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|May-10-15|| ||TheFocus: <Youth has triumphed> - (upon defeating 86-year-old Dirk van Foreest) - 84-year-old Jacques Mieses.|
|May-17-15|| ||MissScarlett: <offramp: Great Britain's first grandmaster, along with Anthony Miles and Keith Bevan Richardson.>|
How about Comins Mansfield?
|Jun-10-15|| ||mulde: I'm in doubt if it wasn't Dick van Foreest but Arnold van Foreest (1863-1956) in this famous anecdote. It seem to be happened in Stockholm 1948, and both competitors were able to play on an outstanding level.|
|Aug-12-15|| ||zanzibar: San Sebastian (1911) (kibitz #5)|
For a historical note about his role in San Sebastian (1911).
|Sep-05-15|| ||wrap99: Was Mieses the last living person to have played Steinitz? It seems possible that someone could have survived later than the 1950s.|
|Sep-05-15|| ||Howard: Possible? Certainly---but what is the likelihood ?
Nevertheless, you pose an interesting question. Was Mieses the last person to die, who had played Steinitz? Probably so!
|Sep-05-15|| ||MissScarlett: <Possible? Certainly---but what is the likelihood ?>|
More than likely, I would say. Steinitz regularly gave simuls so it wouldn't be surprising if he played someone under the age of, say, 30 who lived another sixty or so years.
|Sep-06-15|| ||wrap99: <MissScarlett>,<Howard> The simul thing sounds both likely and yet probably lost. Some 90 year old in 1970 might have said something to a grandkid and this may have gone unrecorded. As remote as Steinitz seems now, I met many people whose lives overlapped with his; now the very last of such people are on their way out. I can't seem to get information about living children of world champs. Steinitz we know definitely no kids. Lasker did not have any; but both Alekhine and Capablanca had and may still have living offspring. But I don't know for sure.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||MissScarlett: It would be nice to have a single resource here that collates as much family information about the world champions as possible. With a little collective help, it shouldn't be that onerous. However, the great majority of regular posters are content to spend their time posting absolute drivel and utter piffle.|
Regarding Capablanca, his son, Jose Raul Jnr died in 1984, and daughter Gloria in 2007.
|Sep-06-15|| ||wrap99: <MissScarlett>You may know the unusual story of Capablanca's widow sharing an apartment under hostile circumstances with Hamilton Fish, a centenarian from an old political family. I believe the widow made it to her nineties and Yasser S. met with her in the 1990s as I recall. I did not know Capablanca had a daughter. Alekhine's son also made it past the year 2000 and may be with us still.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: Was it Capablanca who offered someone queen odds in some early 20th century Parisian coffee place, and when they said "You don't even know me" he said "If you could beat me I would know you"? Something like that anyway, I've read the story before but can't remember the player.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||wrap99: <MarkFinan> That story does not ring true. Not the queen odds part because say an A player could comfortably beat a world champ at queen odds -- even in those days there were enough such players that Capablanca could not know them all, especially with photography being less prevalent then.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: I know the story itself is true I just can't remember the player. It's probably one of the other early 20th century greats, and I can't see say... FSR or AJ Goldsby beating Carlsen even if he didn't have a queen, these players can play higher than 2200 blindfold!|
|Sep-06-15|| ||wrap99: I think a GM discussed what a queen was worth an it is much more than just playing blindfold. Queen is just huge odds.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: I don't know what your strength is, but do you think you could beat Magnus Carlsen if he gave you Queen odds? C'mon man, he'd crush you/me/anyone here like a Boa Constructer. Slow and agonising.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||plang: Queen odds?!?
I think many/most people here could beat Carlsen with Queen odds.
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: Well I don't know your strength. I'll ask Fred, he's 2200+ and he'll give a definitive answer. I can't see anyone here beating one of the greatest chess players of all time, even if he gave queen odds.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||FSR: <Larry Kaufman has written that Kasparov could give pawn and move odds to a low grandmaster (2500 FIDE rating) and be slightly favored, and would have even chances at knight odds against a player with a FIDE rating of 2115.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess...|
I like to think that I would beat Carlsen pretty easily at knight odds, but maybe I'm wrong. But at queen odds he would have no chance.
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: Fair enough, I'll take your word for it. I don't think I'd beat him with Queen odds but then again I aren't your strength.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||MarkFinan: You would <never> beat Magnus Carlsen with Knight odds. Never.|
|Sep-06-15|| ||MissScarlett: < absolute drivel and utter piffle>|
I forgot about complete balderdash.
|Sep-06-15|| ||MissScarlett: I tried a couple of times to play a test game against Rybka 4, using Position Setup to remove the opposing Queen, but the damn thing kept resigning after 4-5 moves.|
|Sep-07-15|| ||wrap99: One thing: I would have never guessed that anyone could give me 5:1 time odds but I found out that many people could do so; I have literally never beaten a GM at 5:1. In fact, even masters (I was briefly an expert) do pretty well at those odds. So had Kaufman not written about material odds, I might accept that a world champ could beat a submaster at even queen odds. But it looks like not. Since we are discussing odds, while I did bad at 5:1, I think 5 mins to 30 seconds is simply too little time for even a GM against an A player -- I certainly could be a master at those odds when I was a B player.|
|Feb-23-16|| ||TheFocus: Rest in peace, Jacques Mieses.|
|Feb-27-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Jacques Mieses.
Birth and death dates were so close.
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