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|Feb-20-04|| ||Benzol: I thought Max Lange died in 1899 or thereabouts, how can he be active in the 20th Century?|
Btw do you pronounce his name as 'Longey'?
|Feb-20-04|| ||youngplayer11: <do you pronounce his name as 'longey'?>no, you pronounce it lane |
|Feb-21-04|| ||Benzol: <youngplayer11> Many thanks for your response. |
|Feb-21-04|| ||paulalbert: The German name Lange is pronounced Lahng-eh not Lane. Paul Albert |
|Feb-21-04|| ||Sneaky: Lahng-eh is correct but in my opinion nobody should criticize you if you say "Lang" with a hard-a and no "uh" sound at the end. |
Just like the car Porsche, few people pronounce the last "uh" sound. I live in America, and we like to dumb things down to make them easier for us.
|Mar-03-05|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Zero games with the Max Lange Attack. One thing I've never known for certain: does White play the Max Lange or does Black? It looks to like both players are attacking at the same time. |
|Apr-13-05|| ||The Bloop: Not included in the Lange game list is a game from 1858, in which Lange contracted to checkmate with his Queen Knight (i.e. known as the "capped Knight" game, the Knight was the only piece Lange was allowed to use to deliver checkmate, meaning that if the opponent captured this piece, the game would end as a loss for Lange...|
Here is the score of that game:
[Event "Lange contracts to checkmate with his Queen Knight"]
[Site " "]
[White "Lange, Max"]
[Black "Von Schierstedt, ?"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nc6 3. f4 exf4 4. Nf3 g5 5. Bc4 g4 6. O-O gxf3 7. d4 fxg2
8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. Qh5+ Kg7 10. Rxf4 Nh6 11. Be3 d6 12. Ne2 Qe7 13. Kxg2 Be6
14. Raf1 Bf7 15. Qxh6+ Kxh6 16. Rg4+ Kh5 17. Ng3+ Kxg4 18. Rf5 h6 19. h3+
Kh4 20. Rh5+ Bxh5 21. Nf5#
When you play this out, you'll find that Lange sacrificed his Queen, both rooks, a Knight and a Bishop!
|Apr-13-05|| ||RisingChamp: The bloop it doesnt exactly mean that-all it would mean is that Lange could no longer win(assuming promoting a queenside pawn to a knight does not work)the game could of course end in a draw anyway.And it isnt very clear how the game works-suppose Lange did play a checkmating move with another piece(the move is after all legal)it would I suppose be a draw? |
|Apr-13-05|| ||The Bloop: Hi RisingChamp...my understanding of that particular variant of chess is that delivering checkmate with another piece is actually not a legal move (even though it would be legal in standard chess)... the source where I read that could have been incorrect... I read that it would be legal to check Black's King, but you could only checkmate him with the capped piece...
I see what you mean though, my comment was incorrect in that losing the capped knight would not automatically lose the game for Lange... it just means that he couldn't win. Perhaps the game would be considered a draw if Lange delivered checkmate with another piece after losing the capped knight. I've checked some web sites, but now I can't find any that definitively state how the capped piece rule works,and under what circumstances could the game could end in a draw...but you're right, my comment as it is stated in my previous post is incorrect. (and by raising the issue of possible queenside pawn promotion to a knight, boy that's a whole new can of worms entirely!). Thanks for your post! |
|Apr-13-05|| ||ughaibu: Why should a new knight qualify? |
|May-14-05|| ||Knight13: So was he a stronger player than Anderssen?|
|Aug-06-06|| ||BIDMONFA: Max Lange
|Aug-07-06|| ||Albertan: An Englishman it is White who plays the Max Lange Attack. The moves to reach the Max Lange Attack are:|
Max Lange Attack
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. 0-0 Nf6
5. d4 exd4
Then there are many variations:
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Berger Variation
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. Ng5 Qd5 10. Nc3 Qf5 11. g4 Qg6 12. Nce4 Bb6 13. f4 O-O-O
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Marshall Variation
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. Ng5 Qd5 10. Nc3 Qf5 11. Nce4
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Rubinstein Variation
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. Ng5 Qd5 10. Nc3 Qf5 11. Nce4 Bf8
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Loman defense
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. Ng5 g6
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Schlechter Variation
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 d5 7. exf6 dxc4 8. Re1+ Be6 9. fxg7
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Steinitz Variation
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 Ng4
C55 Two knights Max Lange attack, Krause Variation
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. O-O Bc5 6. e5 Ng4 7. c3
|Aug-07-06|| ||Caissanist: The following posting by <Sneaky Pete>, in the game Duras vs Max Lange, 1903, seems to clear up the mystery of why there are Max Lange games dating from after his death:|
<From an article by Peter Guetler in Kaissiber # 13, January/March 2000: Dr.Max Lange I (1832-1899) and (no relation) Dr.Max Lange II (1883-1923). The second Max Lange was born in Stettin, Germany (now Szczecin, Poland) in 1883. Mathematician, friend of Em. and Edw. Lasker. Played in some minor tournaments (or lower sections of major tournaments) between Hannover 1902 and Mannheim 1914. Moved to Japan in 1920 (considered Go more interesting than chess). Died during the Kanto earthquake of 1923. Author of <Das Schachspiel und seine strategischen Prinzipien>, Leipzig, 1910. >
|Aug-07-06|| ||An Englishman: Good Evening: Thanks, Albertan. It still looks like both players are attacking at the same time.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||Phony Benoni: <An Englishman> That's an astute observcation, for both players are indeed attacking. I have found the Max Lange an enjoyable opening to play from either side of the board. While the theoretical continuations generally end up in even (but still sharp) positions, there are so many tricks and traps that both players have winning chances again unwary opponents.|
|Aug-07-06|| ||SBC: <The Bloop>
A little late, but thanks for the Lange "capped knight" game.
According to my notes -
Capped Knight: The stronger player takes White. He must deliver mate with his Knight that started at b1 or lose. The loss of the Knight or any normal draw situation results in a loss for the stronger player.
|Aug-07-06|| ||Phony Benoni: Well groomed guy in the photo. I bet that his beard definitely lacks mange.|
|Oct-18-06|| ||Phony Benoni: Concerning the Lange--von Schierstedt game: according to Edward Winter (Chess Notes no.3502), Lange gave the full name of his opponent as "Fraulein Jenny von Schierstedt".|
And about the capped-knight odds: I once read a short story based on this game. A master was playing practice games with a promising beginner when they reached this position:
click for larger view
Here von Schierstedt played 14...Bf7, and Lange unleashed his winning combination. In the short story, Black had a sudden flash of inspiration and played 14...Qg5+!! Unable to save his queen with 15.Qxg5#, White resigned.
|Nov-13-06|| ||hellstrafer: <chessgames.com>, it says that Max Lange died in 1899. However some games from 1903 are attributed to him.|
|Nov-13-06|| ||Calli: <hellstrafer> Read previous posts.|
|Nov-14-06|| ||hellstrafer: <Calli> Thanks, it was just stupid of me to not to read the previous posts.|
|Aug-06-08|| ||myschkin: . . .
Es ist kein Zufall, daß gerade Max Lange zum intellektuellen Mentor der aufstrebenden Schachvereinigung wurde. Lange, der ein Doppelstudium in Philosophie und den Rechtswissenschaften absolviert hatte und eine beachtliche schachliche Spielstärke aufwies, war wie kein anderer intellektuell in der Lage, dem regen Treffen rheinischer Schachfreunde, die sich zunächst aus purem „Associationstriebe" und Freude am Schach zu größeren „Congressen" vereinigten, eine allgemeingesellschaftliche Bedeutung und Sinnhaftigkeit zuzuschreiben und die Bemühungen der Schachfreunde in einen allgemeinen soziokulturellen Kontext zu stellen.
Der begeisterte Schachjünger gründete am Magdeburger Gymnasium den Schachklub Sophrosyne ("besonnene Gelassenheit" - nach Sokrates die Haupttugend des Menschen).
|Dec-15-08|| ||Karpova: The Third German Chess Congress in Duesseldorf (1863.08.30 to 1863.09.02) was won by Max Lange.|
There were four stages:
Stage 1: Twelve players are paired against each other and play one game only. Max Lange beat someone called Schultz with the white pieces and proceeded to the next stage.
Stage 2: Six players paired against each other and play one game only. Max Lange gets White against someone called Hengstenberg and wins.
Stage 3: A Mini Final tournament with Lange, Paulsen (Wilfried) and Hoenig playing each other once. Lange and Paulsen draw their game and both beat Hoeing.
Stage 4: Final match between Lange an Paulsen - Lange wins 1.5 to 0.5.
(Hoeing was the only one to get two times Black in Stage 1 and 2 and win both games. Lange had White in stages 1 and 2 but also in both games at stage 3. So his first game with Black was the draw against Paulsen in the Final match).
|Aug-07-09|| ||whiteshark: <Player of the Day>|
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