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|Sep-23-06|| ||Broon Bottle: Yes, Raymond. I think you've got a little excited.|
|Sep-23-06|| ||Joshka: <RayKeene> allright, very bold of ya to predict Topalov by a full 2 pts, even when he is down a full point now:-).....I'd take any kind of wager with you on this one!:-)..thanks again for your views!|
|Sep-23-06|| ||Domdaniel: <ray keene> - < i thought i was the only person ever to play --bxc3+ unprovoked as early as move 4!! >|
Not quite, no. But your 1961 win against Sugden - in the British Boys u-14, yet - seems to have been the last win scored by Black in the 20th century. It's followed in the CG database by about 30 White wins, including one between Speelman & Short. For some reason, Black has started to score with it again recently.
Am I right in thinking Nimzowitsch never played 4.e3 Bxc3+ ? I know he played the even more provocative 4.Qc2 Bxc3+ - you wrote about it in A Reappraisal - but he seems always to have waited at least a move after 4.e3.
It's fun to see the dashing style of your youth in action. I have various copies of Chess and BCM dated 1968-75, and there are regular complaints about the 'lack of spirit' and 'willingness to draw' shown by 'younger players, especially RD Keene'. You were setting a bad example, apparently - that must be how you and several others finally achieved GM titles from '76 on.
Just curious - was it a gradual change, or did you decide at some specific point to play more positionally?
|Sep-23-06|| ||ray keene: nimzo played bxc3 without being provoked eg v johner dresden 1926 -a famous blockade game-but against 4e3 i am sure he never did it as early as move 4.|
in fact i started out as a very positional player indeed and i made a conscious effort to improve my tactics. a lot of the whingeing about my style was from people like ritson morry who had their own axes to grind-i write about this in my forthcoming book on petrosian-in the context of the criticisms levelled against petrosian in the soviet press after the 1956 candidates tournament.
for example i won the woolacombe international in 1973-the strongest all play all outside hastings in the uk for many years-and in his bcm report ritson morry failed to give any of my wins and only mentioned in passing that i had won the event! the british championship i won included several games of huge length -one over 120 moves- but i was of course criticised by ritson morry for lack of fighting spirit! he was so far off the truth then that there was an outcry and the decline of his influence over the bcm dates from that point.
|Sep-23-06|| ||Domdaniel: Thanks, Ray. I've just been looking at Ritson Morry's account of the 1968 British championship. Gems like "Those who came expecting fireworks in the battle for the lead must have been somewhat chastened in spirit when Penrose v Keene was agreed a draw in 21 moves" - I wonder what exactly you were expected to do as Black against the tournament leader and 8-9 times champion? A dashing loss, perhaps?|
Draws? "Spineless and futile" ... "bring British chess into ridicule" ... etc, etc.
Plus ca change... but your games in the 1970s had a strong influence on me. Not just openings and overall style - I once had 7 draws in a strong regional championship. All gritty and hard-fought, of course...
|Sep-23-06|| ||ray keene: i followed petrosians philosophy-if nobody can beat you eventually you will beat them-so in the end i finished up with 4 wins against penrose , several draws and no losses.|
i went thru the 1968 1970 1971 and 1972 british championships-which for me were consecutive, because i was playing in the world students in 1969-with no losses ( 44 games) and in the 1968 and 1970 olympiads playing mainly on boards 1 and 2 i avoided loss entirely over a run of 32 games.
in the course of the above events i won first prize in the british once and shared second three times, while in the olympiads i won the individual bronze medal and gained the first im norm by a british player for 10 years.
i think this sort of style -and its results-infuriated ritson morry and some others who frankly preferred to see british players sacrifice wildly and hope to crash through.
there were many british players who espoused this hit and miss style and indeed the occasional giant was felled by such tactics, including even smyslov, hort, gligoric,mecking and szabo, but it was no way to build up real chess understanding.
although hartston was my closest rival in those days i appeciated his style very much because i felt he too was striving to play chess as perfectly as he could.
|Sep-23-06|| ||veigaman: ray, there is a young venezuelan player called IM eduardo iturrizaga who has the three gm norms but he is just 2350 because of the lack of invitation to international events. He had a tremendous perfomance in the olympiad in turin being the player who increase most his rating and beating GM as Adgeistein and others good players and just losing one game. I wonder if a chess man like you can help Iturrizaga to play some events in europe.
He is a very talented person who can become the first venezuelan GM if he get the oints because he already has the 3 norms|
|Sep-24-06|| ||ray keene: <veigaman> send me some more details and i will see what we can do-sounds like a deserving case!|
|Sep-24-06|| ||Uzi: <for example i won the woolacombe international in 1973-the strongest all play all outside hastings in the uk for many years-and in his bcm report ritson morry failed to give any of my wins and only mentioned in passing that i had won the event!>|
The BCM devoted just over 4 double column pages to the North Devon Congress in its November 1973 issue, including the results of the two minor open tournaments. Perhaps more attention should have been given to the main event, but 6 game scores were printed, including Keene v Cardoso 0-1, and S Hutchings vs Keene, 1973, 0-1.
|Sep-24-06|| ||Ron: I liked the recent question by veigaman about who was best with their king. Here are my thoughts on the other pieces and players:|
King: I agree with the mention of Petrosian, Nimzowitsch and Steinitz
Queen: Alekhine, Capablanca, Fischer, Kasparov
Rook: Spassky, Topalov
Bishops: Tal, Fisher, Kasparov
Knights: Nimzowitch, Petrosian
|Sep-24-06|| ||veigaman: check these one ray:
E Iturrizaga vs S Agdestein, 2006
R Markus vs E Iturrizaga, 2006
R Markus vs E Iturrizaga, 2006
E Iturrizaga vs Meng-Kong Wong, 2006
E Iturrizaga vs Lputian, 2006
|Sep-24-06|| ||veigaman: i think he is great talent in spite of his lack of theorical fundamentals because of our poor chess traditions. I think he can be the first venezuelan grandmaster. he got the three norm but he doesnt have the points yet|
|Sep-24-06|| ||acirce: Does chess get much (or any) governmental support in Venezuela? I read something about one of these "misiones" - Misión Ajedrez - that seems to be intended to combine alphabetization with the popularization of chess, or something like that.|
|Sep-24-06|| ||veigaman: Venezuela doesnt have any support to chess and sports. We dont have organization|
|Sep-24-06|| ||acirce: Ok, thanks.|
|Sep-24-06|| ||Uzi: Chazev thinks Venezuelans need Chomsky before chess. Bad move.|
|Sep-25-06|| ||ray keene: <uzi> you are right-in his report of woolacombe 1973 ritson morry did publish just one of my wins -as well as my only loss. but if you look at the report again i think you will see why i felt a bit shortchanged by the coverage-i won first prize outright, ahead of basman who had just shared first in the british championship, and whom i had defeated in a dramatic game at woolacombe. the tournament included welsh scottish and british champions and was-as i said-arguably the strongest all play all outside of hastings held in the uk for around twenty years ( soon to be superseded by the gre tournament in london a couple of months later)-yet the fact that i had won is really only mentioned as an afterthought-luckily the writer was more or less forced to publish the tournament table!|
if you look in your archives you will see that ritson morrys report of the british chsampionship i won-1971- was similarly jaundiced.
|Sep-25-06|| ||vonKrolock: <ray> Good morning, i wish this message arrive in a good moment - wonderfull news from Elista - Legitimity will triumph!!|
|Sep-25-06|| ||Domdaniel: <ray> I've checked my ancient decaying chess videos - no sign of the one you want. Hope it turns up.|
|Sep-26-06|| ||vonKrolock: ... it should be "legitimacy", i believe - well, individual encounters like this should not be extinguished, they are much more interesting than match-tournaments|
|Sep-26-06|| ||ray keene: my book on petrosian is now out-malcolm pein has copies in his chess shop in euston road london|
|Sep-27-06|| ||Quintiliano: Grand Master Keene, your book on Petrosian sounds like a dream coming true, as Petrosian and yourself are among my favourite chess players. I hope it's available on Amazon. Strange that you're not a supporter of Kramnik, though (your style is not unlike Vlad's).|
|Sep-27-06|| ||ray keene: my petrosian book shd be available now on amazon-its called petrosian v the elite and only has main games v very strong gm opposition|
i am a very strong kramnik supporter-its just that objectively i felt that topalov wd probably win
indeed topalov has been the more creative of the two so far but also the more nervous-this may change-he adapts very quickly
|Sep-27-06|| ||Chess Carnival: Hello Ray Keene! Greetings from Brazil!
Watching your games and your openings choices got me interested in your books. Having found already a lot of them in amazon.com, I've been wondering if there is a complete list (or something alike) somewhere else. It would be easier to navigate through and also an indication of best internet places to buy would help a lot. Thanks in advance!
|Sep-28-06|| ||Joshka: <RayKeene> Care to make a comment about the protest from the Topalov camp, about Kramnik leaving the board so often during everygame? Shouldn't there be a limit to the amount of time one spends away from the board? If not why play at the board!!?? Just play in different rooms, blindfolded persay, and have a "Move runner" give the moves to the arbiter so he can make them at the board? If they are playing a "board " game, they need to be at the board. IMHO Appreciate always your authoritative comments, thanks in advance!|
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