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Garry Kasparov
Number of games in database: 2,348
Years covered: 1973 to 2012
Last FIDE rating: 2812
Highest rating achieved in database: 2851
Overall record: +785 -118 =771 (69.9%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      674 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (192) 
    B30 B40 B31 B50 B33
 Ruy Lopez (102) 
    C92 C84 C97 C67 C80
 Nimzo Indian (86) 
    E32 E34 E21 E20 E46
 Queen's Gambit Declined (81) 
    D37 D31 D35 D30 D38
 Queen's Indian (80) 
    E12 E15 E17 E16
 Slav (62) 
    D19 D10 D15 D11 D17
With the Black pieces:
 Sicilian (343) 
    B90 B84 B82 B83 B22
 King's Indian (158) 
    E92 E97 E76 E60 E75
 Sicilian Najdorf (112) 
    B90 B92 B97 B93 B96
 Grunfeld (98) 
    D85 D97 D76 D78 D87
 Sicilian Scheveningen (69) 
    B84 B82 B83 B80 B81
 English (34) 
    A15 A10 A11 A13
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Topalov, 1999 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1985 0-1
   Kasparov vs Kramnik, 1994 1-0
   Kramnik vs Kasparov, 1994 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1990 1-0
   Kasparov vs Anand, 1995 1-0
   Karpov vs Kasparov, 1993 0-1
   Kasparov vs Portisch, 1983 1-0
   Adams vs Kasparov, 2005 0-1
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1986 1-0

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS: [what is this?]
   Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1984)
   Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1985)
   Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Rematch (1986)
   Kasparov-Karpov World Championship Match (1987)
   Kasparov-Karpov World Championship Match (1990)
   Kasparov-Short World Championship Match (1993)
   Kasparov-Anand World Championship Match (1995)
   Kasparov-Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)

NOTABLE TOURNAMENTS: [what is this?]
   Linares (1994)
   10th Euwe Memorial (1996)
   Tilburg Fontys (1997)
   Linares (1997)
   Linares (1999)
   Wijk aan Zee Corus (2000)
   Sarajevo (2000)
   Astana (2001)
   Bled Olympiad (2002)
   European Clubs Cup (Men) (2003)
   Russian Championships 2004 (2004)
   XXII Torneo Ciudad de Linares (2005)

GAME COLLECTIONS: [what is this?]
   Garry Kasparov's Best Games by KingG
   Kasparov's super simuls by crawfb5
   Match Kasparov! by amadeus
   senakash's favorite games by senakash
   Size GAZA by lonchaney
   kasparov best games by brager
   senakash's favorite games qgd by senakash
   Guess-the-Move Chess: 1990-1999 (Part 3) by Anatoly21
   KASPAROV GAMES by gambitfan
   Road to the Championship - Garry Kasparov (I) by Fischer of Men
   senakash's favorite games mini by senakash
   senakash's favorite games garry by senakash
   Garry Kasparov's Greatest Chess Games (Stohl) by AdrianP
   senakash's favorite games ruylopez by senakash

GAMES ANNOTATED BY KASPAROV: [what is this?]
   Kasparov vs Karpov, 1987
   Kasparov vs Igor Ivanov, 1978

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GARRY KASPAROV
(born Apr-13-1963) Azerbaijan (citizen of Russia)

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One of the greatest players of all time, Kasparov was undisputed World Champion from 1985 until 1993, and Classical World Champion from 1993 until 2000. Known to chess fans world wide as the <Beast From Baku> on account of his aggressive and highly successful style of play, his main early influence was the combative and combinative style of play displayed by Alexander Alekhine.

Early Years

Originally named Garry Kimovich Weinstein (or Weinshtein), he was born in Baku, in what was then the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic (now the Republic of Azerbaijan), and is the son of Klara Shagenovna Kasparova and Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein. At five years old, young Garry Weinstein taught himself how to play chess from watching his relatives solve chess puzzles in a newspaper. His immense natural talent was soon realized and from age 7, he attended the Young Pioneer Palace in Baku (where for some time he was known as "Garry Bronstein".*). At 10, he began training at the Mikhail Botvinnik Soviet chess school. He was first coached by Vladimir Andreevich Makogonov and later by Alexander Shakarov. Five years after his father's untimely death from leukaemia, the twelve year old chess prodigy adopted the Russian-sounding name Garry Kasparov (Kas-PARE-off) a reference to his mother's Armenian maiden name, Gasparyan (or Kasparian).

Championships

Junior Twelve-year old Kasparov won the Soviet Junior Championship, held in Tbilisi in 1976 scoring 7/9, and repeated his success in 1977, winning with a score of 8˝ of 9. The next several years were spent marking his rise as a world-class talent. He became World Junior Champion in 1980 in Dortmund, the same year he earned the grandmaster title.

National He first qualified for the Soviet Chess Championship at age 15 in 1978, the youngest ever player at that level. He won the 64-player Swiss system tournament at Daugavpils on tiebreak over Igor Vasilievich Ivanov, to capture the sole qualifying place. He was joint Soviet Champion in 1980-81 with Lev Psakhis ** and in 1988 Kasparov and Anatoly Karpov tied in the Super-Soviet Championship***. In 2004, Garry Kasparov won the Russian Championships 2004 (2004) with a stunning +5 score.

World On the basis of his result in the 1981 Soviet Championship, which doubled as a zonal tournament for the USSR region, he earned a place in the 1982 Moscow Interzonal tournament, which he won, to qualify for the Candidates Tournament matches that were held in 1983 and 1984. At age 19, he was the youngest Candidate since Robert James Fischer, who was 15 when he qualified in 1958. At this stage, he was already the #2-rated player in the world, trailing only world champion Karpov on the January 1983 list. These Candidates matches were the first and last Candidates matches Kasparov contested, as he declined to participate in the Candidates held under the auspices of the PCA in 2002 to decide a challenger to his successor as classical World Champion, Vladimir Kramnik. Kasparov's first Candidates match in Moscow was a best-of-ten affair against Alexander Beliavsky, whom he defeated 6–3 (+4 -1 =4). After much political ado, Kasparov defeated Viktor Korchnoi in London in the best-of-12 semi-final match by 7–4 (+4 -1 =6), and in early 1984 in Vilnius he defeated former World Champion Vasily Smyslov in the best-of-16 finals played by 8.5-4.5 (+4 =9 -0) to earn his challenge against Karpov. By the time the match with Smyslov was played, Kasparov had become the number-one ranked player in the world with a FIDE rating of 2710. He became the youngest ever world number-one, a record that lasted 12 years until being broken by Vladimir Kramnik in January 1996 and again by his former pupil, Magnus Carlsen in 2010.

At one stage during the Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1984), Kasparov trailed 5-0 in the first-to-win-6 match. He then fought back to win three games and bring the score to 5–3 in Karpov's favour after 48 games, making it the longest world championship match ever. At that point, the match was ended without result by the then FIDE President, the late Florencio Campomanes, with Karpov thus retaining the title. Further details can be found in the match link at the head of this paragraph. Kasparov won the best-of-24 games Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Match (1985) in Moscow by 13–11, winning the 24th and last game with Black. He was then 22, the youngest ever World Champion, and broke the record held by Mikhail Tal for over 20 years. Karpov exercised his right to a rematch, the Karpov-Kasparov World Championship Rematch (1986), which took place in 1986, hosted jointly in London and Leningrad, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov scored of 12˝–11˝, retaining the title. The fourth match, the Kasparov-Karpov World Championship Match (1987) in Seville. Karpov had been directly seeded into and won the final match of the Candidates' Matches to again become the official challenger. Kasparov retained his title by winning the final game and drawing the match 12–12. The fifth and last championship match between the two, Kasparov-Karpov World Championship Match (1990), was held in New York and Lyon in 1990, with each city hosting 12 games. Kasparov won by 12˝–11˝. In their five world championship matches, the combined game tally was +21 -19 =104 in Kasparov’s favour.

Kasparov subsequently defended his title against Nigel Short under the auspices of the PCA in 1993, and against Viswanathan Anand in 1995. Five years later, in 2000 (Kasparov-Kramnik World Championship Match (2000)), Kasparov finally relinquished his crown to his former student, Vladimir Kramnik who was granted the right to challenge without having to qualify, the first time this had happened since 1935, when Alexander Alekhine selected Max Euwe as his challenger. Subsequently, Kasparov remained the top rated player in the world, ahead of both Kramnik and the FIDE World Champions, on the strength of a series of wins in major tournaments.

Under the "Prague Agreement” which was put together by Yasser Seirawan to reunite the two titles, Kasparov was to play a match against the 2002 FIDE World Champion Ruslan Ponomariov in September 2003. But this match was cancelled when Ponomariov was dissatisfied with the terms of the contract. Subsequent plans for a match against 2004 FIDE World Champion Rustam Kasimdzhanov, to be held in January 2005 in the United Arab Emirates fell through due to lack of funding. Shortly after this, Kasparov announced his retirement from competitive chess.

In an interview in 2007, Kasparov said that <…my decision in 1993 to break away from the world chess federation, FIDE, with Nigel Short was the worst mistake of my career. It was a serious miscalculation on my part. I thought we could start fresh with a professional organisation, but there was little support among the players. It led to short-term progress in commercial sponsorship for chess, but in the long run hurt the game...> ****

Classical Tournaments

In 1978, Kasparov won the Sokolsky Memorial tournament in Minsk as a wild card entry, a victory which convinced Kasparov he could aim for the World Championship. He played in a grandmaster tournament in Banja Luka, Yugoslavia in 1979 while still unrated, due to Korchnoi’s withdrawal. He took first place with an undefeated record, two points ahead of the field. Game Collection: Banja Luka 1979 He emerged with a provisional rating of 2595, immediately landing at world number 15, a feat only surpassed by Gata Kamsky in July 1990. His first win in a superclass-level international tournament was scored at Bugojno, Yugoslavia in 1982 and his win in Linares in 2002 is the tenth victory in a record for the most consecutive victories in super tournaments: Linares 4 (1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, Wijk aan Zee 3 (1999, 2000, 2001), Sarajevo 2 (1999, 2000) and Astana 1 (2001). Kasparov also holds the record for most consecutive professional tournament victories, placing first or equal first in 15 individual tournaments from 1981 to 1990. It started with the 1981 USSR Championship and finished in Linares in 1990. His five epic title matches against Karpov were held during this period. Subsequently, Kasparov won Linares again in 1992, 1993, 1997, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2005, the latter being his swan song from the game.

Olympiads

Kasparov played in eight Olympiads. He represented the Soviet Union four times, in 1980, 1982, 1986 and 1988, and Russia four times: in 1992, 1994, 1996 and 2002 playing board 1 on each occasion apart from 1980 (2nd reserve) and 1982 (2nd board). In 82 games, he scored (+50 =29 -3), for 78.7% and won a total of 19 medals, including 8 team gold medals, 5 board golds, 2 performance golds, 2 performance silvers and 2 board bronzes. Kasparov also represented the USSR once in Youth Olympiad competition at Graz in 1981, when he played board 1 for the USSR board 1, scoring 9/10 (+8 =2 -0), the team winning the gold medal.

Team chess

Kasparov made his international teams debut for the USSR at age 16 in the 1980 European Team Championship at Skara and played for Russia in the 1992 edition of that championship. He won a total of five medals including at Skara 1980, as USSR 2nd reserve, 5˝/6 (+5 =1 -0), team gold, board gold and at Debrecen 1992, Russia board 1, 6/8 (+4 =4 -0), team gold, board gold, performance silver.

Matches

<Computer> Kasparov defeated the chess computer Deep Thought (Computer) in both games of a two-game match in 1989. In February 1996, he defeated IBM's chess computer Deep Blue (Computer) with three wins and two draws and one loss. In 1997, an updated version of Deep Blue defeated Kasparov 3˝–2˝ in a highly publicised six-game match. The match was even after five games but Kasparov lost Game 6 - Deep Blue vs Kasparov, 1997 - to lose the match. This was the first time a computer had ever defeated a world champion in match play. In January 2003, he played and drew a six game FIDE Man-Machine WC (2003) match against Deep Junior (Computer). In November 2003, he played and drew a four-game Man-Machine World Chess Championship (2003) against the computer program X3D Fritz (Computer) X3D Fritz, although he was constrained through the use of a virtual board, 3D glasses and a speech recognition system.

<Human – classical> Kasparov played several matches apart from his matches in the World Championship cycles. Full details can be seen at Game Collection: Match Kasparov!.

<Human – rapid> In 1998, Kasparov played a blitz match against Kramnik in Moscow, that match being drawn +7-7=10. He fared better in the 2000 internet blitz match against Judit Polgar, winning one and drawing one. The following year, he played a blitz match against the many times Greek speed chess champion Hristos Banikas of Greece, winning 5 and drawing one. In his 2002 blitz against Elisabeth Paehtz in Munich, he won 6-0. Later in 2002, Kasparov lost a four game rapid match (+1 -2 =1) over two days in December 2002 in New York City against Anatoly Karpov. In 2009 in Valencia, Spain, he again played Karpov, and won the Kasparov-Karpov Rapid Match (2009) 3-1 and the Kasparov-Karpov Blitz Match (2009) by 6-2. In 2011, as part of his Chess In Schools campaign, he played a two game Kasparov-Lagrave Blitz Match (2011) in Clichy France, winning by 1.5-0.5. A few months later in October 2011, he won the Kasparov-Short Blitz Match (2011) 4.5-3.5 (+3 -2 =3), breaking the deadlock after game 7 by winning game 8 to win the match.

<Simuls> In 1985, Kasparov played his first simul against a team, the Hamburg Bundesliga team lead by GM Murray Chandler, and lost 3.5-4.5, the first and only time he lost a simul against a team. In 1987, he played a simul against the same albeit slightly stronger team, but this time he was prepared and crushed the Hamburg players 7-1; later in 1987 he also crushed the Swiss team: Game Collection: Kasparov vs Swiss Team Simul by 5.5-0.5, drawing only with former World Junior Champion Werner Hug. In 1988 he played a simul against the French team in Evry (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul), winning 4, drawing one and losing one; he played the French team again in 1989 (Game Collection: Kasparov vs French Team Simul 1989), this time winning three and drawing 3 games. Also in 1988 he played a simul against a group of powerful US Juniors, and won by 4-2 (+3 -1 =2)*****. In 1992, Kasparov played a clock simul against the German team ( Game Collection: Kasparov vs German National Team Simul) which included former title contender Vlastimil Hort with whom he drew, winning 2 and drawing 2. He played a simul against the Argentinean team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Argentinian Team Simul) winning (+7 -1 =4); in 1998 he played the Israeli team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Israeli National Team Simul) winning 7-1, and in 2001 he played the Czech team (Game Collection: Kasparov vs Czech National Team Simul) in Prague, winning by +4 -1 =3.

Rating

Kasparov's ratings achievements include being rated world #1 according to Elo rating almost continuously from 1986 until his retirement in 2005. He was the world number-one ranked player for 255 months, a record that far outstrips all other previous and current number-one ranked players. Kasparov had the highest Elo rating in the world continuously from 1986 to 2005. However, Vladimir Kramnik equaled him in the January 1996 FIDE ratings list, technically supplanting him because he played more games. He was also briefly ejected from the list following his split from FIDE in 1993, but during that time he headed the rating list of the rival PCA. At the time of his retirement, he was still ranked #1 in the world, with a rating of 2812. In January 1990 Kasparov achieved the (then) highest FIDE rating ever, passing 2800 and breaking Bobby Fischer's old record of 2785. On the July 1999 and January 2000 FIDE rating lists Kasparov reached a 2851 Elo rating, which became the highest rating ever achieved until surpassed by Magnus Carlsen in 2013. There was a time in the early 1990s when Kasparov was over 2800 and the only person in the 2700s was Anatoly Karpov.

Other

Under Kasparov's tutelage, Carlsen became the youngest ever to achieve a FIDE rating higher than 2800, and the youngest ever world number one. Kasparov also assisted Anand’s preparation for the Anand-Topalov World Chess Championship (2010) against challenger Veselin Topalov. Since his retirement, Kasparov has concentrated much of his time and energy in Russian politics. He is also a prolific author, most famously his <My Great Predecessors> series. His politics and authorship are discussed at some detail in the wiki article and at his official website cited below. In 2007, he was ranked 25th in The Daily Telegraph's list of 100 greatest living geniuses and has won 11 Chess Oscars.

Kasparov has been married three times: first to Masha, with whom he had a daughter, Polina (b. 1993), before divorcing; to Yulia, with whom he had a son, Vadim (b. 1996) before their 2005 divorce; and to Daria, with whom he also has a daughter, Aida (b. 2006).

Biography: http://www.kasparovagent.com/garry_... Kasparov’s official website: http://kasparov.com/ Kasparov Chess Foundation: http://www.kasparovchessfoundation.... ]

* http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/chess2/...; ** [rusbase-1]; *** [rusbase-2]; **** [rusbase-3]; ***** http://www.chessbase.com/newsprint....

Wikipedia article: Kasparov


 page 1 of 94; games 1-25 of 2,348  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. E Kengis vs Kasparov ½-½54 1973 Vilnius LTUB88 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin Attack
2. Kasparov vs O Vasilchenko 1-040 1973 KievC03 French, Tarrasch
3. E Magerramov vs Kasparov 0-135 1973 BakuB54 Sicilian
4. Kasparov vs S Muratkuliev 1-032 1973 Baku tt U18C77 Ruy Lopez
5. Kasparov vs Averbakh 1-048 1974 Moscow clock simC68 Ruy Lopez, Exchange
6. E Vladimirov vs Kasparov ½-½30 1975 VilniusE17 Queen's Indian
7. Tilichkin vs Kasparov 0-143 1975 BakuB87 Sicilian, Fischer-Sozin with ...a6 and ...b5
8. Kasparov vs Yurtaev 0-144 1975 BakuB39 Sicilian, Accelerated Fianchetto, Breyer Variation
9. Rizvonov vs Kasparov 0-137 1975 VilniusE17 Queen's Indian
10. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-148 1975 BakuB05 Alekhine's Defense, Modern
11. Korchnoi vs Kasparov ½-½42 1975 Palace of Pioneers sim.E80 King's Indian, Samisch Variation
12. Einoris vs Kasparov 0-142 1975 BakuB59 Sicilian, Boleslavsky Variation, 7.Nb3
13. Kasparov vs Yermolinsky 0-148 1975 LeningradB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
14. Dvoirys vs Kasparov ½-½45 1975 BakuB89 Sicilian
15. Kasparov vs B Kantsler 1-032 1975 Junior competitionC00 French Defense
16. Kasparov vs A Sokolov 1-032 1975 BakuB67 Sicilian, Richter-Rauzer Attack, 7...a6 Defense, 8...Bd7
17. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-045 1975 LeningradB92 Sicilian, Najdorf, Opocensky Variation
18. Kasparov vs E Kengis ½-½27 1975 BakuB52 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
19. Kasparov vs Smyslov 0-130 1975 Team GM/Young PioneersC60 Ruy Lopez
20. O Pavlenko vs Kasparov 0-134 1975 BakuE71 King's Indian, Makagonov System (5.h3)
21. Kasparov vs Polugaevsky ½-½25 1975 LeningradB40 Sicilian
22. Kasparov vs Gorelov 1-058 1975 BakuC61 Ruy Lopez, Bird's Defense
23. L Roos vs Kasparov 0-125 1976 WattigniesB23 Sicilian, Closed
24. D Dunne vs Kasparov 0-157 1976 Wch U16B51 Sicilian, Canal-Sokolsky (Rossolimo) Attack
25. Kasparov vs D Kaiumov 1-036 1976 MoscowB10 Caro-Kann
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Kasparov on Kasparov: Part I

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Feb-26-11  Atking: And you have not the impression you are writting at the wrong page?
Feb-26-11
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  percyblakeney: <And you have not the impression you are writting at the wrong page?>

No.

Feb-26-11
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  percyblakeney: I sometimes get the feeling I am writing on the wrong site though, might be time to finally do something about that now :-)
Feb-26-11
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  chancho: <percyblakeney> If you are implying that you are thinking of leaving this site, I hope not. Your posts are always informative, and that is very much needed here.
Feb-26-11  nok: <Karpov was improving quickly and may have been at least on Spassky's level already in 1972>

If I remember well, Karpov won that '72 training match with Spassky on a fairly lopsided score. "I did not lose" he said famously.

Feb-26-11  AuN1: <chancho: <...in itself the title of world champion does not give any significant advantages, if it is not acknowledged by the entire chess world, and a champion who does not have the chess world behind him is, in my view, a laughing-stock.

Emanuel Lasker>

The words: "in itself" say it all. A champion is supposed to put his title on the line or it loses it's luster. That's why Kasparov was willing to defend it five years after his last defense of 1995. Even though the public still saw him as the world champion, he knew defending the world championship was important. Sitting on his laurels was not what Kasparov was about. Meeting challenges... that was most important to him.. That's why he played all those contests against computers and simuls against IM's and GM's. Winning the tournaments... His desire to go all out and prove he was the best.. That's what a champion is supposed to be about.>

those words ring hollow when you consider that he refused to defend his title against his biggest rivals until 1921.

Feb-26-11  Kazzak: @percyblakeney

I wasn't aiming for your statements here. We're looking for the world's greatest chess player, ever, and the discussion goes back and forth, endlessly.

I'd say that we should consider whether that player became world champion or not, and whether he as champion defended his throne against other challengers, or not. As a bonus point, we can consider multiple defenses of the throne - or even the reachieving of it, after losing it.

Did he, or did he not, put his championship on the line, in accordance with the rules and traditions of chess - or did he try to "pull it away" once he'd gained it?

Fischer fails that test. As if Muhammad Ali never entered the ring again after winning his first title. He went back into the ring to win it a total of three times.

He gave us the Liston Match; The Fight of the Century; The Rumble in the Jungle and the Manila Match. Following his first championship, he defended his title against several challengers. Little reason to doubt whether he is a true champion, and definitely one of the best boxers ever. He put his title on the line.

Fischer didn't.

There are two bad book-ends to the Fischer story: his inexcusable behavior in the preamble to the Reykjavik fight; his actual behavior at the opening of the first rounds of that match, with ridiculous demands -- and his failure to defend his title once it was over.

In my book, that is enough to see Fischer as a fantastic chess player, a troubled genius, and as the winner of the 1972 Championship -- but he doesn't make "greatest chess player ever" in my accounting, for what it's worth to others. Too much baggage (and that came way before he went completamente loco).

But there's clearly a strong need to whitewash the Fischer legend (just as there is quite a bit of window-dressing around Kasparov.)

Chess had had a lot of great players and champions - who were the best "in their time" against their contemporary opponents. The need to parse and chafe as to who was the greatest ever is strange, usually very nationalistic or partisan, and ultimately useless beyond being a "how many angels will fit on the head of a pin" species of leisure activity.

Feb-26-11
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  kingfu: I need more information.

Here is why:

I thought that Fischer's conditions for playing the Championship were reasonable. Not unlike any other Champion's conditions.

I also thought that FIDE was being manipulated by the Soviets. There I go again. Conspiracy theories are so much fun.

So, we know that Fischer has a fragile psyche. Therefore, we throw up some road blocks and some Mickey Mouse and The Fischer Monster goes ballistic and walks.

The Russians like to say If you say A then you must say B.

Karpov was Champion for 10 years only to be surpassed by Kasparov.

In modern times, are we back to first among equals?

Feb-26-11
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  chancho: <AuN1> Lasker had agreed to defend his title. First against Rubinstein, and then Maroczy. Rubinstein could not raise the stakes and negotiations with Maroczy fell through when the Vienna Chess Club withdrew it's sponsorship because it wanted the whole match played in Vienna. So that's not Lasker's fault.
He was willing to defend his title against Capablanca, but Capa did not agree to Lasker's conditions. WWI occurred and most Chess activity stopped. Lasker was not trying to duck anyone. He wanted to make money. I suspect that if a prize purse was secured, he would have played any opponent put in front of him.
Feb-26-11
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  SetNoEscapeOn: <matherd1: It's a bit weird to claim that Fischer wasn't dominant in 72 because Karpov was also far ahead of all the others at the Alekhine Memorial, given that Stein tied for first with Karpov in that tournament.>

I tend to agree; according to Kasparov (MGP Volume 5), while he was already very strong Karpov made tremendous strides right before and during the 1974 matches.

Feb-26-11  fab4: <fab4> <The comparison fits in that they both transcended their respective sports and touched many lives, that others in their resprctive spheres would not have reached.,

They both outgrew their sports. They both became too big for their sports. They both always said they were the 'greatest'.. and went on to prove it.. Both impacted in the 60's.. an era of revolution and tumult.

Yep. I think the RJF/Ali analogy works.>

Wow! This topic has gained wings lol...

But I stick by this. It's indelible and undeniable. Ali transecended his sport into popular culture on a global scale.. and so did Robert James Fischer.

My analogy was only intended as a reflection of both men's capacities to eclipse their respective sports and influence people well beyond the realms of what they actually did. In that respect, Fischer IS the Ali of chess...

As for Fischer not defending his title ? So what ? His creative legacy in chess alone is unique and enormous.. let alone his wider impact beyond the world of chess...

Feb-26-11  fab4: < chancho><:say it all. A champion is supposed to put his title on the line or it loses it's luster.>

Supposed to ? Is he ? Or does he just lose face with numpties like you ?

Feb-26-11  nok: Another fact : at the '73 interzonal Karpov scored +10, compared to Taimanov's even score and Larsen's +3, to take Fischer's fellow candidates.
Feb-26-11  nok: In addition, other 60s luminaries Tal and Gligoric were also even.

And Fischer's mother came to Leningrad to take photos of Karpov, so the great man really knew better.

Feb-26-11  fab4: @ <nok>

Fair enough. And I admire your fervent opinions that Kasparov and Karpov are the greatest players that have ever lived. Both played each other in the 80's.. uncanny ...

As for your point re Fischer's opponents.. well they were just in the way... anybody alive would've been knocked over.. he really was demonic in that quest.

But.. the rancid old argements re Fischer's defeated foe.. after he'd swept them aside. Well, they were,for a man ,broken men. Fischer did that. A hurricane comes along.. and you want to make points as to the survivors lol ...

Karpov and his uber team of soviet GM's took advantage of this.

Feb-26-11
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  SetNoEscapeOn: The other thing with Lasker is that he continued to play in tournaments after 1921, sometimes winning and finishing ahead of Capablanca.
Feb-26-11  Lennonfan: <fab4>.do you really wanna go on comparing fischer with ali,or calling people<numpties>who speak up,or agree with ppl who put up a good argument regarding your ridiculous comparison? Lets look at your comparison of fischer and ali(its short..it wont take long!)<ali transcended his sport and into popular culture on a global scale and so did JFK>.sorry i mean RFJ!..chess is a game(i think?)not a sport...ali reached the top,successfuly defended his title numerous times,lost it,came back won it again,lost it,came back again,lost it came back won it yet again! Fischer..won his title,moaned about something or other,then quit and dispareared into obscurity...achievements cannot be compared can they?And the only thing they have in common is ali=most famous boxer ever..fischer=most famous chess player.."your bobby"didn't have to beat the chess equivalent of liston,frazier,foreman for his title,AND THE REST!he beat spassky ONCE then retired!.its like comparing my username with lennon himself..only one's a genius..!
Feb-26-11
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  BLarsen1967: <Lennonfan><And the only thing they have in common is ali=most famous boxer ever..fischer=most famous chess player..> Well spoken! - You know,the prob with <fab4>,his only concern is,who is the most FAMOUS,that's his bible... Let's just say that Madonna had married Sergei Tiviakov,before long Tiviakov then would easily be the most famous chess player - and of course fab4 living in his dream world would found a Tiviakov Cult,constantly preaching to us all,that indeed this Tiviakov is the GREATEST player this world has ever witnessed...
Feb-26-11  shach matov: I have to agree with the last two posts.

at this point it's possible to make the clear conclusion: the claim that fischer was the greatest has been proven here over and over again to be WRONG!

the main point of the two proponents of the idea were:

1. <fab4> who in essence believes that fisher was the greatest because he was the most famous. this was shown to be completely absurd.

2. <AnalyseThis> who tried to make the false point that since fisher achieved things without attending the Botvinik school, he should be considered the greatest. It has been shown that this sort of reasoning is absurd and unacceptable. I can use the same ridiculous idea and claim that Anand was the greatest because he had even less access to chess education than fischer. if you don't accept this point, then we can't accept that fisher was the greatest.

thus one may honestly conclude that GK's and karpov's (amongst other players like Lasker, Capa, etc) achievements are clearly superior to fisher's and thus on factual bases the two players have to be considered greater than fisher.

common sense and facts win (as they always do). fantasies, hero worship, propaganda, etc., are to be left for movies and book sales.

Feb-26-11
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  keypusher: <chancho: <percyblakeney> If you are implying that you are thinking of leaving this site, I hope not. Your posts are always informative, and that is very much needed here.>

Amen!

Feb-26-11  fab4: <shach matov: I have to agree with the last two posts.>

Embarrassing <Lennonfan> is a groupie of mine, he follows me around. Stalking is not the word... lol

But you would feed off his posts lol...

Feb-26-11  fab4: Oh and nobody @ <shachy>

has proved what I've stated is 'absurd'....

Fischer is greater than kaz because he flexed his muscles .. re genius.. beyond the realms of chess..

live with it.

Feb-26-11
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  KKDEREK: flex his muscles when <fab4>? He should have tried against Karpov for instance. That chicken..
Feb-26-11  fab4: lol.. one by one the numpties are being flushed out

<KKDEREK>< That chicken..>

Feb-26-11
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  AnalyzeThis: <schach motov: there's also the 1960 US championship when fisher almost withdrew because he demanded different lighting, no noise, etc. They finally gave in and he got what he wanted. >

Try to focus. What we're looking for is examples of where Fischer received an unfair advantage over his competition.

Better lighting and no noise <benefits> everyone. This is probably why none of the players <complained> about it.

<schach motov: Other examples exist: fisher was unable to participate in the 1970 interzonal because the US team was full; so Benko had to give up his seat so that fisher can participate. give me some time, I am sure i'll remember more examples. >

You're completely wrong, of course. Benko didn't have to do anything. He volunteerily gave up his spot, which then went to whoever was 4th in the US Championship. In fact, every player from Benko and lower who competed in the US Championship that year cheerfully waived their right to go to the zonal so that Fischer could instead.

Since the players themselves didn't think anything was unfair about it, I don't see why you should either.

Please take your head out of the oven while there is still some hope.

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