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|Mar-09-12|| ||laurenttizano: I know Fischer is a genius ,I saw him many times.He loved the Philippines including Gm Torre,
He also has a Filipino IM driver!
eternal rest ...
|Mar-09-12|| ||Travis Bickle: Happy Birthday RJF The Greatest!!|
|Mar-09-12|| ||benjinathan: What is the point of wishing a happy birthday to someone who is dead?|
|Mar-09-12|| ||Penguincw: R.I.P. Bobby Fischer.|
|Mar-09-12|| ||parisattack: <benjinathan: What is the point of wishing a happy birthday to someone who is dead?>|
Same reason we have funerals and wakes. It gives comfort to the living and at various levels of faith we hope those we honor in such fashion are aware of our deeds.
|Mar-09-12|| ||Lil Swine: Happy Birthday to "The Greatest"!!!!!|
|Mar-09-12|| ||KKDEREK: Happy Birthday Bob! For you..
|Mar-09-12|| ||Sneaky: Happy birthday Bobby
On a day like this, it's good to hear Bobby himself, talk about the universe, the Bible, God, extraterrestrials, and everything.
The hippie music in the background is a freebie :)
|Mar-09-12|| ||tolengoy: happy birthday idol!!!|
|Mar-09-12|| ||Mudphudder: Happy Birthday, Bobby!!!! The genius over the board you could've still seen at the age of 69 we will never know.|
|Mar-10-12|| ||Dr. Yes: Wishing a Happy Birthday to Bobby Fischer, greatest chess professional, ever!|
|Mar-10-12|| ||Dr. Yes: Discussing why the match between Fischer and Karpov never took place is just water under the bridge now.|
Fischer's demand for a ten win match does seem a little excessive, but even Larry Evans said that mathematically, a 9 to 9 draw clause didn't give the champion any more advantage than a 12 to 12 draw in the normal matches of the 50s and 60s.
|Mar-10-12|| ||Llawdogg: Happy Birthday Bobby Fischer! Happy birthday to you.|
|Mar-10-12|| ||talisman: happy birthday to the greatest!|
|Mar-11-12|| ||galdur: A deciphering job.
Chesshistory.com is trying to figure out Bobby´s score sheet from his training game with Gligoric in 1992. Seems very tough, good luck.
|Mar-11-12|| ||JoergWalter: I guess we can agree on the first 18 moves:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 O-O 9.h3 Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Ng5 Rf8 12.Nf3 Re8 13.Nbd2 Bf8 14.d5 Nb8 15.Nf1 Nbd7 16.Ng3 g6 17.Be3 Bg7 18.Qd2 Qe7
Then the mysteries start:
19. Rf1, 19. Nh2, and 19. Rec1 are given interpretations of Fischer’s scratching.
I would exclude Nh2. The first letter is definitely meant to be a K.
White’s 22nd move reads definitely as RxB which is wrong it must be RxN
Attempts to unravel the moves played in the 1992 Fischer v Gligoric training game (after move 18):
1) From Eduardo Bauzá Mercére (New York, NY, USA):
19 Nh2 Nb6 20 a4 bxa4 21 Bxa4 Nxa4 22 Rxa4 c6 23 c4 cxd5 24 cxd5 Bc8 25 Rea1 Rb8 26 R1a2 h5 27 f3 h4 28 Ne2 Nh5 29 R4a3 f5 30 Ra4 Rf8 31 Bf2 Qf7 32 Nf1 fxe4 33 Rxe4 Nf6 34 Rxh4 Bb7 35 Nc3 Nxd5 36 Nxd5 Bxd5 37 Rxa6 Bf6 38 Rg4 Be6 39 Ra7 Qe8 40 Qh6 Resigns.
2) From Luc Winants (Boirs, Belgium):
19 Rf1 Nb6 20 a4 bxa4 21 Bxa4 Nxa4 22 Rxa4 c6 23 c4 cxd5 24 cxd5 Bc8 25 Rfa1 Rb8 26 Ne1 h5 27 f3 h4 28 Ne2 Nh5 29 Nd3 f5 30 Nb4 f4 31 Bf2 Qg5 32 Kh2 Ng3 33 Nxa6 Bd7 34 Nxb8 Bxa4 35 Nc3 Rxb8 36 Nxa4 Bf6 37 Nb6 Bd8 38 Nc4 Qe7 39 Qc2 Resigns.
19.Rf1 Nb6 20.a4 bxa4 21.Bxa4 Nxa4 22.Rxa4 c6 23.c4 cxd5 24.cxd5 Bc8 25.Rfa1 Rb8 26.Ne1 h5 27.f3 h4 28.Ne2 Nh5 29.Nd3 f5 30.Nb4 f4 31.Bf2 Qg5 32.Kh2 Ng3 33.Nxa6 Bd7 34.Nxb8 Bxa4 35.Nc3 Rxb8 36.Nxa4 Bf6 37.Nb6 Bd8 38.Nc4 Qe7 39.Qc2 Resigns.
4. From <crawfb5>
19.Rec1 Nb6 20.a4 bxa4 21.Bxa4 Nxa4 22.Rxa4 c6 23.c4 cxd5 24.cxd5 Bf8
|Mar-11-12|| ||TheFocus: The moves I posted were a re-posting of Luc Winants from <Chess Notes>, although I agree with them, as they matched what I was considering, but I had not completed my investigation. Therefore, I deserve no credit here.|
I don't thing Eduardo Bauzá Mercére is correct.
24.Bf8 in <Crawfb4>'s line could have gone either way as both Bishops could go to their home squares.
|Mar-11-12|| ||JoergWalter: Agree on your assessment. The final move is definitely 39.Qc2 and not 40.Qh6.|
Btw, would you know why Fischer's handwriting goes from bad to unreadable after move 19? Did they have a Slibovic after every move they made??
|Mar-11-12|| ||TheFocus: LOL! Probably!
I have seen a lot of copies of his score-sheets, and that is the worst I have ever seen.
|Mar-13-12|| ||TheFocus: In <Chess Notes> today, we find the following:|
7552. Fischer v Gligorić (C.N.s 7542 & 7543)
Eduardo Bauzá Mercére (New York, NY, USA) writes:
‘In Mr Winants’ reconstruction there are many moves which, with hindsight, I find more recognizable from the original score-sheet than in my own attempt. For example: 29 NQ3, 31…QN5, 32…NN6, 34 NxR, 35 NB3! (and not 35 Rxa4 Nf1+), and 39 QB2. Even the mysterious rook move 19 Rf1 would match the apparent 19 RB1.
So I think that, short of obtaining from Gligorić himself a different version of the game, Mr Winants’ reconstruction should be taken as the true score. My congratulations to him.’
|Mar-13-12|| ||I play the Fred: <Gligoric> may not be of help here, as he himself once pointed out: "I even forget my own games!"|
|Mar-16-12|| ||Alien Math: Chess Explorations (80)
By Edward Winter
Pages 180-181 of Bobby Fischer Uncensored by David DeLucia (Darien, 2009) gave three training games played by Fischer and Gligorić, and page 332 of volume two of Mr DeLucia’s new work In Memoriam has another game-score, with the caption ‘Unrecorded training game, Fischer-Gligoric 1992, written in Fischer’s hand’. With the author’s permission C.N. 7542 reproduced the score-sheet: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
|Mar-17-12|| ||cro777: <Andrew Soltis new book:"What It Takes to Become a Chess Master"> |
After 44 moves during an Olympiad team tournament in 1970, Fischer's opponent, a friend, said "I don't know who is better, Bobby, but I offer a draw."
Fischer was canded when he refused: "I don't know who is better either but I have an extra pawn."
Only when both sides were reduced to pass moves, 16 moves later, did he accept the draw.
That's the spirit of a master.
Fischer - Hort. Position after 44...Bc3
click for larger view
45. Ne1 Nb7 46. Bd1 Nc5 47. f3 Kg7 48. Bc2 Kf6 49. Ng4+ Ke7 50. Nf2 Bd7
51. Nd1 Bb4 52. Nb2 Be6 53. Nc4 Bxc4 54. dxc4 Bxe1 55. Kxe1 g5 56. Ke2 Kd6
57. f4 gxf4 58. gxf4 f6 59. Kf3 Ke6 60. Ke2 Kd6 1/2-1/2
In his earlier book "Bobby Fischer rediscovered" Soltis also mentioned this episode.
|Mar-17-12|| ||JoergWalter: <Pages 4-7 of the January 1973 Chess Life & Review transcribed interviews (originally published in the Icelandic magazine Skák) by Gligoriæ with Fischer, Spassky and Thorarinsson for a radio audience. A compilation of some remarks by Fischer is given below:|
‘I want to play a lot of chess and I like to play matches. I want to play a lot of matches, you know; the money is there. It’s a question of money, not a question of waiting three years – it’s a long time, a very long time.’
(On whether he would have another match with Spassky): ‘Definitely, yes. Definitely if the money is there, we are going to have a return match, there’s no question.’
‘You know, the Russians made me wait a very long time; you know, dishonestly and everything. But I don’t intend to do the same thing.’
(Asked whether he would accept new offers in the United States, i.e. to appear in public): ‘No, I want to play. I’m not interested in making some kind of spectacle of myself. I’m interested in serious chess, you know.>
What made him change his mind?
|Mar-17-12|| ||Riverbeast: <What made him change his mind?>|
Maybe, for the first time in his life, he started getting interested in other things besides chess
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