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|Feb-15-07|| ||HannibalSchlecter: I would amend the quote to "A patzer without a burning desire to become great must realize he will never become a GM" The quote as it was originally written is hogwash.|
|Mar-19-07|| ||erimiro1: Liberzon passed away 11 years ago. Good reason for not playing anymore...|
|Apr-21-07|| ||PAWNTOEFOUR: since 99.5% of the chess playing public isn't titled,i guess there's a lot of patzer's out there,right?|
|Sep-03-07|| ||TheaN: <erimiro1: Liberzon passed away 11 years ago. Good reason for not playing anymore...>|
Liberzon indeed passed away in 1996. The exact date is hard to find, however.
|Feb-12-08|| ||whiteshark: Quote of the Day (again)
" A patzer must realize that he will not become a GM. "
-- Vladimir Liberzon
Oh, nooooo! How disillusioning.
|Feb-12-08|| ||blacksburg: i once heard a quote, i can't remember from whom, but it was along the lines of |
"sometimes i think that the only chessplayers that actually ENJOY the game are total patzers."
i think it actually is important for us patzers to realize that we will never be GM's, and we should simply enjoy the game and forget about any ambitions to become world-class.
|Feb-12-08|| ||whiteshark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladim...
Is the founder of the Russian project management consulting company <Spider Management Technologies> (www.spiderproject.ru) related to him ?
|Feb-12-08|| ||brankat: <whiteshark> <Oh, nooooo! How disillusioning.>|
Mr.Liberzon was either joking, or else he was clearly wrong. So, don't give up yet :-)
|Feb-12-08|| ||arsen387: <blacksburg> very interesting point and I am also inclined to think so. But I don't agree with the last sentence. My opinion is:|
i think it actually is important for us patzers to realize that if we really want to become GMs, then we should forget about the joy that this game can bring and start learning the dreadful theory, memorize thousands of games and positions and spend 90% of time over the board.
In my case, I haven't any far going professional plans in chess and can enjoy with all the beauty that I find almost every day in chess. And my "motto" in life is that diligence can break down every wall, so IMO every patzer can become a GM, if he really works in that direction.
|Jun-07-08|| ||whiteshark: Quote of the Day
<A patzer must realize that he will not become a GM.>
-- Vladimir Liberzon
I can't, so I am not.
|Aug-05-08|| ||darook: No doubt he was joking. He had a wicked sense of humor. RIP (1996).|
|Mar-23-09|| ||BIDMONFA: Vladimir Mikhailovich Liberzon|
LIBERZON, Vladimir M.
|Mar-23-09|| ||kramputz: http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwi...|
|Mar-23-09|| ||WhiteRook48: how can a patzer never become a GM?|
|Jun-11-09|| ||Phony Benoni: I think the idea is that <patzer> is not a temporary state, but a long-term fate. You don't become a patzer without years and years of effort.|
|Jun-11-09|| ||tamar: Patzer is a loaded word like klutz, so it is like saying a klutz must realize he will never dance for the Bolshoi.|
Ordinarily we don't call beginners patzers; it is reserved for those who play for a long time and do not improve.
I like Lasker's saying: We are all patzers in life.
|Dec-30-10|| ||laskereshevsky: <......A patzer must realize that he will not become a GM.....>|
Rude humor, but 99% true....
|Mar-23-12|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. POTD.|
|Mar-23-12|| ||srag: <Phony Benoni> You are one hundred per cent right! I have been a patzer for thirty-nine years! ...|
|Dec-23-12|| ||Caissanist: <blacksburg> may have been referring to the Alfred Kreymborg quote from "Chess Reclaims a Devotee": "The people who really enjoy chess are the dubs and duffers, the experts who have resigned their ambitions, and now play for the pastime, and the fraternity of kibitzers." http://www.unz.org/Pub/AmMercury-19...|
|Mar-23-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Vladimir Liberzon.|
|Mar-23-16|| ||hemy: R.I.P. Vladimir Liberzon.
Vladimir immigrated to Israel from the Soviet Union in 1973.
We played together in Israeli Premier League in "Bat Yam" team and became a friends.
Vladimir had mechanical engineer diploma and I helped him to get a job as a teacher of mechanical drawing in college "Yad Singalovski" in Tel Aviv. Vladimir left this job after few months, because he needed job with more flexibility of vacations, to participate in tournaments.
In 1975 he left "Bat Yam" for "Hapoel" Rishon Le Zion team and I was promoted to the 1st board.
We had many meetings, mostly at my places, in Bat Yam, later in Eilat and Rechovot.
We met also in Netanya during chess tournament 1984. He dragged me to his room to show his games.
Once we played in "Bat Yam" - "Hapoel" Rishon Le Zion match.
Vladimir won this game and published it in his book in Hebrew "עונג שחמט" ("Pleasure of Chess").
In December 1978 when I played in Rishon Le Zion Jubilee tournament Vladimir came to wish me luck just before my game with IM Shimon Kagan.
I guess he was impressed with my win against GM Roman Dzindzichashvili a day before, since he told me "today you will win". I wish I would. My worst record in Israel was with Shimon Kagan - 0:3, even I had big advantage in one of the games.
Last time I met Vladimir in November 1993, before going to Russia as a head of Israel "Sohnut" office in Nizhny Novgorod (former Gorky) city.
Vladimir asked me to pass envelope with letter and $400 to his friend in Moskva. I met his friend the second day I was in Moskva.
At this time Vladimir was divorced, he had girlfriend, 30 years old
newcomer from Russia and was happy.
I remember also his sensitivity for tea or coffee, he wouldn't sleep at night after having tea or coffee at lunch time.
He liked to share with everyone jokes in Russian language and was loudly laughing while telling them.
|Jul-25-16|| ||posoo: dis man is TOO MEAN TO PEOPLE and his games shod be REMOVED from da site entiarly. |
BUT i do not have any fath dat dat will happun. after all, if CHUSGUMBS dos not remoove da games of NIGLUS SHOAT after wat HE did, then dis man is probaly safe.
|Jul-25-16|| ||whiteshark: <hemy> Thanks for sharing!|
There's also a fine article about Liberzon, here: http://tartajubow.blogspot.de/2013/...
|Jul-26-16|| ||hemy: <whiteshark>thanks for posting the link to the article about Vladimir. |
<In one of his books he posed the question, "What is the best variation of Alekhine's Defense?" Answer: "They are all bad."> I played Alekhine's Defense in our game he published in this book under the header "Using space advantage".
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