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|Sep-15-17|| ||Howard: You didn't specify exactly which game this was, but presumably it was the last game of their, aborted, 1974 match. It was the ONLY Sicilian that was played in their three matches!|
|Sep-15-17|| ||Lambda: <One thing that might give guys like Pillsbury and Rubinstein extra credit is that they had decent records against their world champion peers but never had the chance to be world champion.>|
You have to be careful with that sort of measure, because it could easily just mean players who always made a special effort against the world champion, as opposed to players who put equal effort into all of their games in a tournament.
|Sep-15-17|| ||tamar: <keypusher:...
Glad that's settled! :-)>
No problem. I like to settle these age-old controversies in one fell swoop, so we are still not discussing this in 2027.
|Sep-15-17|| ||SChesshevsky: The idea that guys like Rubinstein and Pillsbury might be given extra consideration toward the top of the heap of non-champions is because unlike players like Tarrasch and Korchnoi who couldn't close the deal and others like Keres, Geller, Reshevsky who had opportunities to try for a title fight but failed in the prelims, Pillsbury and Rubinstein never got the opportunity.|
Most agree that of the players around at the time Pillsbury and Rubinstein deserved a title shot and their records against the champions seemed to indicate that a championship match would've been competitive.
Plus it appears Rubinstein had a match set but the war interrupted and I guess Pillsbury wanted one but Lasker never called him back.
So there was the potential, with odds that can certainly be debated, that either Pillsbury and/or Rubinstein could've been a world champion which would've automatically taken them out of this discussion and put them a level above.
So it seems a bit unfair that they were unlucky enough not to get a deserved shot at the champion but are also begrudged a little extra credit from their misfortune for a higher spot on the list of second bananas.
|Sep-16-17|| ||offramp: <Petrosianic: Just for grins, here are the 20 highest rated players on Chessmetrics (based on 1-year highs), who never became World Champion, with the number of months that they spent in the ChessMetrics #1 spot in parentheses). |
...Maroczy (30 months).>
That is a very interesting list. It is also the ONLY time I have ever heard Maroczy's name mentioned in any list of WWCs (Weren't World Champions).
If he is reading this from the quasi-celestial abode wherein he sometime dwelleth, I bet he does a simply colossal Spectral Hungarian James-Finlayson-style Double Take.
|Sep-16-17|| ||keypusher: <Plus it appears Rubinstein had a match set but the war interrupted and I guess Pillsbury wanted one but Lasker never called him back.>|
There was no voice mail in the 1890s. I'm not aware of Pillsbury ever challenging Lasker. But I'd love to know more, if there's more to know.
|Sep-16-17|| ||SChesshevsky: On Pillsbury's page here at chessgames, it mention's the desire to take on Lasker. I didn't bother to investigate it further.|
There was no voice mail when I graduated high school.
Speaking of Maroczy, it appears he also wanted a match with Lasker but that didn't happen either.
|Sep-16-17|| ||keypusher: <SChesshevsky: On Pillsbury's page here at chessgames, it mention's the desire to take on Lasker. I didn't bother to investigate it further.
There was no voice mail when I graduated high school.|
Speaking of Maroczy, it appears he also wanted a match with Lasker but that didn't happen either.>
As with many things, you don't get a world championship match by just wanting it.
Maroczy came a lot closer to getting one than Pillsbury. A Maroczy-Lasker match was scheduled to take place in 1906(?) in Havana but fell apart because of political disruption, I think. Then Maroczy stopped playing competitive chess for about 15 years, whether out of frustration with Lasker or for other reasons I can't say.
|Sep-16-17|| ||Howard: Tamar seems to be assuming that the North Koreans will not have wiped out the entire world before 2027, but I guess we'll have to wait to see what happens.|
|Sep-16-17|| ||keypusher: <Howard: Tamar seems to be assuming that the North Koreans will not have wiped out the entire world before 2027, but I guess we'll have to wait to see what happens.>|
Just in terms of capabilities, we here in the US of A are a much bigger threat than the North Koreans in that respect, Howard.
|Sep-16-17|| ||Howard: Of course! But, that doesn't necessarily mean that the ever-cordial North Koreans can't set up a nuclear holocaust.|
|Feb-07-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: Some interesting anecdotes here, some of them about Korchnoi.|
<Petrosianic> posted the link in one of the Korchnoi-Petrosian 1974 match games. I got it from him.
|Feb-07-18|| ||posoo: korchnoi likes 👘👟🎩🐶|
|Feb-08-18|| ||morfishine: While <Petrosianic>'s list is interesting, how can he include such players as Zukertort, Kamsky, Nimzovich, Janowsky???, Morozevich & Marshall, yet not include Super Nez??? Rashid Gibiatovich Nezhmetdinov|
In any case, if I had to pick the one best player to never be World Champ (instead of creating an unwieldly list of also-rans) I'd choose Bronstein, absolutely no question
|Mar-23-18|| ||cunctatorg: There is not so fascinating chess player like Korchnoi nowadays, not even close!...|
There is not any citizen of the Kingdom of Chess like Korchnoi nowadays, not even close!...
At least we have the chance of these comparisons; that's some part of Korchnoi's legacy.
|Mar-23-18|| ||botvinnik64: Happy Birthday Victor the Terrible!!!
You have passed, but will never be forgotten. I remember our battles...
|Jul-21-18|| ||offramp: Sosonko has written a biography of Korchnoi. There sre excerpts and a review at |
<Korchnoi's escape to the West is a political humiliation and an insult for Soviet officials and they retaliate with all their power to punish the "Evil-Doer".>
And that is the title, "Evil-Doer".
<Sosonko's reflections, comments, background information, and his benevolent view of the strenghts and weaknesses of Korchnoi connect and unite these stories and turn Evil-Doer into a very readable and entertaining book.>
Evil-Doer: Half a Century with Viktor Korchnoi
by Genna Sosonko
|Jul-22-18|| ||ChessHigherCat: Korchnoi looks like the brother of Richard Feynman in that photo.|
Can it be a pure coincidence that "evil-doer" is an anagram of both "doe-liver" and "red olive"?
Hint: the answer is "Yes"
Finally, Sosonko's book is expensive. I bought some of his e-books on Amazon for 9 or 10 clams.
|Sep-02-18|| ||Pyke: Peter Svidler tells a cool Korchnoi story:
Enjoy; without spoiling anything, it's basically about Victor's endless fighting spirit - much to the chagrin of his teammates.
|Dec-20-18|| ||gezafan: It's interesting that Korchnoi had excellent results against 1.e4 with every move but 1...e5.|
|Dec-21-18|| ||Count Wedgemore: <gezafan> I think he had a rather good score on the black side of the open Ruy Lopez, which, during his long career, he played quite a few games in, I believe.|
|Dec-21-18|| ||perfidious: Korchnoi's record in this DB with Black in the Open was +23 -22 =50, with many of those losses coming from the mid 1990s onwards, when his play had clearly declined. Prior to 1995-6, he enjoyed a significant plus with the line.|
|Jan-13-19|| ||KID Slayer: Viktor is undoubtedly my favorite player ever. I admire his style to counterattack more aggressive folks like Tal or outmaneuver his equally positional foes such as Karpov. His games using the French as Black and beating the KID as White especially stand out to me.|
My faves are his immortal against Tal and when he humiliates Karpov in epic fashion as below.
Korchnoi vs Tal, 1962
Karpov vs Korchnoi, 1994
|Jan-13-19|| ||JimNorCal: Who is behind Korchnoi, out of focus, in the photo ... perhaps Robatsch?|
|Jan-13-19|| ||JimNorCal: From tga's 2/7/18 link to ChessDryad
Korchnoi played beautifully to achieve three wins, one loss, and one draw in the first five games against Tigran Petrosian in Odessa, April 12-24, 1974. Just after the fourth game Tigran Petrosian went to the match committee and requested in writing that Victor Korchnoi be asked not to move his leg up and down beneath the table so much! It was just a Korchnoi nervous habit and did not seem to disturb anything really. No noise or offence intended probably. But Petrosian mentioned that Korchnoi had actually kicked him beneath the table while reaching out to make a move. Surely it was an accident....
Korchnoi knew absolutely nothing of Petrosian's complaint throughout the night, and it was only upon arriving for the fifth game that he was shocked by the formal request to quit moving his leg in a kicking motion beneath the table! Korchnoi was furious but did not say anything to his opponent, beginning to make moves against Petrosian in the fifth game.
You're not going to believe what happened next and at the worst possible moment. Petrosian, while shifting in the chair to adjust his hearing aid, kicked Victor Korchnoi accidentally! As match officials looked on with complete horror and silence. Everybody knew the match could explode any second.
Korchnoi, now thoroughly in flames, sat there for a second and found what has to be one of the truly great one-liner punch outs of all times... "Mister Petrosian, please look for your match chances above the chess table rather than below it." That's the real story, how a great match really ended -- never reported by the wire services.
Petrosian exploded, refused to continue the fifth game, and resigned the match forthwith.
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