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|Sep-07-04|| ||offramp: Bob Cunningham says:
"I have received a number of comments on my proposition that Kasparov's name should be pronounced "Harry" by English speakers.
Most of them were by private e-mail, so I can't quote them directly. One responder, who seemed to have a good knowledge of Russian, agreed with me that the double "r" is not found in native Russian words. All of the words he could think of were foreign importations. This seems to make it clear that the name "Garry"
came from somewhere outside Russian. The fact that his father had a Western European sounding name (which I don't remember at the moment) strongly suggests to me that "Garry" came from the name "Harry", which probably came from the family's western roots.
Another responder said that he had discussed Kasparov's first name with him early in Kasparov's career. Apparently Kasparov wanted help in deciding how his name should be expressed in the international chess community. "Garry", "Gary", and "Harry" were considered, and the aforementioned responder recommended "Gary".
I personally believe that when a name is a transliteration from English, it should resume its original English spelling when translated back. If a Russian writer wanted to talk about our President Harrison, he would spell it and pronounce it "Garrison",
but if I were translating his work into English I would spell it and pronounce it "Harrison".
One responder mentioned an example of English retaining the slavic transliteration: He said that the name "Gurevich" was originally a slavic rendition of "Horowitz". I find about nineteen non-anglicized versions in my local 'phone book (divided among Gurevich, Gurewitz, Gurevitz, and Gurevitch).
Anyhow, until I hear otherwise from Kasparov or someone with authority to speak for him, I am going to think of the world's best chess player as Harry Kasparov."
<acirce> I think I was thinking of Kasparyan.
|Sep-07-04|| ||WMD: During the 1986 WC match, Kasparov accused Vladimirov, one of his seconds, of passing information to Karpov's camp. This came after Gary had lost three straight games, nos 16-18. |
|Sep-12-04|| ||yoozum: is harry really short for henry though? it seems weird considering they both have the same letters. unlike bob/robert, dick/richard, etc.. |
|Sep-13-04|| ||Lawrence: <yoozum>, not a "short" form, just a friendly alternative. Compare John/Jack and James/Jimmy. |
|Sep-13-04|| ||yoozum: yeah, i forgot about james/jimmy but is jack really a nickname for john? weird. |
|Dec-28-04|| ||WMD: I don't think the name Gary/Garry was used before its adoption by the film star Gary Cooper.|
"Nan (Collins, a studio casting director) came from Gary, Indiana, and suggested I adopt that name. She felt it was more exciting than Frank. I figured I'd give it a try. Good thing she didn't come from Poughkeepsie."
|Dec-28-04|| ||Lawrence: <WMD>, ain't Google incredible? http://baby-names.adoption.com/sear...
says that "Gary" is Old English, Latin, Teutonic, and means "spear carrier." |
|Feb-21-05|| ||roni.chessman: Yeouch this got annihilated by Hydra!!! |
|May-18-05|| ||cu8sfan: Is today's player of the day actually two players? This guy here played U20 in 1975 so he can be born no earlier than 1955. I think it highly unlikely that he played against Spassky in 1961. The later games must be from http://fide.com/ratings/card.phtml?..., born Jan 20th, 1957.|
|May-18-05|| ||Runemaster: <Lawrence> "gar" means "spear" in Old English, but I'd never associated it with the name Gary before.|
|May-18-05|| ||WTHarvey: The earliest game by Evgeny in Chess Assistant 8.0, is 1967 (a club game against Beliavsky). However, there are 9 Vladimirovs that CA covers.|
Here are some puzzles from Evgeny's early games: http://www.wtharvey.com/vlad.html
|Oct-28-05|| ||Astardis: Harry Kasparov, right. now, why don't we go all the way and drop that un-american v at the end? why not call him Harry Kasp? and since the K is not used that much in America either, why not Harry Casp?
Gotta love you Americans... God bless the USA|
|Nov-30-05|| ||Steppenwolf: Harry Cask would be best|
|Jan-09-06|| ||BIDMONFA: Evgeny Vladimirov|
Sub-Champion European Championship Junior 1977
|Jan-20-08|| ||BIDMONFA: Evgeny Vladimirov|
|Jan-20-08|| ||whiteshark: If you want to make your Fide trainer licence in Kazakhstan, contact|
GM Evgeny VLADIMIROV
via email: firstname.lastname@example.org
|Dec-07-08|| ||Karpova: Edward Winter:
<As is well known, after losing three consecutive games to Karpov, Kasparov accused Vladimirov, his second, of treachery. He repeated his denunciation, at length, on pages 203-208 of "Child of Change". A couple of sample extracts follow:
‘... the logic of the way things developed then, prove, to my mind though Vladimirov denies it – that I was betrayed ...’ (page 204)
‘I have often wondered what drove Vladimirov to behave as he did ... The motive, I think, was a twisted kind of jealousy ... He was having to live through me. I was achieving the sort of success he craved for himself and which he thought his own talents deserved. Deep down he resented my success. He thought it should be his. This kind of feeling makes a man a natural traitor, especially if it is allied to a weak personality with a tendency to self-degradation.’ (page 205)
Kasparov has never offered proof, and fawning journalists have never demanded any. But now, having destroyed Vladimirov’s reputation, the same Kasparov has the gall to write on page 113 of "London-Leningrad Championship Games":
‘... a serious conflict occurred in my relations with Vladimirov after the 19th game. To me he seemed to be behaving strangely – copying out the analysis of openings employed in the match. I cannot assert anything, and I have no grounds for accusing him, but equally I can no longer trust Vladimirov as I used to.’
Note those words carefully:
‘... I cannot assert anything, and I have no grounds for accusing him ...’>
|Jun-18-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: Destroy a man's reputation, repent at leisure.|
|Jul-05-11|| ||Fusilli: <AnalyzeThis> I second that, brother. Kasparov always was a sore loser who would never take responsibility and always blame others with made-up claims. Remember how he couldn't stand losing to the computer and accused IBM of cheating? And he says Vladimirov has a weak personality and needed him to lose to feel good about himself? So, Vladimirov needed the man who was paying him to lose? I don't know anything about Vladimirov, but this logic is just stupid. What a child, this Kasparov, for God's sake. Like Fischer, thank you for your games, but please shut up.|
|Jul-05-11|| ||kellmano: <Fusilli> Thirded.
I was always annoyed that Kasparov was so very good, as his personalty is not to my taste.
|Jul-05-11|| ||perfidious: <Karpova:
'...I cannot assert anything, and I have no grounds for accusing him, but equally I can no longer trust Vladimirov as I used to.’>
Kasparov began to distrust Vladimirov, whatever his reasons.
Fair enough, and I'm not about to question his feelings or the circumstances, as I wasn't a party to any of this.
The published, unsubstantiated accusations are another matter, however, as even Kasparov acknowledges that he lacks any substantive evidence therein.
|Mar-09-13|| ||PhilFeeley: <yoozum: yeah, i forgot about james/jimmy but is jack really a nickname for john? weird. > It does seem weird, but John F. Kennedy was always known as "Jack".|
|Dec-01-13|| ||perfidious: <yoozum: is harry really short for henry though?>|
Sure is, same as Larry is the nickname for Lawrence/Laurence.
|Dec-01-13|| ||falso contacto: And "Enzo" for Lorenzo. Which hides the golden reference.|
|Jan-20-15|| ||perfidious: <AnalyzeThis: Destroy a man's reputation, repent at leisure.>|
Maybe Kasparov will find it in his heart to feel regret over the manner in which he sullied Vladimirov's reputation, but I am not banking on it.
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