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Jan-20-10
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| HeMateMe: Shirov is running at 3500 in this tournament--new breakfast cereal? |
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Jan-20-10
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| wordfunph: four over four!
FOUR on board este FIRE on board!
make it FIVE on board Alexey! |
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| Jan-21-10 |
| bharatiy: Its five now. 5/5, no one can do it better |
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Jan-21-10
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| Billy Vaughan: Five out of five! Shirov's on fire! |
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| Jan-21-10 |
| bharatiy: Its unfair to Shirov that he is the bet so far in this tournament and people are only talking about Naka and Carlsen. Everyone is expecting him to do bad in later part. Unfair. |
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Jan-21-10
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| hedgeh0g: It's probably helpful, though, because it's easier for him to focus on his own game. |
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| Jan-21-10 |
| Jim Bartle: All that matters is what the score is after 13 rounds. Who cares what people are talkling about today? |
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| Jan-21-10 |
| masterwojtek: Round 7 to 11 will be a real test for him. |
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Jan-21-10
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| talisman: dickie V called to say Jim Bartle is right BayBaaay...it's Alexieaaaaa!
Tal said love is good for chess...shirov's got a new girlfriend. Playing abroad...new broad...fire on board...nuff said. |
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| Jan-21-10 |
| Jim Bartle: Dick Vitale calling chess? Talk about a nightmare. |
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Jan-21-10
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| wordfunph: come on Alexey...you can make it over Nigel.
i wish to see 6/6!
TPR of Shirov after 5 rounds...anyone? thanks. |
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Jan-21-10
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| talisman: you're right jim but you know he's losing it... |
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Jan-21-10
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| pulsar: I wish to see Shirov win all his games in Corus 2010. Ain't too much to ask with the conflagration he started, eh? |
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| Jan-23-10 |
| The Rocket: "Sorry, but you forgot to count my vote. I was <very> interested." Oh sorry then lite me rephrase it:
Nobody was interested in a kasparov-Shirov match apart from chessgames.com member Appaz. |
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| Jan-23-10 |
| schroedingers cat: <The Rocket> ...and talisman, and schroedinger's cat and enthusiasted chess fans. |
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Jan-24-10
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| Domdaniel: A glance at the CG database statistics page will explain Shirov's explosive start at Corus -- he has finally overtaken Kasparov in total number of games, now leading 2345 to 2338. The monkey is off his back. |
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| Jan-27-10 |
| Mr. Bojangles: Shirov has been a top GM since 1992 or so. He started declining about 5 years ago. How would history rate his career? |
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Jan-27-10
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| HeMateMe: I would think history will liken him to David Bronstein. Very creative, brilliant tactician, not so consistent, not so good strategically, at the highest levels. Shirov, at his peak, earned a world championship match. But, the title was being held privately by Mr. Kasparov, who cheated Shirov out of a match, and $200,000 or so of earnings. Shirov would have lost to kasparov, just as Bronstein lost to Botvinnik. But, if not for Kasparov's dishonestly, Shirov would have a world championship match on his resume, as befits a world's top five player. |
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Jan-27-10
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| talisman: <HeMateMe> from someone who has K-bitzed way too many times on this subject, i want to congratulate you on putting it all in the crucible and boiling it down to the indisputable facts. thanks! |
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| Jan-28-10 |
| Mr. Bojangles: <HeMateMe: I would think history will liken him to David Bronstein. Very creative, brilliant tactician, not so consistent, not so good strategically, at the highest levels. Shirov, at his peak, earned a world championship match. But, the title was being held privately by Mr. Kasparov, who cheated Shirov out of a match, and $200,000 or so of earnings. Shirov would have lost to kasparov, just as Bronstein lost to Botvinnik. But, if not for Kasparov's dishonestly, Shirov would have a world championship match on his resume, as befits a world's top five player.> Short but sweet. |
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Jan-28-10
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| talisman: And...for all the chess "fans" like me, we would have some games to go over and appreciate; not to mention enjoy while they're going on....let's just end that messed up situation with a preposition. |
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| Jan-29-10 |
| The Rocket: "Shirov would have lost to kasparov"
if he beats kramnik with ease in 1998 without losing a game you still dont think he could beat kasparov in 2000?.... you would have to say that kramnik was a new player in 2000 to conclude shirov for sure would have lost in 2000... Kramnik of says there was a clear difference between himself in 1998 and 2000 so I guess we will have to take his word for it?. |
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Jan-29-10
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| whatthefat: <The Rocket: you would have to say that kramnik was a new player in 2000 to conclude shirov for sure would have lost in 2000...> Not really, it's just that Shirov's style never worked against Kasparov. The record was equally lopsided both before and after 2000: search "shirov kasparov" While I don't think the match would have been a total whitewash, Kasparov would have to be a strong favorite. |
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Jan-29-10
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| whatthefat: Regarding why Shirov did so poorly against Kasparov, an earlier study I did may give some insight: <Games are separated using the criterion: "Have queens been traded by the 30th move (or the end of the game, depending which comes first)?" Results for <player A-player B> are presented as probabilities of <player A wins / draw / player B wins>.<Kramnik-Topalov>
Queens not traded: 0.35 / 0.45 / 0.20
Queens traded: 0.30 / 0.67 / 0.04
<Shirov-Topalov>
Queens not traded: 0.36 / 0.39 / 0.25
Queens traded: 0.28 / 0.48 / 0.24
<Shirov-Kramnik>
Queens not traded: 0.35 / 0.50 / 0.15
Queens traded: 0.23 / 0.59 / 0.18
<Kramnik-Kasparov>
Queens not traded: 0.19 / 0.62 / 0.19
Queens traded: 0.11 / 0.79 / 0.09
Given how close this record is, the fact that Shirov dominates Kramnik makes Kasparov-Shirov an interesting match up, though there is less data to work from: <Kasparov-Shirov>
Queens not traded: 0.47 / 0.53 / 0.00
Queens traded: 0.57 / 0.43 / 0.00
This is a completely unexpected result, given that Shirov convincingly beats both Kramnik and Topalov. Obviously this method is insufficient to explain why, but it still at least gives some insight. Despite being an excellent endgame player, Shirov's results are actually worse with an early queen trade. This suggests to me that Shirov's problems against Kasparov are emerging earlier in the game, i.e., he is being consistently out prepared.> |
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Jan-29-10
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| talisman: k-bitz number 2,200 goes tooooooooooooooooo...SHIROV!
yes alexei it's yours to enjoy.
good luck tomorrow.
22(Joe Labruzzo, Dickie Post,and maybe Elijah Pitts send you goood karma).
<whatthefat> that was some really interesting stuff. Thanks! i always wanted to see the kasparov-shirov match just from a fans viewpoint.just to see what each would play etc.. thanks again. |
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