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|Jan-20-04|| ||Dick Brain: Vince Lombardi (as a 170-lb defensive lineman in college) wasn't a great player either. Talent for coaching and playing can be different. |
|Jan-20-04|| ||Benjamin Lau: I wasn't trying to say that great teachers had to be great players, I was just surprised. I wasn't expecting a massive ELO, but a 2200ish struck me as (relatively) low. I was expecting maybe a 2400. His book is great and I don't want to deprecate it just because of some lousy number. |
|Jan-20-04|| ||Calli: ChessGames: Should be "Sunil"
|Jan-20-04|| ||sleepkid: Actually, I don't think Pandolfini's rating is that high either. He's a relatively weak FIDE master from what I can recall. . . but he's still a famous chess coach.|
I've never been impressed with Silman either as a player or a coach, but he's got quite a reputation as a coach.
Jack Collins, who I believe coached Fischer when he was young, wasn't a particularly strong player either.
. . .just some more examples.
|Jan-20-04|| ||Lastdance: As far as I know, Pandolfini is a USCF master, not a FIDE master: http://www.64.com/uscf/ratings/1010... His fame extends from his appearance as a commentator in the 1972 WCH match and then as a chess writer, and then as the coach of Josh Waitzkin. The book and subsequent movie "Searching for Bobby Fischer" (UK title "Innocent Moves") gave a tremendous boost to Pandolfini's fame (and Josh Waitzkin's), much to the irritation of Bobby Fischer, who was not paid for the use of his name on the book and the movie. As far as Pandolfini's ability as a chess coach, I'll only say that his most famous student never became a GM (but did garner the IM title).|
Weeramantry's stepson (Hikaru Nakamura), on the other hand, became a GM at 15+~2months, breaking Fischer's record as the youngest American to become a GM. Nakamura is also putting in a decent showing at Wijk aan Zee in the B group, but doesn't get kibitzed about, because he's no longer a novelty at the ripe old age of 16.
The best coach in the world is probably Mark Dvoretsky, who has a book on the endgame, "Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual" that I'm currently reading. Even though Dvoretsky's an IM, his maximum elo was 2540, which indicates GM strength. It's my speculation that he didn't become a GM because of travel restrictions imposed by the former USSR, which limited his opportunities to obtain GM norms.
|Oct-13-04|| ||clocked: At least one member of the family will get to play at the Olympiad... |
|Jan-01-05|| ||MagneticResonanceMan: Regarding Pandolfini, there's no question that Weapons of Chess is one of the greatest books for a beginner to advanced beginner. I'll bet writing chess books is a separate talent from personal coaching, requiring a separate evaluation. |
|May-01-07|| ||fm avari viraf: It seems to me that I have played this guy during the Sri Lanka Invitational Chess Champiopship, Colombo in 1976 where I won the 2nd Runner-up Prize & 1st Prize when the Indian Team defeated Sri Lankan Team.|
|Aug-07-07|| ||Maynard5: Today, Sunil Weeramantry is known as the Executive Director of the National Scholastic chess foundation, and an FIDE Master. Hopefully, he won’t object to the following anecdote about him. |
Originally from Sri Lanka, he came to the United States for the first time in August 1971, where he entered into a tournament for young players in New York. It was a marathon nine-round event over three days, with over 400 participants, at the McAlpine Hotel in Midtown Manhattan. Sunil astonished the other players by winning his first six games outright, including victories over two masters. He also became known for his engaging personality, easygoing demeanor, and fine sense of sportsmanship. By the end of the second day, it seemed that he had befriended almost all the leading players.
Then, incredibly, disaster struck on the third day when he lost two games in rapid succession. Possibly, he was simply tired. Going into the final round, four players were leading with 6.5, and Sunil was tied with several experts, all of whom had accumulated 6 points out of eight. The leading players all drew each other, so that a score of 7 points would have enabled Sunil to share first prize. Instead, facing a local expert and in serious time pressure, Sunil was in a hopelessly lost position by move 41.
Then he came up with an incredible combination. He sacrificed a rook and a queen, thereby stalemating himself. There was an audible gasp from the spectators, which rapidly escalated into a roar. His opponent was so stunned that he nearly fell out of his chair. One of the spectators asked the tournament director to publish the final position in Chess Life. Later, Bill Goichberg analyzed the game along with the opponent, and described it as “Wild – they were attacking and counterattacking each other all over the place.” It was one of the most inspired drawing combinations ever played.
|Sep-13-07|| ||pazzed paun: Did anybody else read the chesslife aug 2007 article called "chess coach Sympososium"? |
several coaches were asked what an older player would need to do to become a strong player.
the coaches answers were hypothetheical at best , they seem to have no experence in seeing a mature player improve upto to the expert level.
Is it really hopeless for an over 25 y.o. to expect they can get a 2300+ rating?
|Sep-13-07|| ||RookFile: It's rare. I think it's just a question of motivation.|
|Sep-14-07|| ||pazzed paun: <Rookfile> Are you saying adult tournament players who do not improve their ratings are unmotivated??|
|Sep-14-07|| ||keypusher: < <Rookfile> Are you saying adult tournament players who do not improve their ratings are unmotivated??>|
No, some are stupid as well.
|Mar-19-08|| ||timhortons: these guy is the step dad of hikaru nakamura|
|May-23-08|| ||Breunor: I remember running into him in tournaments in the mid to late 70's. He used to get into insane time trouble, and then bliz off moves like crazy with very little time left. I know this happens to many players, but I thought he did it to an extreme.|
|May-24-08|| ||OBIT: I think getting into insane time trouble (say, two minutes to play your last twenty moves) was fashionable back then. Walter Browne was notorious for it. Jon Tisdall, who also had a bad habit of getting into time trouble, once said, "The time control could be a week for 40 moves, and I'd still get in time trouble."|
|May-24-08|| ||OBIT: On the subject of whether an older player can hope to achieve a 2300+ rating: |
It seems to me that, after you have played roughly 1000 games, you have gotten about as good as you are going to get. Yes, you may still be able to make small refinements to your play to add a few rating points here and there, but the days of quantum leaps are long gone.
About the only way I can see an older player suddenly appear at the 2300+ level is if he doesn't take up chess until very late. Players with that kind of aptitude for chess will almost certainly discover the game much sooner. I'd also imagine that, if they HAD started playing much sooner, they'd have been world class players - learning the game when you are young, while your brain is still getting "wired", has to make a big difference.
|Aug-03-08|| ||myschkin: . . .
<Reflections on Libya (FIDE World Championship)>
2004 Interview by Dr. Daaim Shabazz
(interesting also for the Hikaru Nakamura fans) :)
|Aug-03-08|| ||ToTheDeath: "Best Lessons of a Chess Coach" is very instructive and I'd recommend it to anybody.|
|Aug-11-08|| ||engmaster: Whilst undoubtably better to get to 2300 by 25 I do not think its impossible for a 40 year old to go from 1800 to 2300.
1) If you read many articles you will see premaster to Gm in about 5 to 7 years. Most adults are just not going to put in the time.|
2) I think de la maza proved you could get from 1600 to 2200 in about 2 years using the seven circles, so add to that exchange type openings that reduce the piece complexity & tension (Ruy Lopez exchange etc...and a good endgame. you should be able to get to 2200+
3)Advantage for the adult
-Can buy any chess software Chessbase 9 plus those repertoire books!
-You have money for GM instruction on ICC
4) The computer has levelled the playing field now you have the whole world & computers to practice against
Just my 2 cents
|Aug-11-08|| ||dx9293: <engmaster> Good points. Also, don't forget Convekta software...it is cheap and amazing. Everyone goes ga-ga over ChessBase products, but I'm not overly impressed with them.|
To add to your points about premaster to GM...Yury Shulman recently told me that while he was in college(!) in Belarus he improved from "about expert strength to 2550 level in three years." "Three years??" [Thinks about it]. "Hmm...I think like 2 years-plus." He did this by studying 12 hours a day, but it does suggest that such things are possible. He wasn't some 14-year-old GM or something.
The big issues in chess improvement are desire, time (to study and train and play), and money (to pay for it all). If you have those three things, a lot is possible. However, most adults do not have all three of those ingredients in sufficient quantity!
Give a motivated, hardworking adult a high-quality trainer (I'm not even saying Dvoretsky or someone of that ilk), give them 7 hours a day to train (the trainer will direct the student on what and how to train, of course), give them unlimited time to travel to play in tournaments, and give them unlimited funds to pay for it...I see no reason why they cannot become at least IM.
More and more I question the importance of "talent," whatever that is. Maybe a person does need something "extra" to reach the Top 100, and of even this I'm not totally convinced. But there are something like 4,300+ FMs and 2,500+ IMs according to Wikipedia...all of them are "talented?"
|Mar-01-09|| ||blacksburg: is this guy's book out of print? i've read many recommendations and i can't seem to find it available anywhere. :(|
|Mar-01-09|| ||whiteshark: <blacksburg> apparently not anywhere :D|
|Jan-30-11|| ||duchamp64: Congratulations Sunil to you and family on Hikaru's achievement at Tata Steel! Celebrate well. -- an old friend (Allan)|
|Jan-09-12|| ||wordfunph: "Filipinos might be so-so in the opening, but in the middle game, he is brilliant...probably even brilliant than Russians."|
- FM Sunil Weeramantry
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