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|Apr-21-09|| ||Jim Bartle: Sorry, but which game are you referring to, SirChrislov?|
|Apr-21-09|| ||Sicilian Dragon: <JB, my buddy>
This is the brilliant masterpiece!!!
Estrin vs Berliner, 1965
|Sep-30-09|| ||GrahamClayton: What do chessgames members think of Berliner's value of the pieces in "My System", eg|
Pawn = 1
Knight = 3.2
Bishop = 3.3
Rook = 5.1
Queen = 8.8
The values are also affected by positional factors as well.
|Sep-30-09|| ||AnalyzeThis: I think these numbers are affected somewhat by your choice of opening. For Berliner's openings, they were probably right on the money.|
|Sep-30-09|| ||DrCurmudgeon: Bah, humbug! All that stuff means is that if you win the queen but have to give up a rook, 2/3 of a bishop and 1/2 of a knight, you'd better have some other compensation up your sleeve or else file for Chapter 11.|
|Sep-30-09|| ||sisyphus: It's much like the numbers Larry Kaufman determined and published in Chess Life some years ago. From memory: P=1, N=3.25, B=3.25, R=5, Q=9.5. In addition, he gave an extra half-pawn for having a bishop pair. |
It's useful for evaluating certain exchanges, such as (1) two pieces are better than a rook and a pawn, and (2) sacrificing a rook for a piece and a pawn gives up less in material than some people think, and can be more easily justified by other compensation.
|Jul-15-10|| ||GrahamClayton: Here is a great interview with Berliner undertaken by the Computer History Museum:|
|Sep-12-10|| ||GamerMan: I beleive kaufman's is 9.75 for the queen, also -1/8 to the rook for each pawn over 5 (and +1/8 for each pawn under 5) and +1/16 to the knight for each pawn over 5.|
I think more interesting is his valuing the pawns based on their locations, does anyone have that list to post up here?
|Sep-12-10|| ||whiteshark: <GamerMan> http://home.comcast.net/~danheisman...
or here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_...|
|Sep-13-10|| ||GamerMan: i actually meant hans berliner's complete pawn worth valuation|
|Sep-13-10|| ||whiteshark: <GamerMan> Wiki's <Chess piece relative value> gives you the quintessence of Berliner's pawn evaluations as published in <The System>*, p16-20.|
You'll find the same content, but probably better arranged here: http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki...
*(Berliner, Hans (1999), The System: A World Champion's Approach to Chess, Gambit Publications, ISBN 1-901983-10-2) - Worth reading, anyway
|Sep-13-10|| ||whiteshark: <Oral History of Hans Berliner> http://archive.computerhistory.org/...|
|Feb-06-11|| ||theagenbiteofinwit: I was rereading the Silman review of Berliner's System and had a chuckle at this gem:|
<My angst towards postal chess began when I read that many postal aficionados honestly felt that a postal World Champion would beat an over-the-board World Champion in a postal game. The postal caste never seemed to realize that their understanding of chess as a whole was so far below any over-the-board World Champion's as to make the argument virtually laughable. >
If Berliner could draw against a future World Champion OTB, what is so ridiculous about saying that he could beat a OTB champ in a CC match?
|May-14-11|| ||parisattack: <Sneaky: The System is one of the most brilliant chess books of the modern era. I'll match "The System" up against "My System" any day. That's a strong statement, I know.>|
'Ich bin ein Berliner.' The System has taken a very bad rap, undeservedly because of its tone, perhaps. But it is an excellent chess tome.
|Sep-18-11|| ||Cemoblanca: I am currently reading "The System: A World Champion's Approach to Chess" by Hans Berliner. I really liked the part "I am not Alone" at the beginning and I wanted to share it with you. Enjoy! :0)|
<Over 60 years ago Alekhine appreciated something that is still not common knowledge today.
After the moves:
1 d4 d5
2 c4 c6
"In my opinion this move gives White more chances of obtaining an opening advantage..."
"It is almost incredible that this quite natural move has not been considered by the so-called theoreticians. White obtains now an appreciable advantage in development, no matter what Black replies."
Alexander Alekhine, 1937>
P.S. HB looks a bit like Christopher "Dracula" Lee ;0) >>> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2235602...
|Jan-27-12|| ||Penguincw: Happy Birthday (yesterday)!|
|Jan-27-12|| ||Marmot PFL: <After the moves:
1 d4 d5
2 c4 c6
"In my opinion this move gives White more chances of obtaining an opening advantage...">
Many play 3 Nf3 to avoid the complications of 3 Nc3 e5 4 de d4, even if it isn't quite sound.
|Jan-27-12|| ||King Death: <Marmot PFL> Most players were using 3.Nf3 before that gambit became popular as the result of this game: Karpov vs Bareev, 1992.|
|Jan-27-12|| ||waustad: I confess that for today's B'day I'd be hard pressed not to pick Captain Evans. Happy B'day to Hans Berliner too, but buckle my swashes matey!|
|Jan-30-12|| ||Hesam7: <Poisonpawns: Berliner crushes 12..Qa3 in Grunfeld in response to critics http://www.fortunecity.de/olympia/m>...|
Berliner's analysis did not stand the test of time. In fact Black' main line (10. Rc1 cxd4 11. cxd4 Qa5+ 12. Kf1 Qa3 13. Rc3 Qd6 14. h4 h5 15. f3 Rd8 16. Bd5 <e5!>) is missing from his analysis.
|Aug-26-13|| ||whiteshark: Quote of the Day
<" Castle if you must, or if you want to, but not because you can! ">
-- Hans Berliner
|Aug-26-13|| ||JoergWalter: <whiteshark> to my knowledge this quote is attributed to Pillsbury. don't have the source right now.|
|Aug-26-13|| ||Karpova: W.E. Napier's 'Paul Morphy and The Golden Age of Chess' (New York, 1957 and 1971), page 18: <Once I asked Pillsbury whether he used any formula for castling. He said his rule was absolute and vital: castle because you will or because you must; but not because you can.>|
|Jul-24-15|| ||zanzibar: Researching Yankton (1957) finds this bio snippet:
<Hans J. Berliner, 28-year old Naval Research Laboratory engineering psychologist, won the Labor Day Champion of Champions Chess Tournament at Yankton, S.D.
The District's chess master took the trophy after winning a tie-breaking game with Curt Brasket of Minneapolis. Both men had scored 5 1/2 points in earlier games.>
Washington Post and Times Herald, 1957-09-04, pg B8
|Jan-27-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, CC World Champion Hans Berliner.|
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