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|Apr-13-12|| ||newzild: Okay, rather than just complain about another poor bio, I will submit my own effort for this guy:|
"Adolf Georg Olland was a Utrecht-born doctor and chess master, considered one of the strongest Dutch players of his time.
"He was a noted match player, beating most of his important Dutch contemporaries except Euwe. In tournaments, he won at Amsterdam 1889 (shared), Arnheim 1895 (shared), Haarlem 1901 and Leiden 1909 (shared).
"He died of a heart attack at the Hague while playing in the 1933 Dutch championship."
|Apr-13-12|| ||waustad: WC Fields?|
|Sep-16-12|| ||Kinan: How come his win against Ewue in 1920 isn't a notable game of his?|
|Sep-16-12|| ||Phony Benoni: <Kinan> Which one? We have three:|
Olland vs Euwe, 1920
Olland vs Euwe, 1920
Olland vs Euwe, 1920
At any rate, "Notable Games" are just a reflection of how often a game appears in members' games collections. These are assembled for various reasons, not necessarily quality.
|Sep-16-12|| ||Kinan: Wow, this guy was a nightmare for Euwe it seems.|
|Sep-17-12|| ||thomastonk: <Kinan> Chessgames holds currently 25 games between Olland and Euwe, and Euwe won 14 and lost 6.|
Olland was considered to be the best chess player in the Netherlands 1919/20 followed by Abraham Speijer. This information is taken from a report of the national championship held in December 1919, where both didn't play. Max Marchand won the championship ahead of Euwe.
At the beginning of 1920, a match between Olland and Richard Reti was played, which Réti won "only" 6:4 (+5,-3,=2).
From the 25 games here, 23 were played in 1920-22 with +12, -6, =5 in Euwe's favour, showing his rise in those years.
|Dec-03-15|| ||ljfyffe: Olland had 5.5 points at the 1932-33 IFSB, having finished 7 of the 12 games.|
|Jan-18-18|| ||zanzibar: <<thomastonk> At the beginning of 1920, a match between Olland and Richard Reti was played, which Réti won "only" 6:4 (+5,-3,=2).>|
A source for this would be nice.
<CG> seems to only have 8 of the match games.
|Jan-19-18|| ||Retireborn: <z> Chessbase Big 2002 does have all 10 of the Olland-Reti match games, as well as three games (present on here) of a Reti-G.Filep match also played in Utrecht, presumably around the same time.|
Unfortunately no details about dates or round numbers.
|Jan-19-18|| ||zanzibar: <RB> right, likely those games found there way here.|
It's another Delpher project - I came across a lot of those games during my Reti--Euwe (1920) research.
But <thomastonk> is a historian, and given the importance of the final result, I expected to see a ref...
|Jan-19-18|| ||zanzibar: I can't help but note the resemblance, between Olland and Wimpy (from Popeye). Just add a little bowler hat:|
|Jan-19-18|| ||Retireborn: <z> Looks as if <Thomas> hasn't posted on here for 2 years now.|
|Jan-19-18|| ||WorstPlayerEver: http://oudzuylenutrecht.nl/olland-e...|
|Feb-18-18|| ||Telemus: <zanzibar/Retireborn> It takes two minutes to find a reference for the final result of the Reti/Olland match, even if you don't have Kalendovský's biography: https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=...|
There are dozens of reports on that match in the Dutch newspapers, and putting together round numbers and dates should be a finger exercise.
The match Reti/Filep, which was played thereafter in Utrecht too (May/June), can be treated similarly.
|Feb-18-18|| ||zanzibar: <<Telemus> <zanzibar/Retireborn> It takes two minutes to find a reference for the final result of the Reti/Olland match ... >|
Agreed, but my comment was directed at <thomastonk>'s lack of providing it.
It's a curious oversight.
|Feb-18-18|| ||Telemus: <zanzibar> Stupid Telemus took your <A source for this would be nice.> too literally. Sorry, my fault!|
BTW, you call this guy a <historian>. Is this approved? There are not so many historians in chess history. Only the name Harding comes to my mind (and that doesn't protect him from making mistakes).
|Feb-19-18|| ||zanzibar: <<Telemus> BTW, you call this guy a <historian>.>|
Yes, that is a statement of fact. I don't toss the appellation off that casually, though I'd say I'm more liberal than some in applying it.
I'm actually thinking of actually doing a blog post about the subject of what a chess historian is - maybe someday in the future. I'd like, at the very least, to document some of my techniques and general methods in the hopes that others consider their adoption.
<Is this approved?>
Not sure whose approval decides (sorry <Focus> - it's not you!). There's no issuing authority afaik.
But if you had followed <CG> when <thomastonk> was active, I'd suspect you'd be inclined to agree with me.
There are many others who would qualify as well. Many of whom, unlike me, have a narrower focus on the historical aspects.
Let me list a few who aren't so active these days, but whose posts still reflect their good work in various aspects of chess history:
User: Honza Cervenka
(sorry for any/all omissions)
I could post more about the Age of Titans (those who got <CG> tournaments going), or the present-day historians, both those who have earned the "approved" appellation via "Best Historian" Caissar, or those who didn't but should have.
<There are not so many historians in chess history. Only the name Harding comes to my mind (and that doesn't protect him from making mistakes).>
I agree with everything after "the name Harding". But "only"!?
Here's a list of names off the top of my head - Edward Winter, Tony Gillam, H.J.R. Murray, J.N. Pope, P.W. Sergeant, H. Kmoch, and all the McFarland series author's, all qualified chess historians in one way or another, imo.
Not to mention David Hoop and Kenneth Whyld, Harry Golombek, or even Anne Sannucks [Anne Mothersill].
|Feb-20-18|| ||TheFocus: As other good historians, I would add John Hilbert, John Donaldson, Nikolai Brunni, Vlastimil Fiala, Dale Brandreth, Ivan Bottlik, Jan Kalendovsky, and Jimmy Adams.|
|Feb-20-18|| ||Telemus: <zanzibar> Because we left the topic of this page, I moved to my forum.|
|Mar-30-18|| ||wwall: I did an article on chess historians awhile back. Looks like I need to update it.|
|Jun-29-19|| ||mulde: As an early example for an historian / chessmaster, Mr. Henry Thomas Buckle comes into my mind:
|Jun-30-19|| ||MissScarlett: There's a strong resemblance to <Winston Wolf>: https://cached.imagescaler.hbpl.co....|
Did Olland solve problems, too?
|Jun-30-19|| ||Retireborn: <MissS> Depressing that Keitel's still playing that character in TV ads, 25 years after Pulp Fiction.|
|Jun-30-19|| ||MissScarlett: <Robert DeNiro divided fans as he became the face of Warburtons, promoting bread and bagels in a gangster-filled advert. And Piers Morgan didn’t quite slice his words about the clip, taking a second to express his disappointment in the Meet The Parents star.|
Guess he’s well and truly out of the circle of trust…
During a segment on Good Morning Britain, the 54-year-old fumed: ‘If you watch DeNiro in any of the great films he’s been in over the years, Raging Bull, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas… And now he’s in a Warburtons bread ad…’
‘I don’t know how much dough rolled in for you, Bobby, but seriously… Really?
‘One of the greatest actors of my lifetime is reduced to making bread commercials in a spoof?’
Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/14/pier...>
|Jun-30-19|| ||Retireborn: <MissS> Yes, I read about that. Al Pacino has done TV ads for Sky, I think, and Kevin Bacon and George Clooney have done several ads.|
US stars are more relaxed about doing ads, it seems.
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