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|Aug-17-11|| ||OhioChessFan: What would you consider your best positional win?|
|Aug-17-11|| ||diceman: <ray keene: can the usa survive another obama term?>|
Not sure it will survive his first.
|Aug-18-11|| ||ray keene: <ohiochessfan> best tactical win v kovacevic amsterdam 1973-best positional win: probably v penrose 1970
kovacevic btw was the last man to beat fischer before he went on his world championship rampage flooring everyone in sight|
|Aug-18-11|| ||ray keene: <diceman> i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular or do chess players tend towards being republican? i wd say that in the uk the top players are more right wing leaning while the rest tend more to the left.|
|Aug-18-11|| ||HeMateMe: I would venture that the sitting president is being made a scapegoat for the present worldwide sluggish economy. No one person is so powerful that they can immediately alter such a complex problem.|
People need a target. When the economy was sluggish under Bill Clinton, people were ready to lynch him for having a tryst with a White House intern. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed.
I wonder what the true economic makeup is of the chess players who post comments here? My experience with chess players, at local clubs, is that they are not so financially well off. Lower middle class to poor. This isn't really the Republican demographic.
This leads me to believe that some of the people here identify with the GOP because the Republican Party is quicker to blame nationwide economic woes on ethnic minorities. Some chess players feel they themselves would be in better financial shape if the monies spent on the poor were lessened. With that theme, they also have to absorb the whole Republican platform of ideas and policies.
|Aug-18-11|| ||OhioChessFan: <HMM> I would guess not once did you appeal to the worldwide economy when taking shots at Bush. There's a word for people like you, and it starts with an h.|
|Aug-18-11|| ||diceman: <ray keene: <diceman> i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular or do chess players tend towards being republican? i wd say that in the uk the top players are more right wing leaning while the rest tend more to the left.>|
I’m not sure folks even know what politics are.
(many conservatives are democrats because they think they are supposed to be)
(many are something because of parents/family)
Many are lured by ideas without looking at the results.
(sounds nice to “help the poor”, no one looks at the underclass in the ghetto)
Chess by it self seems to be very conservative.
(unless we start “Down Material Assistance” or a “Strong Player Tax“)
<i sense little sympathy for your incumbent president here-is that because he is extremely unpopular>
I don’t think its about being popular.
(Obama received many “gifts” from the American people)
I think its about the concept, if you tell me you can walk on water,
there’s greater satisfaction in telling you, you have sunk.
To democrats its about “the leader” to me its about “the people“.
Its also about the response to problems, Obama could have really been something,
instead he showed he was just another political hack, and his talk was just talk.
|Aug-18-11|| ||ray keene: i remember seeing the crowds in washington hailing obamas inauguration-some of the crowd members were saying things like-"obama is going to pay off my mortgage" and suchlike utopian sentiments-i thought at the time-My God, with that level of unrealistic expectation he has a lot to live up to!!|
|Aug-18-11|| ||diceman: <ray keene: i remember seeing the crowds in washington hailing obamas inauguration-some of the crowd members were saying things like-"obama is going to pay off my mortgage" and suchlike utopian sentiments-i thought at the time-My God, with that level of unrealistic expectation he has a lot to live up to!!>|
Who knew he puts his pants on one leg at a time?
I think the most disappointing thing about his birth certificate:
revealing it, showed he was a mere mortal.
|Aug-18-11|| ||HeMateMe: Those who showed the adulation were blacks, and I think the euphoria was because they had one of their own in the highest office. I'm sure no one though B. Obama was going to buy them a boat.|
There are still civil rights problems, and having an African American in the Oval Office means that the sitting president won't veto legislation that equalizes the playing fields for minorities.
Also, the President gets to nominate appointees to the Supreme Court, who in many cases have the final say on key laws. Obama appointees would be sensitive to civil rights issues.
Certainly this doesn't make for a utopia, but blacks had reason to celebrate. Unfortunately, Obama walked into an environment of bank failures and massive property forclosures.
He was Bushwacked, you might say.
|Aug-18-11|| ||bartonlaos: Obama has devoted his life suffering to give speeches about legislation that offers help to restore an egalitarian balance for the disenfranchised. After such noble hardship he has become a classic American version of Lech Walesa or Nelson Mandela. |
How could he not be re-up'd?
|Aug-18-11|| ||Kolyas: <bartonlaos> <After such noble hardship he has become a classic American version of Lech Walesa or Nelson Mandela.>|
Put the booze down, bud. Methinks you have had a little too much. <Obamanation> isn't fit to clean the shoes of such men as Walesa or Mandela.
Or, perhaps I have misinterpreted your words as a tongue-in-cheek bit of humor?
|Aug-18-11|| ||ray keene: thanks to my transatlantic cousins for the lessons in american politics-i am happy to receive further instruction from both right and left-any tea party members out there? wd like to hear from them!|
|Aug-18-11|| ||I play the Fred: <any tea party members out there?>|
I am definitely sympathetic to most of the ideas of the Tea Party.
Some on the left attempt to define the Tea Party by its few fringe members, but in my experience (I've attended rallies) Tea Partiers are indistinguishable from people you find at the grocery store, the mall, the diner. They're normal people fed up with government intrusion and overreach.
Most of their political focus is on the economy and on reducing the size and role of government, though certainly many factions which make up the Tea Party focus on other issues.
There has also been a tendency by the American left to equate the Republican party with the Tea Party, but there is definitely not a cozy relationship between the two. If you care to, visit the link for one such instance:
The Tea Party supported Hoffman while the Republican establishment supported Scozzafava; after Scozzafava withdrew from the race, she endorsed the Democratic candidate.
(But <nooooooo>, sayeth the left - the Tea Party are just poorly disguised Republicans!)
|Aug-18-11|| ||drnooo: On the contrary Obama rushed into the confusion: for the last two years of Bush, the dems had the reins to the purse strings of govt to mix a metaphor Bush's failure was not to be a better leader before then, way before and clamp down on the bad loan banks, Obama even profited from it coinwise and then real big in the confusion. Had he not compounded the small failure of the banks with all of his other moronic economics the US would be well out of the swamp begun with Clintons insistence on creating those bad loan banks Bad as Bush was, and he was, Obama is easily five times as bad. Not only that he is relatively stupid: notice how you ain't never never gonna see his college records.
He is the biggest joke the US has managed to play on itself in the century, yikes, and until he is waved the big bye bye its only gonna get worse.|
|Aug-18-11|| ||HeMateMe: Amazing. Obama is responsible for the failure of the last two years of the Bush administration.|
Can I also get a prescription for medical marijuana, your prescriber, if possible?
|Aug-18-11|| ||diceman: <HeMateMe:
Amazing. Obama is responsible for the failure of the last two years of the Bush administration.>
Wow, HeMateMe, you make a compelling argument for the democrat party.
Vote for me, because I cant do anything about the last administration.
Simplifies the whole election process.
|Aug-18-11|| ||OhioChessFan: What they call the Tea Party is really a movement. The "party" part of it is pretty much a historical accident. If you want to assign them a party, you'd be more accurate to refer to them as Libertarians.|
|Aug-18-11|| ||micartouse: What's really great about the Tea Party is that for decades, the left has been complaining that nobody protests anymore, nobody gets out and stands for something! The 60's youth were just so much more idealistic caring than today's youth, and now everyone is just shallow and materialistic. We've been hearing this for the last 30 years.|
So finally a populist grassroots protest movement came along, and what was the reaction of the left? Very funny to see the true free thinkers separated from the phonies.
|Aug-19-11|| ||Ron: I'm a libertarian: I believe that you should be able to smoke some dope, and pay low taxes.|
|Aug-19-11|| ||Ron: We are starting to hear one of the excuses that may be used in the event that Obama loses:
<Unfortunately, Obama walked into an environment of bank failures and massive property foreclosures.>
My reply is that every President faces difficult problems, whether that may be war; recessions; inflation; a depression; the threat of nuclear war.|
|Aug-19-11|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: any chance we can drop the politics before this becomes a 2nd rank Rogoff page?|
I would rather hear Ray on chess.
|Aug-19-11|| ||BobCrisp: I suggest you buy <The Times> then.|
|Aug-19-11|| ||SimonWebbsTiger: <bob crisp>
no chance! I read the Grauniad and Private Eye plus Skakbladet, Kingpin and New In Chess. :o)
|Aug-19-11|| ||BobCrisp: How many of <Ray>'s 100+ books have you read?|
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