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|Apr-11-12|| ||Petrosianic: The problem wasn't Argentina per se, it was the idea of everything being geared towards satisfying one player and one player only. This seems to have been spurred on by a phone call between Fischer and Petrosian, in which Gligoric served as translator. |
Petrosian wrote that they discussed this question. Petrosian wanted to play in Greece because he liked the climate better. Fischer wanted Argentina because they had a larger purse, and made great steaks there. According to Petrosian, in the middle of the conversation, Gligoric said something like "Fischer says it doesn't matter what you want because FIDE will decide to play in Argentina anyway." In the end, I think it was settled by drawing lots, which is fair enough, but the comment probably still rankled.
As far as Argentina, Petrosian wrote that he was against it because the climate was too hot and muggy for his tastes (He was over 40 at this point, when that starts to make a difference). The way he told it, the climate was cool and dry in the first half of the match, then turned hot and muggy in the second half when he did so poorly. Conversely, Fischer's supporters explain his poor showing in the first half by claiming he had a cold. (It's well known that no healthy chess player ever lost a game).
I don't know if his climate claim was true, but even if it was, it should have been left unsaid. Everyone has excuses and they impress no one but the fanboys, who aren't worth impressing.
I've never heard whether or not Petrosian-Huebner really was noisy, or if Huebner was just on edge and making excuses of his own. I like Huebner, but still hold it against him that he's the only guy to resign two candidates matches prematurely, while only 1 point down in each, and one of them a candidates final, which denied Korchnoi as clear a right to a rematch as a clean victory would have given him. So, just because he says it was noisy, doesn't mean I take it without a grain of salt (he's got excuses just like everyone else who lost a match).
|Apr-11-12|| ||ozmikey: <As far as Argentina, Petrosian wrote that he was against it because the climate was too hot and muggy for his tastes (He was over 40 at this point, when that starts to make a difference). The way he told it, the climate was cool and dry in the first half of the match, then turned hot and muggy in the second half when he did so poorly. Conversely, Fischer's supporters explain his poor showing in the first half by claiming he had a cold. (It's well known that no healthy chess player ever lost a game).>|
Larsen said much the same about the climate in Denver when he played the semi-final with Fischer. He claimed that it put him completely off his game, he couldn't sleep, etc.
I suppose a healthy level of self-regard is an important part of any chessplayer's armoury and if you've just been beaten 6-0 you need to attribute it to SOME sort of external factor, but Larsen also stated (in an interview in C.H.O'D. Alexander's book, if I recall) that he'd have good chances in another match with Fischer (this was in about 1973 or so). I think this is crossing over the line from self-regard to self-delusion!
|Apr-11-12|| ||Petrosianic: Yes, I think I've seen that article. Larsen talked about how he was going to blow through the Candidates and beat Fischer in 1975. I don't know Larsen, so I don't how much was delusion and how much was hubris. It's good to stay positive and upbeat, but respect is important too. You shouldn't talk about making short work of someone who thrashed you (even if it is Fischer, who sometimes did the same).|
I've never heard that Larsen was against Denver before the match, though. Apparently Petrosian was against Argentina even beforehand, and supposedly Spassky liked Reykjavik because the climate was similar to Leningrad, so apparently there is some kind of benefit to playing in a favorable climate, but you can't make an excuse out of it because in sports, that's just part of the game. You might have to play anywhere, or under less-than-perfect conditions.
I once played a tournament game against an FM in a noisy club full of chattering kids. I knew it was that way when I agreed to play there, but didn't want to reschedule the game, so we played. He heard the same noises I did. But the time to object, if you're going to is before the game.
|Apr-11-12|| ||harrylime: <Petrosianic>
You bring a new meaning to the word 'waffle' ..
|Apr-11-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <As far as Argentina, Petrosian wrote that he was against it because the climate was too hot and muggy for his tastes (He was over 40 at this point, when that starts to make a difference). The way he told it, the climate was cool and dry in the first half of the match, then turned hot and muggy in the second half when he did so poorly.>|
That could be. In October the average high in Buenos Aries is only in the low 70's, but as it's spring in SA it could have warmed up quickly.
I also didn't generally play well in hot, humid weather. That was true both in my 20s and when I quit (early 40s). I felt sorry that older Korchnoi had to play Karpov in the hot, tropical Philippines, but learned that Baguio has an almost ideal climate year round.
|Apr-11-12|| ||Petrosianic: <harrylime> <You bring a new meaning to the word 'waffle' ..>|
You bring the same old meaning to the word "incoherent". Nobody can even tell what you're objecting to.
|Apr-11-12|| ||Petrosianic: <That could be. In October the average high in Buenos Aries is only in the low 70's, but as it's spring in SA it could have warmed up quickly.>|
Here's the way Petrosian told it.
<As I had guessed, the Argentinian spring had very bad effects on me. While the weather was still dry, everything went well. But in the second half of the match the weather changed completely. The humidity of the air reached such a point that we seemed to be breathing water. I also found the temperature changes hard to bear. One example: one morning, as we were leaving the house, the thermometer showed plus 28. Naturally, I did not take my jacket with me. That evening, I suddenly felt extremely cold. Returning home I immediately looked at the thermometer: it registered plus 5 degrees. . . .>
These are centigrade temperatures, of course. Again, I think this would have been better off left unsaid. It comes off too much like an excuse. But he did go on to speak highly of Argentina:
<I have to say, even though the match ended so badly for me, that the Argentinian chess-lovers and, particularly, the Armenian colony there, were very friendly towards me. I have frequently been an eye-witness to the warmth with which my supporters greet my victories, but I have never seen the like of what happened after I won the second game. The spectators applauded thunderously for about 5 minutes on end.
Of the many meetings with Argentinian-Armenians, I will relate only one. Among the guests were high-ranking Argentinian officials, grandmasters and masters. The 62-year-old grandmaster Miguel Najdorf, who had seen many things in his time, confessed that it was the most impressive gathering he had yet seen in honour of any chess player. . . .
The Argentinian government, highly valuing the role which our match had played in popularizing chess in their country, presented Fischer and myself with commemorative medallions.>
I bet those would go for a bundle on eBay today.
|Apr-11-12|| ||ray keene: cant say i ever really noticed the climate in my tournaments-my best results came when there was a good local beer available ( dortmund 1980 krone brewery-london 1981, carlsberg special brew at the kings head)|
|Apr-11-12|| ||chrisowen: <ray keene> Xtra curricular one pint infront suet celarius!|
Asparigi nice leas and perrins;
Defacto it fudge!
Rookf6 safe win
Eye the lambast in-surefire pa3!
Langing ergo rjf-lm 1967 again manage rag!
|Apr-11-12|| ||ozmikey: <ray keene><my best results came when there was a good local beer available> And yet only second to Lein at Brisbane 1979? Queenslanders would be dreadfully offended, local beers don't get much better than the good "Fourex"...|
|Apr-12-12|| ||ray keene: <chris owen> I presume in jj/fw speak you are referring to Fischer's 13a3 against Miagmarsupial ( aps to JJ) at Sousse 1967 ending with magnificent q sac|
|Apr-12-12|| ||cro777: <chrisowen> is referring to Fischer's game against Mongolian IM Lkhamsürengiin Myagmarsüren who won West Asian zonal tournament in 1966 and tied for 19-20th in the Interzonal tournament in Sousse, Tunisia 1967.|
Chrisowenish is a model for experimental writing in chess, characterized with discovery and potential conceptual originality. It allows us to use imagination in the process by which we come to understand
|Apr-12-12|| ||qqdos: <chrisowen> are you sitty comftybold at your 64-square boardy-box of trickle treats?|
|Apr-12-12|| ||cro777: Robert James Fischer - Lkhamsürengiin Myagmarsüren |
(Interzonal tournament in Sousse, Tunisia 1967)
1. e4 e6 2. d3 d5 3. Nd2 Nf6 4. g3 c5 5. Bg2 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Be7 7. O-O O-O 8. e5 Nd7 9. Re1 b5 10. Nf1 b4 11. h4 a5 12. Bf4 a4
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<13. a3> The aim is to maintain control of the dark squares by preventing ...a3 by Black.
The same idea used GM Gregory Kaidanov against GM Friso Nijboer at the 33rd Chess Olympiad in Elista, Russia 1998. (The same position was reached via the Sicilian Defense move order).
|Apr-12-12|| ||chrisowen: <ray keene> <cro777> <qqdos> A net vaulter polemist field graced heaver in great double act opening era pa3- enlighten this have you deframafraid liker bengalese bagh curry favour angelic rookf6 pawna3 tricky. |
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|Apr-12-12|| ||cro777: <chrisowen> Against Myagmarsüren Fischer had to find another subtle move, repositioning his light-squared bishop.|
Position after 28...Ra7
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The game continued 29...dxc2? (Black should have played 29...Bb7) 30. Qh6 Qf8 31. Qxh7+ 1-0
Of course, against Benko, threatening again Qxh7 mate, 19.Rf6 was an ingenious sacrifice.
|Apr-12-12|| ||ray keene: <qqdos> i think thats the stanley unwin version of english rather than the james joyce finnegans wake version favoured by <chrisowen> whom i also deeply suspect of being <cro777> in another incarnation!|
|Apr-12-12|| ||ray keene: <ozmikey> i was on fosters then-1979-only aussie beer i had heard of-tell me more about fourex-able to get it in uk? tried some non alcoholic beers a few days ago ( was with recovering alcoholic pal-so didnt wish to tempt him) first two were ok but third tasted like ****|
|Apr-12-12|| ||Paint My Dragon: Ray - It's fortunate you wrote "tasted like ****" and not "tasted like XXXX".|
I suspect your sixth sense was alerted, as 'Fourex' is Castlemaine XXXX, one of the most popular Aussie beers over here. You may recall the advertising campaign on TV ...
Anyway, well done for avoiding the banana skin and maintaining good cultural relations!
|Apr-13-12|| ||ozmikey: <Paint My Dragon> Ha! I remember that ad campaign. Bettered, I'm afraid, by this one from a few years back:|
The tatty tournament book of Brisbane 1979 was actually one of the first chess books I owned...I still remember GM Lein's very fine endgame win over Terrey Shaw and GM Keene's cunning e4 and Re2 trick against the up-and-coming Ian Rogers.
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|Apr-13-12|| ||cro777: COUNTERCHECK WITH THE KING!
Peter Svidler - Alexander Morozevich
(Russian Team Championships 2012, Round 5)
Position after 17.Nxc6+
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17...Kd7+ A discovered countercheck!!
|Apr-23-12|| ||waustad: If one calls 1.) c4 e6 the Agincourt opening, what should we call 1.) c4 f5? Perhaps Camperdown would work.|
|May-05-12|| ||ray keene: Great news to hear that Eric Schillers book on the Pterodactyl is now out!!|
|May-08-12|| ||HeMateMe: Hi Ray, have you any prediction on the upcoming Anand-Gelfand match? Will you be annotating some of the games in your newspaper column?|
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