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|Aug-20-11|| ||swissfed: ¡¥I myself have been travelling around the world for 20 years, and I have never met a chessplayer who would agree to join me for a visit to an art gallery.¡¦Karpov (page 58)(Karpov on Karpov)|
|Aug-31-11|| ||technical draw: Anatoly Karpov will forever be remembered as the player between Fischer and Kasparov. It's unfortunate that a lot of people don't recognize the greatness of Karpov.|
His accomplishments are just too many to list here so I'll just say: Anatoly Evgenyevich Karpov, one of the greatest of all time.
|Aug-31-11|| ||HeMateMe: I don't think Karpov suffers as "the player in between" Fischer and Kaspy. Chessplayers know who he is.|
The players who might be a bit lost in history are the gallery of one-two year champions that FIDE somehow manufactured in the years that followed Kasparov's leaving FIDE. It has only gotten straightened out in the last few years, where Anand is recognized as undisputed world champion.
|Aug-31-11|| ||Mr. Bojangles: <technical draw: Anatoly Karpov will forever be remembered as the player between Fischer and Kasparov.>|
Very few non-Americans would argue that Fischer achieved more than Karpov.
Karpov's greatness is as solid as gold.
|Aug-31-11|| ||Petrosianic: Karpov achieved more, he's won more tournaments than Fischer and Kasparov combined. (Few realize that Fischer won a mere 10 international tournaments in his whole life).|
But Karpov didn't peak as high. And he hasn't got any "No-Hitters" to show on highlight reels. Those three shutouts really make Fischer's career stand out. Fischer also has the early setbacks; defeats in his first two candidates, and psychological hang-ups that spoiled the next two. When he finally made it to the top, you really felt he climbed a mountain.
Karpov and Kasparov, by contrast, were like Tal. They appeared out of nowhere and vaulted to the top on their very first try. It's great, but it's not as good a story.
|Aug-31-11|| ||technical draw: <It's great, but it's not as good a story.>|
I agree. It's the "story" that interests non-chessplayers. People that didn't know a Sicilian from King's Indian were talking about Fischer this and Fischer that. I don't think that even Magnus Carlsen has captivated the non-playing public more than Fischer.
I also agree with <Mr.Bojangles>, <Karpov's greatness is as solid as gold>...
We are reaching the point, however, that the majority of players today were not living when Fischer played and soon Bobby will take his place alongside Capablanca and Lasker as an historical figure.
|Aug-31-11|| ||Ziggurat: <Kramnik said Karpov made him feel like "an idiot">|
<When having an edge, Karpov often marked time and still gained the advantage! I don't know anyone else who could do that, it's incredible. I was always impressed and delighted by this skill. When it looked like it was high time to start a decisive attack, Karpov played a3, h3, and his opponent's position collapsed.>
|Aug-31-11|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Imagine if Karpov or Kasparov were American or British? The Pope woulda been pushed to beatify them - ALIVE!|
St Karpov, St Kasparov.
|Aug-31-11|| ||Psihadal: <Ziggurat>
Spassky as well once said that Karpov often gave him the feeling like he has no idea what's going on on the board.
Like Kramnik said, Karpov had the great talent of making the smallest, most subtle moves, that somehow won him the game.
|Sep-01-11|| ||Capabal: There is a funny 3 minute video at the chessbase page dedicated to Karpov's 60th birthday:|
<You may have some problems understanding the inimitable Alexander Roshal, who knew just a couple of hundred words of English, but used these better than anyone with a similarly limited vocabulary. Alexander was a trainer at the time of their meeting, a 2430 rated master, who played some blitz games against the 11-year-old chess prodigy Anatoly Karpov – with his students crowded around. Roshal tells us that while normal prodigies will sacrifice pieces and tear you to pieces, the young Karpov was different – "he would not give you a single pawn, not even a single square." After he had lost the first game against Karpov, Roshal asked the students around him to tell him what he had done wrong – turning the game into a didactic lesson for them. After losing three more he again asked his students to identify the mistakes he had made. "Why did I lose?" he asked. From Karpov came the timid suggestion: "Perhaps because I am a better player than you?">
|Sep-01-11|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Nice story Capabal ... Karpov was master in every sense of the word.|
|Sep-01-11|| ||Capabal: <Mr. Bojangles: Imagine if Karpov or Kasparov were American or British? The Pope woulda been pushed to beatify them - ALIVE!|
St Karpov, St Kasparov.>
I can see it. Great material for Hollywood for many decades. AK as Anthony Carp from an honest family of farmers in the heart of Kansas, married young to his high school sweetheart, Dory Gale. I can also see Gary Caspar emerging through sheer willpower and determination from the depths of hardship, abandoned by his father (a cattle-wrangling brawler and drunk in the Casper, WY area, who abused him as a child). Now we throw Capablanca in the mix by moving his birthplace to Manhattan. Here he is, Mr. Joseph-Raoul Whitecape, a very trim, suave early century New Yorker from a family of means. You have covered the main pillars of the American landscape, and you have all the perfect ingredients for a Chess Holy Trinity lasting longer than Christianity itself. Now we turn Fischer into an unstable misfit from a Budapest ghetto, with a funny Hungarian name, and let’s make movies.
|Sep-01-11|| ||Mr. Bojangles: Capabal that was hilarious great imagination there.|
|Sep-01-11|| ||keypusher: <Mr. Bojangles: Capabal that was hilarious great imagination there.>|
What he said.
|Sep-11-11|| ||swissfed: Karpov: ¡§Botvinnik thought an uneducated player couldn¡¦t become World Champion¡¨|
Yesterday former World Champion Anatoly Karpov was in the small Siberian city of Tobolsk (¡§the cultural capital of Siberia¡¨), where he talked to the local press.
An interview with vsluh.ru included:
I was lucky in life. I got into Botvinnik¡¦s school. I can¡¦t say I derived a lot of chess ideas from him, but there was his attitude to chess ¡V that was one thing. And his attitude to life ¡V that was another. Botvinnik thought an uneducated chess player couldn¡¦t become World Champion. Education brings stability, including mental stability. I always took education seriously. I graduated from a school specialising in Physics and Maths with the highest grade. Then from university with honours. And as World Champion I engaged in academic research. It¡¦s no accident that I¡¦m an honorary professor of Moscow University and an honorary doctor of Leningrad University¡K
|Oct-16-11|| ||swissfed: The only living player whom Karpov deems his equal is Bobby Fischer, whom he never played and who doesn't play anymore. He describes Fischer as ``unique in his solitude.'' That makes two. (Jan. 1st, 1992, A Memoir of a Chess World Champion )|
|Oct-29-11|| ||bronkenstein: Karpov (and Kasparov) commenting in detail the games of their 1991 Lyon (part) match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqx....|
|Dec-07-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: Fischer may have won the match in 1975, maybe not ... but I would've bet on Karpov for 78. Unlike Spassky, Karpov did not collapse after a defeat (of a game or match) ... just look at how he returned to form after Kaspy took his title. After 48 games, and having his 5-3 lead unfairly erased to 0-0, he probably expected to lose the rematch. Nonetheless, Kasparov could still only barely win the second match. And after he lost the title, again and again he kept fighting hard, and nearly took back the title. If Fischer had won in 1975 and expected Karpov to collapse, I think he would've been in for a disturbing surprise ...
Fischer was amazing, but he is also overrated, and die-hard Fischer fans can only speculate as to what Fischer might have accomplished, as opposed to Karpov and Kasparov who actually DID accomplish amazing feats as WC.|
|Dec-09-11|| ||AnalyzeThis: < After 48 games, and having his 5-3 lead unfairly erased to 0-0, he probably expected to lose the rematch. >|
Yes, you're right. What should have happenned was that they should have kept playing, then it would have been patently obvious that Kasparov could still play chess at that point, but Karpov could not. Then Kasparov would have won the match in 1984.
|Dec-09-11|| ||HeMateMe: We don't know this. Karpov only had to get it up for one more great game. Just one game. GK himself said "My chances at the time of the Campomanes adjournament were only about 40%". Kaspy himself realized that one more Karpov win was still a real possibility.|
|Dec-09-11|| ||M.D. Wilson: AnalyseThis knows more about what Kasparov and Karpov were thinking than the players themslves.|
If anyone doesn't include Karpov in their top 5 list for the 20th Century, then they're kidding themslves.
He's the only player with the rightful claim of being No. 2. Only Kasparov edges him out.
|Dec-09-11|| ||IoftheHungarianTiger: Possibly ... Kaspy was gaining ground. But one bad slip and the match was over. Kasparov himself wrote that his chances of winning the match were only around 30% had the original match continued.
I believe Karpov could still play excellent chess at that point in the match, and Kasparov also suggested that his late victories in the match were not a result of Karpov's fatigue, but simply that he himself had played in excellent style.
I think Kasparov would have won a rematch in 1987, but I think had the match not been cancelled, Karpov would have kept his title in 1984. Of course, any opinion on the matter is just speculation, but those are some of my thoughts.|
|Dec-17-11|| ||indoknight: in my opinion ,the best ENDGAME TECHNIQUE player are: 1.Anatoli Karpov 2.Jose Raul Capablanca 3.Robert James Fischer 4.Garry Kasparov 5.Vladimir Kramnik|
|Dec-17-11|| ||JoergWalter: : <indoknight> where is Rubinstein? Smyslov? Korchnoi?|
|Dec-17-11|| ||King Death: < swissfed: Karpov: Botvinnik thought an uneducated player couldn't become World Champion...>¨|
I'd say that there was one great player who proved him wrong.
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