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| Feb-10-05 | | ughaibu: TheSlid: My apologies and parenthetical thanks, this is a page on which my tolerence is stretched. |
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Feb-10-05
 | | Open Defence: <benzol> i believe finns are asiatic because of their proximty to North Russia which has Asiatic tribes rather than coz of the Grand Khan's Mongol hordes |
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| Feb-10-05 | | ughaibu: Open Defense: forget it, Champ Supernova's post was his usual ignorant crap. Scandinavia is a linguistic, not geographic, family. Iceland is a Scandinavian country Finland is not. Racist crap about "mongoloids, "caucassians" and such isn't worth replying to. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | offramp: Scandinavia is the peninsula that has the two countries, Sweden & Norway. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | ughaibu: There is a Scandinavian penisula including Kota but the Scandinavians are a group amalgamated by language. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | Champ Supernova: <Open Defence> exactly! I read that the Huns/Mongol descendants left that area and settled in two countries, Hungary and Finland. And I believe those two countries today are the only ones in europe that are not from the indo-european language family. <ughaibu> <The usual ignorant crap> Kindly inform me as to what posts you are referring to.
<racist crap about "mongoloids"> That is an official term used to describe a racial group. How am i being rascist? This is a typical discussion on the origin of certain groups and all I did was bring up some evidence I read about and it was confirmed by Open Defence. You are the ignorant one for that uncalled for and ignorant comment on me being racist, and an idiot for completely misunderstanding what I said. The Finns are genetically different from the people in the Scandinavian countries and speak a language from a different family. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | ughaibu: "Racial group", your outmoded TV level banter isn't substitute science enough to maintain a dialogue. On the question of your "ignornat crap", dig it out yourself. |
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Feb-10-05
 | | paulalbert: I want to clarify something. The Finns,Estonians, and Hungarians speak languages which are related and are in the Finno-Ugric language group. They are not in the Indo-European language group which the Slavic, Germanic, Romance and Baltic languages are. However, Finno-Ugric has nothing to to do with the Huns of Attila or the Mongols of Genghis Khan. The Hungarian language spoken in Hungary derives from the Magyars who came after Attila. The ethnic origins and language group of Attila's Huns are unknown since they had no written language and it is unclear that they were the same peoples who threatened China known as the Hsiung-Nu. Scholars speculate that Attila's Huns may have been Turkic, but also possibly some Mongol origins as well.Any relationship is speculative and remote. Genghis Khan's Mongols penetrated into Europe 1000 years after Attila's Huns.
Paul Albert |
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| Feb-10-05 | | ughaibu: Paulalbert: is basque an ugrian language? |
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| Feb-10-05 | | Kenkaku: Basque is a language isolate, unrelated to any other language in the world. The Basque are (at least theorized to be) descended from an indigenous people in Europe who lived there before the Indo-European migration (similar to theories regarding the Etruscans, only the Basque have not assimilated and survive to this day). |
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| Feb-10-05 | | Kenkaku: In addition to this, let me flesh out the information regarding the Finns and Hungarians. They are believed to have originally come from the same people, originating in Siberia. In any case (assuming the languages are related, which I believe may be doubted by some linguists), the two langauges split about three thousand years ago and have thus become extremely different from each other. Another name for this family (perhaps the proper one, though I cannot confirm this as I am only a hobby linguist) is the Uralic Family. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | Champ Supernova: <ughaibu> You obviously have no back-up to your dumbass racist/ignorant claims and probably didn't even understand what I was talking about. Everything I said was relevant and eventually confirmed by others, you stupid, sensitive, close-minded piece of @#$%. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | square dance: im not sure you're allowed to call someone sensitive. i think that violates posting guidline #3. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | Minor Piece Activity: Webster says:
1 peninsula N Europe occupied by Norway & Sweden
2 Denmark, Norway, Sweden, & sometimes also Iceland, the Faeroe Islands, & Finland Note that there are *two* different definitions (including one that overlaps the other), and in the second one it says "sometimes also" which implies that it is a matter of opinion where Scandinavia starts and where it ends. |
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| Feb-10-05 | | Champ Supernova: <square dance> LOL. I guess I meant over-sensitive, although there are many other adjectives that can be used to describe ughaibu (great screen name btw). |
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Feb-11-05
 | | meloncio: <Kenkaku><...who lived there before the Indo-European migration...> I think is easier. Basque is the only iberian pre-roman language that survived the Romanization, mainly because their rough and mountainous country. We don't know how many languages were lost in Iberian Peninsula after the Romans came, because its different people had no written languages. |
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| Feb-11-05 | | TheSlid: Intersting discussion re Basque, Finnish and the Hungarian link. Thanks to all contributors. |
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| Mar-21-05 | | PQB4: My one David Bronstein anecdote. "Jim" (now 2300+) and "Mick" did a round trip of 200km to take on Bronstein in a simul. "Mick" tells me: "I got ground down in a long ending, but Bronstein tripped Jim up in the opening and won in no time. Job done? Not a bit of it. I'll never forget the lovely way Bronstein turned the board round and started setting up the Black pieces, just one chess fan keen for a second game with another". Is this common practice among masters facing 20 or so strong opponents? |
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| Apr-07-05 | | Chris00nj: I just started reading Bronstein's life and games book "Sorceror's Apprentice". It's a great book so far, and Bronstein is such an imaginative personality. Everyone loves Tal, but only a few appreciate the equal genious of Bronstein. |
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| Apr-07-05 | | OJC: < Everyone loves Tal, but only a few appreciate the equal genious of Bronstein. > Except for Tal himself, whose hero growing up was none other than Bronstein! |
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| Apr-14-05 | | RookFile: Well, I give Bronstein credit for
publicly admitting that the 1953
Candidates was fixed for Smyslov.
Clearly the Russians were scared
of a Reshevsky versus Botvinnik match.
In 1955, Reshevsky validated their
fears by taking on Botvinnik in a
4 game match and beating him. |
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Apr-14-05
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| Apr-18-05 | | Chris00nj: <RookFile: Well, I give Bronstein credit for
publicly admitting that the 1953
Candidates was fixed for Smyslov. >
He also was one of the very few GMs who refused to sign a statement condemning Korchnoi for defecting (along with Spassky & Geller). For that his tournament opportunities were very limited and he couldn't travel. |
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| Apr-18-05 | | RookFile: The guy has guts. (I might have
said something different there. )
Just because you told me that, which
I had forgotten, I might have to
go buy one of his books. |
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| Apr-18-05 | | Chris00nj: <RookFile: >
I have his life & games book "The Sorceror's Apprentice" and it's great collection of stories and games. Bronstein is great. I would love to be able to write him or meet him. His father was sent to the Gulag, so he wasn't a big fan of the Soviet regime. This was a good article to read on Zurich 1953:
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/skitt... |
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