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Jan-21-10
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| talisman: you're right jim but you know he's losing it... |
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| Jan-21-10 |
| pulsar: I wish to see Shirov win all his games in Corus 2010. Ain't too much to ask with the conflagration he started, eh? |
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| Jan-23-10 |
| The Rocket: "Sorry, but you forgot to count my vote. I was <very> interested." Oh sorry then lite me rephrase it:
Nobody was interested in a kasparov-Shirov match apart from chessgames.com member Appaz. |
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| Jan-23-10 |
| schroedingers cat: <The Rocket> ...and talisman, and schroedinger's cat and enthusiasted chess fans. |
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Jan-24-10
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| Domdaniel: A glance at the CG database statistics page will explain Shirov's explosive start at Corus -- he has finally overtaken Kasparov in total number of games, now leading 2345 to 2338. The monkey is off his back. |
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| Jan-27-10 |
| Mr. Bojangles: Shirov has been a top GM since 1992 or so. He started declining about 5 years ago. How would history rate his career? |
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| Jan-27-10 |
| HeMateMe: I would think history will liken him to David Bronstein. Very creative, brilliant tactician, not so consistent, not so good strategically, at the highest levels. Shirov, at his peak, earned a world championship match. But, the title was being held privately by Mr. Kasparov, who cheated Shirov out of a match, and $200,000 or so of earnings. Shirov would have lost to kasparov, just as Bronstein lost to Botvinnik. But, if not for Kasparov's dishonestly, Shirov would have a world championship match on his resume, as befits a world's top five player. |
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Jan-27-10
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| talisman: <HeMateMe> from someone who has K-bitzed way too many times on this subject, i want to congratulate you on putting it all in the crucible and boiling it down to the indisputable facts. thanks! |
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| Jan-28-10 |
| Mr. Bojangles: <HeMateMe: I would think history will liken him to David Bronstein. Very creative, brilliant tactician, not so consistent, not so good strategically, at the highest levels. Shirov, at his peak, earned a world championship match. But, the title was being held privately by Mr. Kasparov, who cheated Shirov out of a match, and $200,000 or so of earnings. Shirov would have lost to kasparov, just as Bronstein lost to Botvinnik. But, if not for Kasparov's dishonestly, Shirov would have a world championship match on his resume, as befits a world's top five player.> Short but sweet. |
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Jan-28-10
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| talisman: And...for all the chess "fans" like me, we would have some games to go over and appreciate; not to mention enjoy while they're going on....let's just end that messed up situation with a preposition. |
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| Jan-29-10 |
| The Rocket: "Shirov would have lost to kasparov"
if he beats kramnik with ease in 1998 without losing a game you still dont think he could beat kasparov in 2000?.... you would have to say that kramnik was a new player in 2000 to conclude shirov for sure would have lost in 2000... Kramnik of says there was a clear difference between himself in 1998 and 2000 so I guess we will have to take his word for it?. |
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Jan-29-10
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| whatthefat: <The Rocket: you would have to say that kramnik was a new player in 2000 to conclude shirov for sure would have lost in 2000...> Not really, it's just that Shirov's style never worked against Kasparov. The record was equally lopsided both before and after 2000: search "shirov kasparov" While I don't think the match would have been a total whitewash, Kasparov would have to be a strong favorite. |
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Jan-29-10
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| whatthefat: Regarding why Shirov did so poorly against Kasparov, an earlier study I did may give some insight: <Games are separated using the criterion: "Have queens been traded by the 30th move (or the end of the game, depending which comes first)?" Results for <player A-player B> are presented as probabilities of <player A wins / draw / player B wins>.<Kramnik-Topalov>
Queens not traded: 0.35 / 0.45 / 0.20
Queens traded: 0.30 / 0.67 / 0.04
<Shirov-Topalov>
Queens not traded: 0.36 / 0.39 / 0.25
Queens traded: 0.28 / 0.48 / 0.24
<Shirov-Kramnik>
Queens not traded: 0.35 / 0.50 / 0.15
Queens traded: 0.23 / 0.59 / 0.18
<Kramnik-Kasparov>
Queens not traded: 0.19 / 0.62 / 0.19
Queens traded: 0.11 / 0.79 / 0.09
Given how close this record is, the fact that Shirov dominates Kramnik makes Kasparov-Shirov an interesting match up, though there is less data to work from: <Kasparov-Shirov>
Queens not traded: 0.47 / 0.53 / 0.00
Queens traded: 0.57 / 0.43 / 0.00
This is a completely unexpected result, given that Shirov convincingly beats both Kramnik and Topalov. Obviously this method is insufficient to explain why, but it still at least gives some insight. Despite being an excellent endgame player, Shirov's results are actually worse with an early queen trade. This suggests to me that Shirov's problems against Kasparov are emerging earlier in the game, i.e., he is being consistently out prepared.> |
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Jan-29-10
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| talisman: k-bitz number 2,200 goes tooooooooooooooooo...SHIROV!
yes alexei it's yours to enjoy.
good luck tomorrow.
22(Joe Labruzzo, Dickie Post,and maybe Elijah Pitts send you goood karma).
<whatthefat> that was some really interesting stuff. Thanks! i always wanted to see the kasparov-shirov match just from a fans viewpoint.just to see what each would play etc.. thanks again. |
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| Feb-12-10 |
| siamesedream: 12-year-old beat Shirov in simul:
Pranav Sharma vs. Alexei Shirov
Simultaneous exhibition, Ottawa, Feb. 11, 2010
1.e4 c5 2.Nc3 Nc6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.d3 d6 6.Be3 Rb8 7.f4 b5 8.Qc1 b4 9.Nce2 e5 10.Nf3 Nge7 11.f5 gxf5 12.Bh6 Bxh6 13.Qxh6 fxe4 14.Ng5 exd3
15.Qg7 Rg8 16.Bxc6+ 1-0
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/G... |
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| Feb-12-10 |
| Etienne: "Shirov would have lost to kasparov, just as Bronstein lost to Botvinnik." What? Bronstein lost his match against Botvinnik? Get your facts straight... |
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| Feb-16-10 |
| HeMateMe: When 12-year-old Pranav Sharma knocked off Latvian chess superstar <Alexei Shirov> in Ottawa last Thursday — in just 16 moves, no less — he celebrated by gorging on New York Fries, one of his favourite treats. But when 16-year-old Karoly Szalay did the same thing, his celebration, if you can call it that, was much more muted. “I went home and was really tired and went to sleep,” Karoly, a Grade 11 student at Lisgar Collegiate, said Saturday. The two were the only ones to defeat Shirov during the contest, which saw the Latvian grandmaster take on <36 of Ottawa’s best chess players >simultaneously. Players paid a fee to participate in the “simul” match. While both young players were delighted by their success against one of the world’s top players, their response reflects the difference in their ages and chess accomplishments. <Karoly is the Canadian under-16 champion.> Last year, he defeated older players to capture the Ottawa Chess Club championship. He started playing chess about a decade ago and has already achieved master status in Canada. Pranav, in Grade 7 at Glashan Public School, was introduced to chess by his best friend, Agastya Kalra, five years ago. He’s played in more than 30 tournaments, most against adult competition. Chess players are ranked by points they accumulate by winning matches. To become a master in Canada, a player needs a rating of 2,200 or more. Karoly already has 2,356, according to the chess federation website. Pranav has just over 1,500. How did two young players with such varying skills manage to beat one of the world’s top grandmasters? Both credit their tactics in part. “I played a tactic which I guess he didn’t see,” says Pranav. “He kept playing the way I wanted him to play, so I just went along with that. Then I used my tactics, and I beat him.” Karoly used an opening he had studied a year ago when preparing for another match. Shirov, he says, “recognized it instantly. It was pretty neat playing him, since he knew the opening, and just rattled his moves off really fast.” But other factors helped level the playing field. For one thing, Shirov had just flown in from Latvia. And because he was playing 36 opponents at once, he had only a few seconds to make each move. “I get a few minutes per move,” says Karoly. In a one-on-one game, Karoly acknowledges he’d have little chance against a player of Shirov’s calibre. “I might last a few hours, but I wouldn’t have much chance to win, or even draw.” Even so, Karoly acknowledges, winning the match against Shirov “is still pretty good, a nice achievement.” .......He beat Shirov, by focussing on tactics! thats grabbing a bear by the nose! |
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Feb-16-10
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| ughaibu: There dont appear to be any games of Sharma in the database, and only five of Szalay. Is anyone planning to upload these Shirov games? |
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| Mar-19-10 |
| VladimirOo: Anybody knows next Shirov's tournament ? By the way, is there any way to get in touch with his intents (web site...)? thx. |
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Mar-19-10
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| suenteus po 147: <VladimirOo> I couldn't say for sure, but my guess is that Shirov's next event will be Mtel since he won there last year. Aside from that, I have no idea. Also, I don't if he even has an official website or not. |
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| Mar-21-10 |
| VladimirOo: Thank you,
In fact, in was playing yesterday in Bundesliga, very interesting stuff he did!In need some help, who could you suggest to enrich this list of players, Tal, Shirov, Shabalov ...
They are all latvian, ok, but that's not the point. I mean players always seeking for tremendous complications, throwing chaos on board and barely looking at computeresque evaluations of the position, but rather its potential in complications and tactics... |
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| May-07-10 |
| VladimirOo: Does anybody know where I can find his "Fire on board" in russian ? And under which title is it printed ? |
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| Jul-12-10 |
| theagenbiteofoutwit: I have questions about Alexi Shirov's play for the better part of the past decade that probably won't be answered. Did the elite "solve" Shirov? I don't think we'll ever again see a Shirov victory with black against someone like Kramnik as a result of a not completely sound, but terribly complicated sacrifice. Did the Kasparov deal do permanent psychological damage to Shirov's game that he never recovered from? The only think the man himself says to account for what are the most inconsistent results in chess is that it's all in the preparation, which I don't believe for a second. |
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| Sep-02-10 |
| dmillergp: Bronstein did not lose the match to Botvinnik, it was a tie, and Bronstein may have been forced to lose game 23. |
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Sep-02-10
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| twinlark: That was apparently what he told Fischer. |
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