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|Sep-02-06|| ||FrenchFrog: <Attacking an old, sick man> I was attacking Alekhine, a Frenchman who was a traitor during the war...I agree that the young Pomar was only a puppet for the mass murderers of Madrid.|
|Sep-02-06|| ||Justinpatzer: I accessed this page after reading the chess column in El Pais yesterday, which is about Pomar (it was his 75th birthday) and begins:|
"Niño prodigio maltrado por el franquismo....."
My rather undeveloped Spanish translates this as "child prodigy ill-treated by Francoism". Would anybody know what, specifically, Leontxo García means? Just the general business of putting a prodigy on show, or was there more to it than that?
|Sep-02-06|| ||FrenchFrog: <"Niño prodigio maltrado por el franquismo....." > Alekhine was paid by Franco's regime to be the personal trainer of the wunderkind. He was a friend of the Nazis, and world champion. For Pomar, he wrote the book published after his death as 107 Great Chess Battles: 1939-1945.|
|Sep-02-06|| ||FrenchFrog: In 1944 Alekhine wrote Curso a Arturo Pomar, published in Madrid.|
|Sep-03-06|| ||Justinpatzer: Er, yes, I knew that. But it didn't seem to me to constitute "maltrado".|
|Sep-03-06|| ||FrenchFrog: <But it didn't seem to me to constitute "maltrado".> I agree. But in Spain nowadays, they don't know how to speak about the Franco's years. Well, he was "maltrado" at fourteen. Günter Grass was 17 when he was "maltratado" in the SS ! It's so easy to be a victim...|
|Sep-03-06|| ||euripides: I fail to see how having Alekhine as a trainer equates with being in the SS. Were all Botvinnik's pupils responsible for the Gulag ?|
|Sep-04-06|| ||Justinpatzer: It doesn't seem to occur to FrenchFrog that I'm actually asking for information here. I already know what I've already been told: but is there anything more to it than that? To what was García specifically referring, if anything?|
|Sep-04-06|| ||FrenchFrog: <I fail to see how having Alekhine as a trainer equates with being in the SS> Totalitarian regimes love to use youngsters. Pomar was a symbol for the spanish fascists, like any champion in Italy or Germany during this era, or in USSR or GDR later. The swimmers of East Germany were maltrados...
And Alekhine was also a perfect trainer : I daresay he was himself a Nazi, and a great champion. Great friend for a boy who was the pride of what they called la raza española. He was maltratado because he was used by the regime. That's what Leontxo Garcia means. Be sure that he was not tortured. In the same way, young people in the SS are said to be victims of the Nazis. That's an awkward issue in country like Spain or Germany...|
|Sep-04-06|| ||FrenchFrog: <Were all Botvinnik's pupils responsible for the Gulag ?> No they were victims, but it 's unclear...Some of them became heroes for the Soviet Union, like Karpov...Think of the poor young boys of the Hitler Jugend. Was Hitler's Youth quite innocent ? That's a question you can spend the lives of many historians to deal with|
|Sep-01-07|| ||Belezky: Well, I heard that Pomar worked for a very long time in a post office receiving a small salary. But as a chess player he couldn't survive in Franco's Spain. So, compared to the chess players from the USSR he lacked that support.
Also, speaking about Alekhine. Calling him traitor is nonsense. The man who battled in two World Wars. Who joined the French army on his own (he wasn't obliged to go). No... He wasn't a traitor.|
|Oct-01-08|| ||whiteshark: So what is the case in point now?|
|Oct-14-08|| ||Karpova: C.N. 5801
Picture of Arturo Pomar with Francisco Franco from page 50 of the 6/2002 issue of "Peón de Rey". It's director, Amador Rodríguez comments:
<‘We know for sure that Franco officially met Pomar twice, in 1944 and in 1946. From the picture, we estimate that it was most likely taken in 1946, when Pomar was 15 years old.’>
|Apr-10-09|| ||Dredge Rivers: Why didn't he become a much better player than he did? After all, he was quite the child progeny! :)|
|Apr-22-10|| ||Caissanist: At first I thought Pomar didn't develop further simply because he was isolated in Spain. But Pomar's results in Chessmetrics and Wikipedia show a different career path. By his mid teens he is already among the world's 100 best, and seems to be improving rapidly up through his victory in the 1946 Spanish championship. Most top players of course see great improvement from the ages of 16-26. But during that time not only does Pomar not get better, he goes backward, with several disastrous international results and only one Spanish championship. It is not until about 1957 that he starts improving again. |
The problem wasn't lack of competition at home, since Pomar wasn't even the best player in Spain during that time. Either he lost interest (unlikely, since he kept playing) or there was some kind of problem--physical, emotional, or economic--that kept him from playing his best. Whatever it was, my guess is that that was what the "maltratado por el Franquismo" line was referring to.
|Jun-25-10|| ||mrbiggs: Fun fact: Arturo Pomar is the only living player with a known Morphy Number of 3 or less.|
(Where Morphy had number 0, people who played him had #1, those who played them had #2, and so on).
More on this: http://www.chesscafe.com/text/skitt...
|Jun-25-10|| ||roberts partner: You are wrong. See the Wikipedia article on Morphy numbers.|
|Jun-25-10|| ||mrbiggs: <roberts partner> whoops, good call. In my defense it's in a random area of the article--everyone listed under "Morphy #3" is living.|
BUT he's one of four and the youngest.
|Sep-01-10|| ||Macnamara: Leontxo means that Pomar wasn´t supported by Franco's regime. For example, he didn't received any financial aid when he travelled to Stockholm to play the interzonal tournament in 1962. He paid all expenses (travel, accomodation, food, etc.)from his own pocket. He was a mailman and had little earnings. He had to ask in his post office for a free month without receiving his wage in order to play that tournament! When the interzonal tornament finished, Bobby Fischer was quoted to say "Poor spanish mailman, now you'll have to put stamps on envelopes again".|
Pomar has been far away the best spanish chess player. His parents were said to be republican (opposite to Franco). Pomar wasn't indeed the kind of person that always says "yes, sir" to authorities, and this is probably the reason for such a mistreatment to a wunderkind like him. Moreover he always suffered from a cronic bad health. A real pity and a tragedy for spanish chess.
|Sep-01-10|| ||DarthStapler: The the 1st of September, eh?|
|Mar-04-11|| ||Penguincw: This player's name kind of reminds me of <Capablanca>.|
|Apr-15-11|| ||myschkin: . . .
"Personajes miticos de ayer y de hoy: Arturito Pomar"
|Aug-11-12|| ||Chessical: "Arturo Pomar did not have the support of the Chess Federation or the Higher Sports Council. He had to fit the tournaments in with his job as postal worker...."I spent all night analysing the games, whilst the other players supported by their Federations had teams of analysts who assisted them" |
FRom: "Personajes miticos de ayer y de hoy: Arturito Pomar"
|Oct-27-12|| ||GrahamClayton: Some footage of Pomar playing in London in 1946:
|May-25-15|| ||wrap99: I marvel that a man who had such a close connection with Alekhine is still around. Alekhine was playing opponents who were born solidly in the middle of the 19th century -- that is approaching 200 years ago. Chess is a wonderful game in this respect.|
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