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|Nov-17-09|| ||M.D. Wilson: <yalie>: <The above comment makes us seriously rethink where we rank Karpov in the pantheon of all time greats, does it not?
I used to think Karpov was an automatic top 5, but now I seriously doubt he is a lock to be up there>.|
Of course not, yalie. Karpov is at least top five of all time. Personally, I rank him second of all time, only after Kasparov, but before Fischer and Capablanca. I don't think people will be changing their opinions based on this passage. His results speak for themselves, don't they?
|Nov-17-09|| ||Everett: Botvinnik is ever the poor sportsman, and it must have bothered him that nearly everyone by his death were ranking Karpov ahead of him on the greatest list.|
I've said in other places that the greatest champions by far were Lasker, Alekhine, Karpov and Kasparov, for they continued to compete and improve after becoming champion. For most others, the championship was a high mark of chess skill and success that could not be repeated.
Outside of these four, all the champions from Capablanca on are on the same playing field. Great, great players.
|Nov-17-09|| ||meth0dSNK: karpov eta sela|
|Nov-17-09|| ||meth0dSNK: nu ya selnaye|
|Nov-19-09|| ||whatthefat: Did anyone else notice the way that Karpov seems perpetually surprised by his opponents moves in the videos from the Blitz World Championship? There's almost never an instantaneous reply; rather, a slightly discombobulated look as his eyes dart from one area of the board to another.|
|Nov-20-09|| ||Everett: <whatthefat> That's disturbing, in that he was known to be quite poker-faced when younger and playing classical.|
|Nov-20-09|| ||A Karpov Fan: I didn't notice anything strange about his behaviour tbh. Almost every player I watched had games where they were <clearly> not having much fun. Apart from Carlsen maybe lol|
|Nov-20-09|| ||matherd1: Comments suggesting that Karpov somehow owed his success to some small but reputationally significant degree to Soviet seconds and manouverings seem rather crazy to me. What about his performance at Linares 1994 (ranked by chessmetrics as the all-time greatest, slightly above even Fischer's whitewashing of Larsen)after the soviety union was gone? Or the fact that he remained number 2 in the world (arguably) until at least 1996, when he beat Kamsky (then a VERY strong player who'd come through proper candidates) in a match.|
|Nov-20-09|| ||whatthefat: Here's a video of Karpov-Kramnik where he looks to me like a deer in the headlights. He seems perpetually over-hesitant for a blitz game, and gets flagged even with the 2 second increment:|
|Nov-20-09|| ||KamikazeAttack: Karpov became world champion the year Kramnik was born.|
|Nov-24-09|| ||ChessBossMan: I'm going to add this GM to our GM's section on http://www.ChessBoss.com/ !|
|Nov-28-09|| ||Everett: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail...
The above link discusses "Chess Oscars" as concluded by Sonas (of chessmetrics fame) It was interesting to note that Karpov was the statistically best player in the following years: 1973-77, 1979-1981, 1984, 1987 and 1995.
In 1973, according to this database, his record was +33 =43 -1
His lone loss was to Petrosian. Though he wasn't consistently fighting against the very best yet, he still had wins over Spassky, Korchnoi, Hort, Vaganian, Beliavsky, Ribli, Sax, Savon and others.
In 1974, with the competition vastly increasing Karpov won his second "Oscar": +22 =35 -3
Lone loses were 2 to Korchnoi and 1 to Spassky.
|Dec-07-09|| ||Knightenprise: <whatthefat> Is it just me or does Kramnik's shirt in that video seem unfitting for the serious expression he has?|
|Dec-16-09|| ||HeMateMe: "Elista Diaries" and co-author Ron Henley get high marks from chess fans. I saw this, on another site:|
"Being not only a writer but also a chess grandmaster, Ron Henley has provided unique insights into the multiple dynamics of the matches.
I was president of the high school chess club in Houston Texas where Ron and I were students. Even then Ron had the ability to provide all the members with analysis and explanations of strategy that we could each immediately utilize. Under his tutelage we won the Houston high school chess championships against much stronger competition.
I was delighted to find that Ron's ability to communicate his observations and skills as a chess grandmaster to those of us without his chess ability has only gotten better with time. His thorough explanations and clearly understandable writing style will allow the reader to have a much greater appreciation for the marvelous complexity of the matches. I know I sure did, and I am certain that the other readers/chess players to whom I will be presenting this book will also."
I always wondered what the connection was between Karpov and Henley. Henley is, at best, an average GM. He's probably not in Karpov's league for deep chess insight. I would guess its a matter of loyalty. When Karpov was still world champion, somewhat unfamiliar with the west, and was the tip of the Soviet iceberg, Henley was probably a friendly guy who helped out in chess writing, and evaluating business opportunities. I would guess He didn't really need to employ Henley 10 or 15 years later, but wanted to keep an old comrade in the fold.
Does anyone know if they have continued working together, after the mid 90s?
|Jan-09-10|| ||tixxo: Just found other Karpov games collections :
|Jan-17-10|| ||shreyaslathi: indeed karpov is underate d player for his caliber !!! its fit perfectly tht GK became even a notch higher by beating karpov this opprtunity was denied to karpov by fischer had he had tht experience he wuld have definately won first championship match. GK is the t best for sure but margin of his championship victories over others and karpov only tells tht he better thn karpov by slight margin. Truely these 2 way ahead of others. GK cant be GK without karpov & karpov cant be karpov withput GK both r irreplaceble. Especially hats off to t karpov he is active player til now age 65+ still promoting this beautiful game. wch GK cant becoz GK wont play if he is not t top. wch karpov adjusts.
Really to dedicate to this age its really tough. slash 10 yrs of karpov i guess it will be diff scene b/w 2 best ever palyer !!!! Hats of 2 both of u !!!|
|Jan-17-10|| ||A Karpov Fan: Yes I agree Karpov missed a great opportunity to develop in the Fischer match, even though it is hard to imagine what he would have been like even stronger... ;-)|
|Jan-24-10|| ||M.D. Wilson: Yes, Karpov would have benefitted from matches against Fischer, like he did against Spassky in 1974. He always improved after a match, except in 1978, when Korchnoi was better in the endgame, but only just. Still, with Korchnoi playing at his limit and with Karpov "off the boil" a little bit, the latter player still won. Great nerves. The two best players of all time, in my opinion, are Kasparov and Karpov. Champions of the past simply didn't compete like these two, perhaps only Alekhine really dominated after winning the title, but that was when Capa was away from the game in the early 1930s. In putting their titles and reputations on the line, the two KKs became stronger. Iron sharpens iron. |
We can thank Karpov for creating the Monster from Baku! Perhaps Carlsen will overtake them all?
|Feb-01-10|| ||KingG: Some good footage of the Karpov-Korchnoi and Karpov-Kasparov matches:
|Feb-03-10|| ||M.D. Wilson: Pretty epic music!|
|Feb-10-10|| ||tranquilsimplicity: I hate to criticize but i cannot contain myself on this topic. With all due respect to a great man of our noble art, I am not really set on fire by any aspect of karpov; not his chess nor his personality! I don't think he is exactly colourful or exciting in any way. He may be one of the greatest Chess players of the ULTRA-POSITIONAL (correct chess) school but I will never warm to this style of the game. Lastly, "he is the most naturally gifted players of the game" ????...is an opinion that I strongly disagree with even though I have never met the man. However enough of vitr and long live Karpov.Thanx for the post Alchemist.|
|Feb-12-10|| ||M.D. Wilson: You may not appreciate his chess, tranquilsimplicity, which is unfortunate, but surely you recognise his strength as probably the second greatest chess player of all time (if Kasparov is taken to be the greatest)?|
As to your classification of his style as "ULTRA-POSITIONAL (correct chess)". Hmm, not sure that's enough. He has beaten players in almost every conceivable way. For interest's sake, which players do you find more pleasing?
My favourite players of the last few years are Kramnik and Aronian, both "positional players", but they too play the position on its merits.
|Feb-20-10|| ||M.D. Wilson: Who else thinks Karpov would make a good FIDE President?|
|Feb-20-10|| ||HeMateMe: Has he actively ran for the job? I would think a top flight tournament organizer, without any nationaistic bias, would be a good choice.|
Also, Yasser Seriwan comes to mind. I'm starting to wonder if anyone wants the job?
|Feb-21-10|| ||M.D. Wilson: It's perhaps not the most appealing career move.|
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