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|Nov-09-15|| ||TheFocus: These posts by <Luceana> are distasteful and inappropriate.|
|Nov-10-15|| ||Sally Simpson: I don't know what you do for a living Luceana but I guessing it's not writing obituaries.|
ozmikey's post quoting Guy West is how it's done. Rumours, gossip, fabrication and personal feelings towards a personal sexual alignment are left out. If he was gay so what?
He does not seem to have led a boring life as you speculate. In fact he seems to have devoted most of it to chess. Rest in Peace mate.
And onto chess...
This bit from ozmikey:
"Peter also played an honest and dignified role during the Brilliancy Prize controversy at the 1992 Manila Olympiad."
These are the two games in question.
The two threads make interesting reading.
I Rogers vs G Milos, 1992
Kasparov vs P Nikolic, 1992
In typical; C.G. Kibitzing fashion they struggle in the Rogers thread to discover who played the other game but eventually get there.
In a nutshell the controversy was Kasparov and Rogers were on the committee to judge best game. Rogers stepped down because his game was submitted. Kasparov stayed (even though he had submitted 3 games) and apparently bullied the rest of the committee into picking his game.
(Kasparov's is better from purists point of view. It is the better played game by both sides. The Rogers game has an imaginative wrap up.)
|Nov-10-15|| ||ozmikey: Ohhh dear. Nothing like a bit of Ted Heath-style rumour-mongering about someone who's dead and therefore unable to defend themselves, eh?|
A few comments, from someone here who knew Peter quite well over the years (and was well aware of his faults, incidentally):
1. There have been plenty of such rumours over the years about several people who've been involved in Australian chess. Never, ever did I hear Peter's name mentioned in that regard. For another thing, he (unlike many of his generation) was never involved in coaching the game to kids, which would have been a pretty obvious avenue for anyone that way inclined.
2. As far as I know Peter was gay, but, as most people must surely be aware by now, there is no correlation between homosexuality and pedophilia.
3. The concern about young players taking part in the tournaments at his shop was utterly different. As far as I know, I was actually the first person to bring it up (when on the NSWCA council in the nineties), so I know whereof I speak here. The reason why the NSW Junior League (which I was representing on the council at the time) was opposed to having various official tournaments held at Peter's shop was that Surry Hills at the time was a dangerous area at night-time, with plenty of derelicts and muggers around after dark. Peter's shop was a good ten minutes' walk from Central Station, on a side street, and we were worried about the safety of kids playing in events there.
Luceana, feel free to criticise him on substantive matters, but your slurs above are frankly contemptible.
|Nov-10-15|| ||moronovich: <Luceana: Rookiepawn - Now aren't you being just a bit too politically correct? If I had to make a guess, you a probably a left wing liberal, Obama supporter, and probably voted for gay marriage.
It is people like you that have ruined society, and destroyed western culture. If you tried your nonsense in any middle eastern country, or even Russia, you wouldn't get very far.>|
Poor fella who sees the world like this.
|Nov-10-15|| ||Luceana: ozmikey: Thank you for your post, as you make some good points, and verified some information. |
My main critique was not the gay factor, or the kids hanging around, even though porno videos were possibly within reach of the kids.
The fact that Peter seemed to be meddling, and insert himself into issues that did not involve him, was more of a concern. Often times he jumped the gun, and involved himself into other people's business, when he knew nothing about it.
Some of the other posts here are just ignorant, from people who didn't even know him.
Let me know if this is correct, since you knew him, and seem to have a good grasp on the situation.
|Nov-10-15|| ||MissScarlett: <Spot an error? Please suggest your correction and help us eliminate database mistakes!>|
|Nov-10-15|| ||zanzibar: http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/...|
|Nov-10-15|| ||MissScarlett: So the only known picture of Parr shows him holding hands with another geezer? Ehhh, nice!|
|Nov-10-15|| ||ozmikey: <Luceana> He loved to gossip, no doubt about that, but this is a pretty common vice!|
As to meddling, the difference between that and benign intervention is often in the eye of the beholder. In many cases, I actually think it was a case of him taking responsibility for things when others couldn't be bothered.
When he became NSWCA President, for instance, there were several potential conflicts of interest, some of which became contentious issues on the council. But, if I remember rightly, no-one else put their hand up for the job at the time.
|Nov-10-15|| ||Luceana: <ozmikey> That makes sense, and thanks for pointing all of that out. |
On the positive side of things, Peter was probably helpful to the chess careers of people like Alex Wohl, and Ian Rogers.
|Nov-12-15|| ||zanzibar: <MissScarlett: So the only known picture of Parr shows him holding hands with another geezer? Ehhh, nice!>|
Yes, a bit unsavory wasn't it, Parr shaking hands with his <Excellency the Honourable Gordon Samuels AC Governor of New South Wales> while accepting his medal.
Not to worry though, Parr thoroughly washed his hands after.
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For the record, there's a nice set of photos of him here:
(Copy and paste link above if needed - <CG> glitch corrupts url)
(It's page 5 of a long thread - many posts offer insights into the man and his contributions)
And a photo of attendees at his service:
And this link points to a three-part interview of him:
|Nov-16-15|| ||Rookiepawn: <Luceana
It is people like you that have ruined society, and destroyed western culture. If you tried your nonsense in any middle eastern country, or even Russia>
So you are saying that the role models for "western culture" are... "eastern countries".
I know, it is really hard for you since you need your brain for it, but try to make some sense.
<...or the kids hanging around, even though porno videos were possibly within reach of the kids.>
This is the problem with these kooks. They are so full of morbid fantasies they need to invent images like that.
Surely, THESE persons are the gossiping, destructive, perverted and coward. What they relate to "gay people" is exactly what they are.
btw: Miss Scarlett, Luceana... Is it a new fascist-transvestite fashion?
|Nov-17-15|| ||Luceana: Rookiepawn - Your message is completely incoherent, rambling, and makes no sense at all. You say: "Is it a new fascist-transvestite fashion?"|
Nobody has any idea of what you are talking about, and you make no sense at all. Don't be drinking to much, while sending incoherent messages.
|Nov-17-15|| ||perfidious: <Nobody has any idea of what you are talking about, and you make no sense at all....>|
This is a fair description of your hopeless drivel.
<....Don't be drinking to much, while sending incoherent messages.>
Is that 'to much', 'two much' or 'too much'? Do tell, professore.
|Nov-17-15|| ||Luceana: perfidious - Where did you learn how to spell??
As your big point is that an "o' was left out of the word "too". However, you then turn around, and show what a total hypocrite, and moron you are, but completely butchering a word, by spelling it as "professore".
Good job perfidious!
You are so funny, and pathetic!
|Nov-17-15|| ||perfidious: Professore is Italian for 'professor'.
Back to school, big man.
|Nov-17-15|| ||Luceana: perfidious - Alan, nobody is asking for your comment here, as you are admittedly ignorant about this, and already made a fool of yourself. |
However, here is something you are an expert at: You know how too much poker can ruin a persons life, giving them a boorish and disgusting personality. You sit there for hours, breathing in all of that smoke, lying to people, bluffing people, and trying to cheat them out of their money. Your have a negative benefit to society, and do nobody any good at all.
The problem then is when you're away from the tables, you still carry around the same disgusting personality traits. You're still trying to lie to people, bluff people, and to waste peoples time.
Breathing all of that smoke, and sitting around for hours, is creating all kinds of bad energy, and doing massive amounts of damage to your brain.
Don't you think you'd be better off with an honest job, and to stop trying to scam people, as a lying dishonest poker player?
|Nov-17-15|| ||perfidious: Yawn.
How would you define 'honest'? By such disingenuousness as you have demonstrated here?
|Nov-18-15|| ||Rookiepawn: <perfidious: Yawn.
How would you define 'honest'? By such disingenuousness as you have demonstrated here?>
Forget about it. Had you been a taxi driver, that would be a dishonest activity too. If you were a dentist, then all that time seeing teeth would turn you into a psychopath, and so on. That's all he can do.
<Nobody has any idea of what you are talking about, and you make no sense at all.>
This is how you spot an empty brain: lack of wit drives him to repeat your point: you say he doesn't make sense, Empty Brain replies exactly the same.
<perfidious> is right: Yawn.
|Nov-18-15|| ||Luceana: perfidious- I would define making an "honest living" as doing something that has a net positive value to someone, or to society. Sitting around a poker table for hours at a time, bluffing people, giving false body signal clues, does nothing to benefit society, and helps nobody. The whole thing should be banned. The other problem, it that people who play a lot, still use deceptive tactics in real life, once they are away from the tables.|
|Nov-18-15|| ||Luceana: <Rookiepawn> Hey you're back with more incoherent statements. I thought I told you to stay away from the keyboard, when you're drinking. |
You still haven't even explained your previous incoherent statement where you talk about transvestites.
Do you remember this beauty, that you told to Miss Scarlett? <Is it a new fascist-transvestite fashion?>
In the meantime, slow down on the booze, or whatever else you're doing.
|Nov-18-15|| ||zanzibar: < Luceana: perfidious- I would define making an "honest living" as doing something that has a net positive value to someone, or to society. Sitting around a poker table for hours at a time, bluffing people, giving false body signal clues, does nothing to benefit society, and helps nobody. The whole thing should be banned. The other problem, it that people who play a lot, still use deceptive tactics in real life, once they are away from the tables.>|
You do realize you're on a chess site, where...
- people sit around a table for hours at a time
- doing nothing to benefit society
- and helping nobody.
There's bluffs and swindles in chess too, just ask Frank Marshall.
And I could swear, given the timbre of certain posters on this site, that they've incorporated certain tactics and strategies from chess into their very fiber (which may or may not be a good thing (c), depending).
|Nov-18-15|| ||Luceana: <zanibar> Those are good points, but there is a big difference between chess and poker. |
Although I don't consider chess very high up on the scale of things to do, and Bobby Fischer proved that if you play too much chess, then you may go crazy. Similarly, chess has no net benefit to society, but may have a minor entertainment value.
I consider poker a worse game than chess, because it is mostly based on deception, and is a zero sum game, where the main interest is to take money away from your opponents. People can lose a lot of money in poker, whereas in chess they are mainly losing their time.
At least in chess, you are trying to create some beautiful attacks, nice puzzles, and pretty positions. Money should never be the main goal in chess.
Although bluffing, and money aspect are a very small part of chess, it is nothing like poker, where that's the main thing.
|Nov-18-15|| ||Rookiepawn: <Although bluffing, and money aspect are a very small part of chess, it is nothing like poker, where that's the main thing.>|
This is most interesting: we could create a "moral ranking" of games based on how much bluffing, or body language, or smoke, or whichever kooky category stupidity can invent.
|Nov-06-16|| ||optimal play: Peter Parr finished in a three-way tie for 17th in the 1969 Australian Championship.|
This win is from round 2...
[Event "Australian Championship"]
[White "Parr, Peter"]
[Black "Teters, Arthur Gustav"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. cxd5 Nxd5 5. e4 Nxc3 6. bxc3 c5 7. Bc4 Bg7 8. Ne2 cxd4 9. cxd4 Nc6 10. Be3 Qa5+ 11. Bd2 Qa3 12. O-O O-O 13. Rb1 Qd6 14. e5 Qd7 15. Be3 b6 16. f4 Bb7 17. f5 Na5 18. Bxf7+ Rxf7 19. e6 Qc6 20. exf7+ Kh8 21. d5 Qxd5 22. Qxd5 Bxd5 23. fxg6 Bxa2 24. Rb4 Bc4 25. Rf4 Bxe2 26. Rh4 h6 27. Rxh6+ Bxh6 28. Bxh6 1-0
click for larger view
1st Walter Shawn Browne (13/15) [+11/=04/-00]
=2nd Douglas Gibson Hamilton (11/15) [+09/=04/-02]
=2nd Alfred Flatow (11/15) [+08/=06/-01]
4th Paul Dozsa (10/15) [+06/=08/-01]
=5th Otto Weber (8½/15) [+06/=05/-04]
=5th Karlis Alexander Ozols (8½/15) [+05/=07/-03]
=7th Emanuel Adolph Basta (8/15) [+06/=04/-05]
=7th Willem Johannes Geus (8/15) [+05/=06/-04]
=7th Peter Johnson (8/15) [+04/=08/-03]
=10th Gerd Niess (7½/15) [+06/=03/-06]
=10th John Spencer Purdy (7½/15) [+05/=05/-05]
=10th Michael V Woodhams (7½/15) [+05/=05/-05]
=13th Arthur Gustav Teters (7/15) [+05/=04/-06]
=13th Haydn J Barber (7/15) [+05/=04/-06]
=13th Noel Gregory Craske (7/15) [+05/=04/-06]
=13th John Nugent Hanks (7/15) [+04/=06/-05]
=17th Lloyd Stanley Fell (6½/15) [+06/=01/-08]
=17th Olgerts Bergmanis (6½/15) [+05/=03/-07]
=17th Peter Parr (6½/15) [+05/=03/-07]
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