that many grandmasters play professional poker as well,and I think I've read some of them say they win more money from poker than chess. Are the skills that transferable do you think, and have you ever considered professional poker yourself?|
|Aug-14-11|| ||ray keene: no- and julian is very thorough-they will appear-he is very proud of his game v winter since its proof that he exists which many have doubted!|
i considered that possibility but i suspect there is some clause in the state regulations which makes it impossible ( of course its even more unlikely than an influx of christians!
poker-sorry-no interest-only game i can play is chess!
|Aug-14-11|| ||ray keene: <bobcrisp> not that i mind but you seem to have a lot of sympathy for young ed winter-also you have no bio-and your name is oddly hibernian-crisp-deep and crisp and even -snow-winter? i often think in another universe young ed and i cd have been friends-so if you have a hot ( or cold ) line to him do say hello!|
|Aug-14-11|| ||ray keene: wd perry for president and bachmann for veep do for obama? i am not a us citizen so have no vote-just interested in american views-some of my us friends say perry is "awesome." very interested in knowing what people think!|
|Aug-14-11|| ||BobCrisp: <Perry> certainly looks and sounds the part, but he hasn't been tested yet so my money is still on <Romney>. If the moderate Mormon gets the nod, then his VP choice would surely be from the Tea Party persuasion.|
|Aug-14-11|| ||Fusilli: <GM Keene> Hard to answer, since Americans hold many views and a good chunk of the public is pretty polarized right now. But a large number of voters consider themselves independent and they are the ones that decide the outcome of elections. The strategic situation right now is that the president is doing everything he can to cater to independent centrists, which runs the risk of alienating his own base (especially the traditional liberal side of the Democratic base, many of whom are angry). On the other hand, you have the Republicans catering to the most extremist side of their party (the Tea Party side), including Romney, who no one would call a moderate if they had heard him at the Republican debates the other day. Whoever wins the Republican primaries will have to switch gears if they want a chance at winning. So far, the president (with widespread liberal discontent and all) is probably winning a second term.|
|Aug-14-11|| ||BobCrisp: I'm not sure where the link between my appreciating <Winter>'s work and knowing/being him comes from.|
<i often think in another universe young ed and i cd have been friends>
I've thought the same myself. It's also a sentiment expressed at the end of <Kane and Abel> by <Jeffrey Archer>. Unfortunately, he living in Switzerland and you in London, it seems unlikely you'll inadvertently become trapped in a lift together, to emerge as bosom buddies.
Maybe the root of the problem is that <Winter> in his cloistered, scrupulous, bookish way doesn't understand what it takes to be an entrepreneur, bon viveur, journalist, TV personality, prolific author, etc..
|Aug-14-11|| ||BobCrisp: <Ray>, here's something else you and <Winter> have in common.|
Apart from both playing <Simpole>, you've also shared a <Rubin>. Keene vs Rubin, 1978
|Aug-14-11|| ||ray keene: <bobcrisp> i am sure you are right|
meanwhile i think the perry bachmann alliance is looking more plausible
can the usa survive another obama term?
|Aug-14-11|| ||drnooo: my two cents on the perry thing: if Romney starts showing some sparks, and has sense enough to lay it on the line that Obama is worse than bad, that almost singlehandedly is tearing the stars and stripes to tatters, mixing some name calling in with perhaps even a little savage humor at say his golfing and girly baseball tosses, that's it for Perry however|
he don't and Perry starts laying it on the line about his spotless economic boom or at least success in Texas, with a very outlined plan of how he would start duplicating across the other 49 states, then its bye bye rommney and hellow Pennsylvania avenue
as for Backman she could fill out either hand nicely in that boys only game of five card stud
whomever Romney is using for a consulting team shuold be dropped
like a buzzing firecracker
as for Perry, well whomever he is using, probably just the strong light lancing though a church steeple, he's already out there where the buses don't run, too far for recall.
it does bring religion back into the fray either way with them which will be veddy bloody interesting considering the weird pew that ole Barry has been sitting in the last twenty sum odd years.
|Aug-15-11|| ||HeMateMe: A lot of points to address in such a debate. But, if you're counting Pounds spent (and lives) remember that if was Dubya, not Obama, that dragged England into the war in Iraq.|
Such things are useful to remember when predicting the future actions of world leaders.
|Aug-17-11|| ||OhioChessFan: What would you consider your best positional win?|
|Aug-17-11|| ||diceman: <ray keene: can the usa survive another obama term?>|
Not sure it will survive his first.
|Aug-18-11|| ||ray keene: <ohiochessfan> best tactical win v kovacevic amsterdam 1973-best positional win: probably v penrose 1970
kovacevic btw was the last man to beat fischer before he went on his world championship rampage flooring everyone in sight|
|Aug-18-11|| ||ray keene: <diceman> i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular or do chess players tend towards being republican? i wd say that in the uk the top players are more right wing leaning while the rest tend more to the left.|
|Aug-18-11|| ||HeMateMe: I would venture that the sitting president is being made a scapegoat for the present worldwide sluggish economy. No one person is so powerful that they can immediately alter such a complex problem.|
People need a target. When the economy was sluggish under Bill Clinton, people were ready to lynch him for having a tryst with a White House intern. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.
I wonder what the true economic makeup is of the chess players who post comments here? My experience with chess players, at local clubs, is that they are not so financially well off. Lower middle class to poor. This isn't really the Republican demographic.
This leads me to believe that some of the people here identify with the GOP because the Republican Party is quicker to blame nationwide economic woes on ethnic minorities. Some chess players feel they themselves would be in better financial shape if the monies spent on the poor were lessened. With that theme, they also have to absorb the whole Republican platform of ideas and policies.
|Aug-18-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <HMM> I would guess not once did you appeal to the worldwide economy when taking shots at Bush. There's a word for people like you, and it starts with an h.|
|Aug-18-11|| ||diceman: <ray keene: <diceman> i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular or do chess players tend towards being republican? i wd say that in the uk the top players are more right wing leaning while the rest tend more to the left.>|
I’m not sure folks even know what politics are.
(many conservatives are democrats because they think they are supposed to be)
(many are something because of parents/family)
Many are lured by ideas without looking at the results.
(sounds nice to “help the poor”, no one looks at the underclass in the ghetto)
Chess by it self seems to be very conservative.
(unless we start “Down Material Assistance” or a “Strong Player Tax“)
<i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular>
I don’t think its about being popular.
(Obama received many “gifts” from the American people)
I think its about the concept, if you tell me you can walk on water,
there’s greater satisfaction in telling you, you have sunk.
To democrats its about “the leader” to me its about “the people“.
Its also about the response to problems, Obama could have really been something,
instead he showed he was just another political hack, and his talk was just talk.
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