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|Mar-24-04|| ||sierra: no, they are diff. their names are all 'jun' in English, but in Chinese there are diff. |
|Mar-24-04|| ||shr0pshire: In Xie Jun's book she explains why she has the name Jun. |
"At the time my father served in the army, which explains partly my parents' preference for the name Jun, which is best translated as 'soldier'. The name Jun is more often given to boys, but in my case it relates directly to the fact of the year of my birth was in the midst of a cultural revolution. During this turbulolent period in modern chinese history, it was common to minimize the differences between men and women, and this is also reflected in the games given to newborns."
--- Xie Jun
in her book Chess Champion from China
|Apr-05-04|| ||Benjamin Lau: Shropshire, wrong Jun. This is who you're looking for. Xie Jun. |
|Jun-22-04|| ||apple head: <731> No Xu Jun is rank no. 4/ch Xie is rank no. 8/ch ect. |
|Nov-04-04|| ||newTerror: <731>: I mean clones, are they clones?|
|Nov-04-04|| ||alexapple: "Jun" is a very popular name in China.
Many Chinese characters has a the same pronounciation. "Jun" correspond to 22 Chinese characters.
Xie Jun--"Jun"--means army.
Yuan Jun--"Jun"--means army.
Xu Jun--"Jun"-- means handsome.
Zhao Jun--"Jun"--means handsome.
A famouse Chinese chess journalist--Chen Jun--"Jun"--means gentelman.
|Nov-04-04|| ||alexapple: BTW,the famouse Chinese chess journalist--Chen Jun--is actually a lady.:) |
|May-28-05|| ||lentil: and by the way: Jun is their GIVEN name. Their family names are Xie, Yuan, Xu and Zhao.|
|Feb-11-06|| ||iamverywellatchess: This man's name is a curse in my United State!
Xu = please no
Jun = can you have this in a better way?
Put together is no good!
|Feb-12-06|| ||blingice: <iamverywellatchess> I have told you before: you can't try to be an etymologist before you can speak English properly. This man's name means nothing in the US.|
|Feb-12-06|| ||Eric Schiller: <blinqice>As a Ph.D. in linguistics who has done a lot of etymology, I have to disagree. In fact, the world's best etymologists often work with rare and exotic languages of which they have limited conversational skills. Tracing the history of words is an academic exercise requiring knowledge of the sound structure (phonology) and word structure (morphology) of the languages, but not fluency.
Etymology requires logic, common sense and problem-solving ability, so it appeals to chessplayers. But it is possible to do it very badly, as is seen frequently among etymologists with lax standards.|
|Feb-12-06|| ||midknightblue: This is a funny conversation. Incidentally, <iamverywellatchess> - I am glad to hear that you are not ill at chess.
If you saw some of my blitz games, you might think Iamveryillatchessindeed.|
|Feb-12-06|| ||blingice: <Eric Schiller> Because you definetely outrank me regarding Linguistics, I must concede to you your point. However, you MUST realize that <iamverywellatchess> is not a linguist OR an etymologist, only a know-it-all that knows nothing, depicted by his breakdown of the word "kibitz" into Russian, and the word "erudite" into Russian as well, where "erud"="rude" and "dite" meaning "many arms". Not only does he overlap in his breakdown, it is completely false. So, I agree with you on your points, but you cannot possibly side with him, either.|
<iamverywellatchess> Because with the underlining a "g" looks like a "q". You, on the other hand, warp it to SOMEHOW be a "k" rather than a "g", so I actually have something to ridicule you about.
|Feb-12-06|| ||Eric Schiller: <blingice> Point taken. I had only seen the discussion of the Chinese name. Such analyses are called "folk etymologies" where people see patterns that aren't related to the history of a word or name.|
Most names can be researched at ethnic sites devoted to the topic, but the names are just arbitrary designations and have nothing to do with the individuals they are attached to.
Etymology is of interest to chess only in terms of tracing names of the pieces, which has contributed greatly to our understanding of chess history. For example, it is obvious that chess came to Cambodia from India, because it is called chatrang (with some other terms for local variants). This is quite common, while names originating in China are rare.
|Feb-15-06|| ||blingice: Why is a man whose play of such caliber so unnoticed?|
|Mar-28-06|| ||iamverywellatchess: Very well question, blickice! We shoudl debase that for many days to come!|
|Sep-16-06|| ||BIDMONFA: Xu Jun
|Dec-07-07|| ||DarthStapler: He looks like an Asian David Duchovny|
|Jan-29-09|| ||WhiteRook48: that is not a link. why isn't <iamverywellatchess> posting anymore, I wonder?|
|Sep-03-10|| ||invas0rX: Xu + jun = master XUN|
|Oct-07-12|| ||Catholic Bishop: This guy was the coach of former women's world champion Zhu Chen. He's also a very skilled chinese chess as well as Go player.|
|Jul-31-16|| ||cro777: GM Xu Jun is now coach of the Chinese chess prodigy Wei Yi.|
Wei Yi's parents sent him to Wuxi for advanced chess study (the Primary school in Wuxi was one of the bases of the Chinese Chess Association with excellent trainers and students).
The Jiangsu Province chess team was looking for a new player for the Chinese Chess League and GM Xu Jun came to his school and asked for a young player with good potential, and they recommended Wei Yi.
Wei Yi thus turned professional when he was only 12 years old and began to play chess fulltime.
"Xu Jun was champion of China in 1983 and 1985. He has been a member of the Chinese Olympiad Team, a five times winner of the Asia Team Championship 1983–2003, the 1987 3.3 Zonal Champion, the 1998 Champion of China Open; the 2000–2001 Champion of Asia, and was a 2002 Chess Olympiad member of Chinese team which came 5th in the final standings." (Wikipedia)
|Jul-31-16|| ||cro777: Xu Jun is also the Chinese national team coach. Last year at the 2nd Annual Asian Chess Excellence Awards he got the "Coach of the Year" award for coaching the Olympiad champion Chinese team.|
(Xu Jun with Ding Liren and Wei Yi)
|Jul-31-16|| ||cro777: Xu Jun and Wei Yi play for Jiangsu chess team in Chinese Chess League (Division A) and Jiangsu Lvyang team in Chinese Team Championship.|
Today in Round 5 of the 2016 Chinese Team Championship Xu Jun (2532) with the black pieces defeated GM Yu Yangyi (2734) from Beijing Beiao team while Wei Yi drew with Li Chao.
Xu Jun holds both playing and coaching duties.
|Sep-17-16|| ||BIDMONFA: Xu Jun|
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