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| Jul-22-10 | | I play the Fred: <and we're all descended from Africans.....> I thought mankind origninated in present-day Iran? |
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| Jul-22-10 | | Petrosianic: <My arguments are simple so let's not over-complicate them.> You know, if we redefine the word "Jew" to mean "Martian", then Fischer would be right when he said his mother and sister weren't Jewish. That's a lot simpler than your 1365 argument. |
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Jul-22-10
 | | Travis Bickle: <Petrosianic: ...The thought then occurred that, since Botvinnik was the one who had started all this, that we should make it a Russian name, for an American city. Fischergrad was the natural choice, and that was funny. So, if you ever hear me refer to Fischergrad, without explaining it, it means Chicago, and that's why.> Chicago could also be named Capone City,
or Dillingerville. |
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| Jul-22-10 | | Petrosianic: Capone and Dillinger weren't born there. Besides, Fischer reflects more credit on Chicago than they do. |
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| Jul-22-10 | | Riverbeast: <I thought mankind originated in present-day Iran?> A lot of people speculated that the 'Garden of Eden' was between the Tigris and Euphrates - present day Iraq However, scientists have recently claimed that "Eve", the mother of all humankind, was an African woman And a lot of evidence concludes that all of mankind lived in Africa for millions of years, and only left the continent about 100,000 years ago Now that they're starting to map the DNA, there have been some interesting discoveries <If family trees were charted indefinitely backward, they would eventually converge on a small group of ancients who were ancestors of us all. Now biologists suggest in a report to Nature that a single female living between 140,000 and 280,000 years ago in Africa was an ancestor of everyone on the earth today. Inevitably -- and to the probable delight of creationists -- many scientists are calling her "Eve."The authors point out that the hypothetical Eve, unlike the biblical one, was in no sense the one ancestral mother of all humans. There were other females reproducing at the time who have modern descendants. But Eve is the only one who appears in everyone's genealogy, a conclusion the biologists reached by studying mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA). .....Since the sperm's mitochondria do not survive fertilization intact, mtDNA is inherited solely through the mother.> Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/a...
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| Jul-22-10 | | Petrosianic: On that note, what other good city names might be made from the names of world champions? Botvinniko? Laskerstadt? Steinitz almost sounds like a city name already (like Chemnitz or Colditz). I can think of a really obvious alternate name for Casablanca... |
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| Jul-22-10 | | Petrosianic: Oh wow, there's ALREADY a Lasker, North Carolina.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lasker... |
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Jul-22-10
 | | acirce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anand,... |
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| Jul-22-10 | | I play the Fred: Maybe we can name ghost towns after FIDE Knockout Champions. |
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Jul-22-10
| | acirce: Actually, there is a village in Poland called Kramnik. AND one called Drawnik. Not kidding. I discovered that before. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kramni...
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| Jul-22-10 | | Petrosianic: <Actually, there is a village in Poland called Kramnik. AND one called Drawnik.> I don't say this very often, but that definnitely deserves a ROTFLMAO. (Gee, Kramnik has two cities named after him when most champions don't even have one!) |
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Jul-22-10
| | Travis Bickle: <Riverbeast: However, scientists have recently claimed that "Eve", the mother of all humankind, was an African woman And a lot of evidence concludes that all of mankind lived in Africa for millions of years, and only left the continent about 100,000 years ago Now that they're starting to map the DNA, there have been some interesting discoveries And a lot of evidence concludes that all of mankind lived in Africa for millions of years, and only left the continent about 100,000 years ago.> If that is true then why were The Greeks so advanced with the 1st alphabet etc. and if Africa was the start of all mankind and man lived there millions of years then why is alot of Africa still an under-developed jungle? |
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| Jul-22-10 | | Petrosianic: <Actually, there is a village in Poland called Kramnik. AND one called Drawnik.> I can think of two REALLY good candidates for the Sister Cities Program. |
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Jul-22-10
| | Travis Bickle: <Petrosianic: Oh wow, there's ALREADY a Lasker, North Carolina.> But Lasker wasn't born there. |
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| Jul-22-10 | | BobbyDigital80: Sometimes people claim Fischer was half Jewish because his mother was Jewish, while others say he's 100% Jewish because both parents were Jewish. What exactly are they talking about though when they say Jewish? How can Fischer be 100% Jewish if his mother was Swiss and Polish and his father was Hungarian. He's just a typical European American mutt. I don't think Jews are a race. Maybe they were in biblical times, but not anymore. I also find it ridiculous that some people think Fischer is a hypocrite because he's a self-hating Jew. That would be like me insulting English people and being called a hypocrite because I have some English ancestry. Just because I'm part English, German, Dutch, Welsh, Danish, Belgian, French, and Scottish doesn't mean that I identify with any of those countries or think of myself as being part whatever. I just think of myself as a typical Euro American mutt, and I view Fischer the same way. |
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| Jul-22-10 | | Riverbeast: <If that is true then why were The Greeks so advanced with the 1st alphabet etc> Before the ancient Greeks, there were the Egyptians (who were in Africa) The first known alphabet, I believe, came from the Sumerians? Anyway, all of these ancient races have changed, and mixed, over the millennia...The Egyptians and Greeks and Sumerians and Jews of thousands of years ago are probably quite different from what we see today <I don't think Jews are a race> A lot of people might disagree with you
But if you're right, and so many races have changed and evolved and intermarried over time, then maybe we should stop talking about races being distinct in general |
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Jul-22-10
 | | Check It Out: The state of Africa's degraded politics and economics have nothing to do with how long human's have lived there. For that you would have to ask who benefits from oppression in a corrupt global hierarchy. |
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| Jul-22-10 | | whatthefat: <Travis Bickle: If that is true then why were The Greeks so advanced with the 1st alphabet etc. and if Africa was the start of all mankind and man lived there millions of years then why is alot of Africa still an under-developed jungle?> By the same reasoning, why are regions such as Mesopotamia, which were once so technologically advanced, now essentially irrelevant? |
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Jul-22-10
| | Travis Bickle: <Riverbeast: (an excerpt of his earlier post) ...And a lot of evidence concludes that all of mankind lived in Africa for millions of years, and only left the continent about 100,000 years ago.> Keep in mind these are just questions that I came up with, I'm not denying any scientific theories or so called evidence. That said, if this is true why was it only about 100,000 years ago that humans got advanced enough to leave Africa for other continents? Why wasn't Africa the leader in world developments? For instance Cleopatra's Egypt, Greece, Rome & later England were super power nations, why didn't Africa being the very 1st civilization not have been at the forefront of technology? It's like when mankind left Africa development became stagnant. Maybe it was lack of resources but why were other armies so much greater? Alexander The Great, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar ruled the world or parts of it for many years, why didn't Africa? I also find it sadly ironic that the very 1st civilization Africa, were taken slaves by Spain, England, America etc. when they should have had the most advanced armies and weapons to fight off these evil conquerors. Thirdly scientists have found in Africa and other remote locations on earth tribes where time virtually has stood still for thousands of years. The people are uneducated, hunt with very crude weapons and are oblivious of the outside world. It just doesn't make sense to me. |
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| Jul-23-10 | | shishio71: So, if Morphy's the pride and sorrow of chess, then does that make Fischer the Insane Hero of chess? Granted before him, there was Torre, Rubinstein, etc... |
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Jul-23-10
 | | HeMateMe: <TB> Some scientists believe that Africa failed to keep pace with the Europe area because much of Africa lacks the minerals to make tools, for increasing man's productivity and knowledge. |
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| Jul-23-10 | | Riverbeast: Maybe the African tribes who have been living the same way for thousands of years, have had no real incentive to change their lifestyle, and build modern weapons, or structures, or technology There are people all over the world who still live an agrarian lifestyle that hasn't really changed The pyramids of Egypt, though, were built by a highly advanced civilization |
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| Jul-23-10 | | noendgame: Why did civilization as we think of it first develop where it did? In a word, winter. The most primitive peoples in the world to this day are mainly equitorial, whether in the Amazon basin, central Africa, or Borneo (Australia is a special case). Large agrarian societies began along river valleys in northern Africa, Mesopotamia, and China. These lands lie approximately between the Tropic of Cancer and 45 degrees latitude and exhibit seasons. With seasonality it was necessary to invent a calendar and eventually arithmetic and an alphabet. Equitorial peoples live without seasonality and thus no incentive to try to manage the future. In addition to geography, there is also the theory that only the more adventurous individuals or tribes ventured out of Africa and thus carried with them a genetic advantage. |
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| Jul-23-10 | | Riverbeast: <Maybe it was lack of resources but why were other armies so much greater? Alexander The Great, Genghis Khan, Julius Caesar ruled the world or parts of it for many years, why didn't Africa?> One of my favorite generals of history was Hannibal
In his time, Carthage (modern day Libya) was one of the major empires in the world, and Hannibal led what may have been the strongest army in the world In the second Punic War, his armies routed the Romans (who up until that time were the greatest army in the world) in every single pitched land battle they fought Hannibal even tried to march on Rome itself, bringing his elephants all the way through the Alps....The only way the Romans could defeat him was fighting what was essentially a guerrilla war, attacking the supply lines...They knew they could not beat him in an open battle |
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| Jul-23-10 | | whatthefat: <noendgame: Australia is a special case> Well, Australia has very little seasonality, so your argument makes some sense. But along the lines of what <Riverbeast> is saying, developing technologies at the expense of the land also runs counter to the culture of the Australian aborigines. |
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