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|Sep-17-08|| ||you vs yourself: <Augalv> Alekhine was simply better at that time?|
|Sep-17-08|| ||Augalv: Getting back on-topic, I loved Monica Seles. For me it was wonderful to watch her play.|
|Sep-17-08|| ||Jim Bartle: In the years 90-92, before she was stabbed, she was probably the best woman player ever. Got to everything, hit it hard with both hands, hit for the lines, and just didn't miss.|
Not exactly quiet, but you can't have everything.
|Sep-17-08|| ||AnalyzeThis: Yes, that's right. And Seles used to beat Staffi Graf. Who knows how many times Seles would have won, but for this?|
|Sep-18-08|| ||visayanbraindoctor: <Augalv: <Ziggurat:> Kramnik may be right if the reason for Capa's losing the title wasn't his lack of preparation, but was it then?>|
I have posted several times on this in in the Capablanca corner. I believe Capa started developing familial Hypertension in his mid 30s after the Lasker WC Match, if it had progressed enough to kill him at the relatively young age of 53. In 1927 when he lost the Title, Capa was 39, and probably already had HPN. His chess performance would have become erratic if he started developing HPN after the 1921 WC Match. 11 years later in 1938, he had an outright stroke. 14 to 15 years later in 1942, he was dead of Hypertension. It usually takes many years for HPN to develop to life-threatening proportions.
You could check my theory in the Capablanca corner.
|Sep-18-08|| ||Jim Bartle: "Who knows how many times Seles would have won, but for this?"|
Well, she had won EVERY major tournament except the Wimbledons (Graf won those) since the beginning of 1991, seven in total. Neither Graf (as I hate to admit, as a big, big Steffi fan) nor anybody else could beat her on hard courts or clay, so in the next five years you could project she would have won ten more majors. That's a conservative projection.
|Sep-18-08|| ||docR: very unlikely seles would have won 10 majors in my opinion.when you consider the grind and burnout in tennis especially for baseline players who must work for every point. seles was great and what happened to her was terrible but she would never have amassed the number of titles of players with more dominant games (naratilova,graf,the williams sisters) she was a better version of hinges.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||chancho: Seles was beating Graf like a drum before the stabbing incident.
Sure, she was not doing as well at Wimbledon, but who's to say that would not have changed had it not been for the stabbing? She was never truly the same player when she returned, and that was a tragedy for the game of tennis.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||Jim Bartle: I have to disagree with you this time, docR. You need to look at film of Seles from 91-93. She hit so hard, hit for the lines, and just did not miss. I remember well, as a Graf fan, getting so frustrated as Seles got to everything Graf blasted at her and even hit winners back.|
I'll agree with the burnout possibility, though.
I guess it's true she was a better version of Hingis, sort of like saying Nadal is a better version of Sergi Bruguera.
|Sep-18-08|| ||docR: jim bartle you seem to have a good knowledge base so i certaintly respect your opinion but we do disagree on this one. seles was as good as she would likely get considering her overall strenght, and quickness was not phenomonal. I agree with your nadal analogy in that i think nadal has nearly tapped out his talent to max potential. he also works so hard i predict early burnout for nadal within the next 2or3 years.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||Riverbeast: <he also works so hard i predict early burnout for nadal within the next 2or3 years.>|
That's probably what Federer is hoping for
|Sep-18-08|| ||safar: What does all this have to do with RJF?|
|Sep-18-08|| ||FHBradley: <you vs yourself: <Augalv> Alekhine was simply better at that time?> Rather unlikely; it's not very often that someone wins in chess because he's the better player, or loses because he's the worse of the two. Most of the time, the reasons for erratic actions OTB are to be found in external factors. For instance, just to take to random examples, Tarrasch lost to Lasker in 1908, because a failure in acclimatization; Zukertort lost for similar reasons to Steinitz in 1886, and perhaps most spectacularly, Capablanca lost to Aljechin in 1927 quite simply because he was the better player.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||Riverbeast: <What does all this have to do with RJF?>|
We've talked about Fischer until we're blue in the face - We've got almost 1100 pages of cantankerous debate here
|Sep-18-08|| ||Augalv: Thanks <visayanbraindoctor>|
|Sep-18-08|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <docR>
<very unlikely seles would have won 10 majors in my opinion.when you consider the grind and burnout in tennis especially for baseline players who must work for every point.>
But she won 9 even with being stabbed and leaving the sport for 2 years. I think she would have definitely won more than 10.
|Sep-18-08|| ||zoren: This man plays good chess. I like this man.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||chancho: Most of the Fischer arguments have been rehashed over and over, ad nauseum.
Maybe we should discuss why he did not want dialysis when he could easily afford it. Did this guy want to die or what?|
|Sep-18-08|| ||Tacticstudent: <zoren> only 90% of chessplayers think like you, at least in the part "he plays good chess"! =P|
But Fischer's personality was indeed arrogant. Once he humiliated Mecking in a tournament. Mecking was talking to Fischer after a draw, and then Mecking said the word 'we'. Fischer immediately said: <<<"Don't say 'we'. You are not in my level.">>> (!!)
|Sep-18-08|| ||Riverbeast: <chancho> I think Fischer distrusted modern medicine. According to many accounts he was interested in natural healing. |
Maybe he also believed in a natural death....Many of the terminally ill get driven to the poorhouse trying to hang on, and live a shadow of a life ...I know people who have similar repulsion to that kind of thing, and choose to die with dignity
|Sep-18-08|| ||chancho: <Riverbeast> He could even have had a kidney transplant had he waited.
I could be wrong of course, but I think he was tired of it all.
Only the man upstairs knows for sure what the deal was with Fischer...|
|Sep-18-08|| ||timhortons: if bobby did agree for a kidney transplant and complied religeously with doctors advice maybe he can still prolong his life for 10 more years.|
having a chronic renal failure and not seeking medical help is an agony,imagine youre kidney's inability to remove those waste product from youre body and it piled up to become toxin.
his last days might be in an agony and his last hours was numbed already from feeling to much pain which he was induring throughout.
|Sep-18-08|| ||AnalyzeThis: Sad to hear.|
|Sep-18-08|| ||Riverbeast: Maybe Fischer wanted to join his buddy Tal....And maybe you're right, maybe he was getting tired of all the b.s. down here|
(Or maybe he's incognito once again...I saw an old dude handing out pamphlets the other day...Made me wonder....)
|Sep-18-08|| ||SetNoEscapeOn: <TacticsStudent>
When it came to chess itself, Fischer was always purely honest. His statement about Mecking is obviously true... Compare this with Mecking's hilarious hubris during the 1974 cycle- "Only Karpov and I can beat Fischer!".
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