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|May-06-12|| ||MarkFinan: Once more, I agree with Harry..
You've got the blood of a Life Master running through your veins <JohnDahl> lol ;)
Seriously though... Go back to whatever twisted little rock you crawled out from last month, you're a real nasty little man...
I say, say on this site what you'd say to that person in a real life situation, right?....
I really hope that makes you think about how much pain you'd be in right now if you spoke to me again like you did on the Kramnik v Aronian game page last week...
Something needs to be done about you, before you create even more enemies.... You've not said one nice thing, to one nice person yet..
But carry on.........
|May-06-12|| ||wwall: Bobby Fischer once wanted to be a singer. He did sing for Saemi Palsson, the Icelandic policeman assigned to guard him in Reykjavik. When Palsson was asked how Fischer sounded, he said, "Not very beautiful because Bobby was not a very musical voice." (by Harold Schoenberg. New York Times, 1972)|
Not sure if he was a Beatles fan. So far, no evidence one way or the other. Perhaps Frank Brady knows.
|May-07-12|| ||RookFile: I think it was mentioned in Profile of a Prodigy that Fischer followed music when a teenager.|
|May-07-12|| ||Troller: <It was a 'Fischeresque' performance...Flawlessly logical and precise...In a game of strategy and positioning> Well that can be said about all kinds of sporting achievements. Of course, <it is at least as relevant to Fischer, as much of the recent conversation here>, but that's not saying much.|
<JustWon: Sorry <Joshka> sponsoring these crappy tournaments is bad enough, glorifing a hate mongerer as well I suggest you save up and put your money where your mouth is.>
It can't be worse than Alekhine Memorials, and we have seen these already.
|May-07-12|| ||JohnDahl: Correcting the logical, conceptual and historical falsehoods of <Harry> and <Mark> is becoming tedious and a distraction from my higher vocation. They're so alike in their witlessness and ignorance, that I suspect this gruesome twosome may, in fact, be the same person, or, at least, brothers.|
|May-07-12|| ||MarkFinan: Well what is your 'Higher vocation' here <JohnnyD>?
To offend everyone who's trying to be nice with you?
And to think me and Harry are the same person just proves how ignorant *you* are, considering we talk to each other fairly regular!!!
If this really is how you speak to people in the big bad world, then you must be a very, very hard man? Well people who are experts on everything (like you), and look down at the lower classes insulting them at every given opportunity, tend to be wimps who can /dare only speak to people like you do via the Internet...
|May-07-12|| ||Petrosianic: <They're so alike in their witlessness and ignorance, that I suspect this gruesome twosome may, in fact, be the same person, or, at least, brothers.>|
They don't seem much alike to me. Harry was a Fischertarian religious fanatic and Mark was an obnoxious Rebel Without a Clue type. The Fischer Cult attracts kooks like moths to a flame. You <wish> they were all one person.
|May-07-12|| ||JoergWalter: <Joshka> I heard that Spassky official pricemoney in 1969 was equivalent to US$ 6,000. Just don't know how much he was allowed to keep for himself.|
here is a probe of Fischer's singing talent, not directly painful to the ears but he should not tell the story but sing it
|May-07-12|| ||diceman: <wwall: Bobby Fischer once wanted to be a singer.>|
He did, for a short time, go out on a singing tour, opening for Gladys Knight and the Pips.
(he liked her last name)
Bobby Fischer and the Pawns, was the name of his group.
Many contentious hours and lawsuits were required to bring them to “pawn” status.
(Bobby originally wanted: Fischer and the Weak Squares)
After several weeks on the road, tensions with the pawns doubled, tripled,
they became isolated, and several were dropped.
It goes without saying, Fischer refused to promote any of them.
4 weeks into the tour all the pawns had resigned.
|May-07-12|| ||diceman: <JoergWalter:
here is a probe of Fischer's singing talent, not directly painful to the ears but he should not tell the story but sing it>
Throw a cowboy hat on him, and he could audition for ZZ Top.
|May-07-12|| ||tpstar: <Bobby Fischer and the pawns> Bobby and the Weakies must have been taken.|
He always opened his show with "E4" as it was best by test. Then Bobby would throw in some Beatles medley for the fans (more excuses to whine about his lost belongings), followed by a tribute to Pasadena ("Jailhouse Rock"), and he liked to end with "My Way" as Fischer swore Frank stole it from him - Sinatra, that is, not Brady.
The girls all wore their Bobby sox.
|May-07-12|| ||tamar: More Bobby songs:
Lowest Dog Around
|May-07-12|| ||tpstar: "Bobby Got Black"
"When I'm 64"
|May-07-12|| ||JohnDahl: 'Mama Was A Rolling Stone'
'Serbian Homesick Blues'
'An Innocent Man'
'Castles In The Air'
|May-08-12|| ||harrylime: <Petrosianic>
Thanks for your defense there above but... then again lol lol
|May-08-12|| ||harrylime: Fischer was THE revolution in chess.. THE catalyst. |
Fischer brought chess , like holding the tail of a Tiger, into the modern age.. And he was penalised and suffered for doing so ...
|May-08-12|| ||Riverbeast: <Fischer brought chess , like holding the tail of a Tiger, into the modern age.. And he was penalised and suffered for doing so>|
Something like a Christ figure?
I know this post will get the typical "Fischer religious fanatic" dismissals
But objectively speaking, wasn't Fischer something of a messiah to the chess world?
He took chess out of the back rooms and penny prize funds, into the big time....Created a boom in worldwide interest....Made chess exciting and 'cool' to the general public
And FIDE decided, for political reasons, to reject his (fair) conditions, and drive him away
It was a loss for both
Fischer lost, because away from chess, he was truly lost
But as great as the price Fischer paid, the chess world lost much more
Think of how much bigger chess COULD have been, if FIDE had done their best to keep him around
The prize fund for the upcoming 2012 WC match is $2.5 million
Nice chunk of change, right? I guess we can thank Fischer for bringing chess into such a 'modern' age
But the modern age has regressed from what it was forty years ago
In 1975 they were offering $5 million for the WC match...Twice as much!....Adjusting for inflation it's a heck of a lot more than twice as much
Fischer created a chess boom, but it fizzled out when Fischer left
That boom needed nurturing...Until it had legs of its own....If there had been (say) ten sustained years of that kind of interest, then you would have had a whole generation of people around the world who were seriously interested in chess
Then try to imagine what the 'modern age' of chess would look like
|May-08-12|| ||JohnDahl: Let's put this Fischer nonsense to bed, once and for all (some hope!). Yes, Fischer bought money to chess but only for the top 1%. Or, actually, the top 1% of the top 1%. The reason prize money for FIDE World Championship matches was so small is because they were dominated by the Soviets. Why would their government put up large prize funds only to pay the money back to itself? If we want to understand the development of professional chess, we have to look at the respective prize funds (and appearance fees) for the major tournaments outside of the WC cycle. How did they compare through the 1960s and 1970s? And what were the main sources of these monies? Private benefactors, government bodies or corporate sponsors?|
On a wider level, it has to be acknowledged that Fischer just happened to coincide with a period where sport in general was starting to feel the benefits of corporate sponsorship and associated TV revenues.
In short, Fischer may have been the catalyst or lightning rod for increased sponsorship in chess but he was only a bit player in a far bigger story.
|May-08-12|| ||Riverbeast: To put it in perspective, the 1975 WC prize fund was much higher at that time, than any prize funds seen in tennis and golf!|
|May-08-12|| ||JohnDahl: What were the prize funds in Hastings or Wijk aan Zee in 1975?|
|May-08-12|| ||Riverbeast: <John Dahl> My original point was that it would have taken a more sustained boom to lead to the kind of 'trickle down', where other GMs and masters are making more money|
Sustained interest in chess means more tournaments, higher prize funds in swisses, more sponsorship, etc
More serious chessplayers around the world (who stick with the game, teach it to their kids, etc) would require more teachers....Which would give the lower GMs and masters more of an income
More publicity and higher prize funds at the top makes the game more glamorous, and more of a viable and attractive carrer choice...More and more kids (and their parents) start seriously thinking of chess as a playing profession, and a way to 'get rich'....
And the cycle becomes more self-sustaining
Fischer started the boom, but it was still in its infancy...I think it needed more time to grow and take root
|May-08-12|| ||Riverbeast: All I can say is, if this kid Carlsen comes even close to generating the kind of popularity Fischer did...|
Which I think a lot of people are hoping for...Some sort of 'second coming' ;-) ...
Hopefully FIDE will learn from their past idiocy and do what they should have done the first time
Give the kid everything he wants!
When you've got a Golden Boy in your hands, a Midas, only a fool starts haggling over trivialities
What do they call that? 'Pennywise and pound foolish'?
|May-08-12|| ||keypusher: <I know this post will get the typical "Fischer religious fanatic" dismissals>|
<And FIDE decided, for political reasons, to reject his (fair) conditions, and drive him away>
But it will get the usual <you're full of crap.> Fischer quit. Full stop.
|May-08-12|| ||harrylime: Fischer QUIT ! lol lol lol lol
FULL STOP .
|May-08-12|| ||harrylime: <Keypusher> What a numptie you are ! .. You really are great for laffs tho ! lol|
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