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Cochrane 
 
John Cochrane
Number of games in database: 761
Years covered: 1820 to 1874
Overall record: +441 -249 =61 (62.8%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games
      Based on games in the database; may be incomplete.
      10 exhibition games, odds games, etc. are excluded from this statistic.

MOST PLAYED OPENINGS
With the White pieces:
 Sicilian (71) 
    B21 B20 B32 B30 B27
 Petrov (58) 
    C42
 King's Indian (39) 
    E76 E77 E61 E90 E71
 Pirc (38) 
    B07 B09
 King's Pawn Game (24) 
    C44 C20 C40
 Philidor's Defense (22) 
    C41
With the Black pieces:
 Giuoco Piano (116) 
    C50 C53 C54
 Queen's Pawn Game (48) 
    D00 D02 A40 A45 D05
 Petrov (25) 
    C42 C43
 King's Indian Attack (24) 
    A07
 Philidor's Defense (23) 
    C41
 King's Pawn Game (22) 
    C20 C44 C40
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NOTABLE GAMES: [what is this?]
   Cochrane vs Mohishunder, 1848 1-0
   Popert vs Cochrane, 1841 0-1
   Cochrane vs NN, 1832 1-0
   Cochrane vs Staunton, 1842 1-0
   Cochrane vs Staunton, 1842 1-0
   Cochrane vs The Turk, 1820 1-0
   Cochrane vs A Deschapelles, 1821 1-0
   Cochrane vs Staunton, 1842 1-0

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JOHN COCHRANE
(born Feb-04-1798, died Jan-02-1878) United Kingdom

[what is this?]
Scottish barrister John Cochrane was born in 1798. He became a leading London player in the early 19th Century. In 1821 he went to France and played an odds match (a pawn and two moves) against Alexandre Louis Honore Lebreton Deschapelles and a level terms match against Louis Charles Mahe De La Bourdonnais and lost both. He went to India in 1824 and remained there until his retirement in 1869, but he took leave in 1841-43 and returned to London. During this period he played hundreds of casual games against Howard Staunton (losing the majority) and a match (which he won (+6, =1, -4)) against Pierre Charles Fournier de Saint Amant.

His name is associated with a variation of the Petroff Defense, the Cochrane Gambit: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nxf7!?


 page 1 of 31; games 1-25 of 761  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves Year Event/LocaleOpening
1. Cochrane vs NN 1-030 1820 CasualC41 Philidor Defense
2. Cochrane vs The Turk 1-030 1820 London000 Chess variants
3. Cochrane vs A Deschapelles 0-124 1821 Odds gameA40 Queen's Pawn Game
4. Cochrane vs A Deschapelles 0-127 1821 casual odds game000 Chess variants
5. Cochrane vs A Deschapelles 1-031 1821 casualC44 King's Pawn Game
6. La Bourdonnais vs Cochrane 0-130 1821 ParisC37 King's Gambit Accepted
7. Cochrane vs NN 1-025 1822 CasualC53 Giuoco Piano
8. Cochrane vs NN 1-013 1822 CasualC53 Giuoco Piano
9. Cochrane vs NN 1-019 1822 CasualC23 Bishop's Opening
10. NN vs Cochrane  0-138 1822 CasualC53 Giuoco Piano
11. Cochrane vs NN 1-030 1822 CasualC53 Giuoco Piano
12. Cochrane vs NN  1-034 1825 UnknownC33 King's Gambit Accepted
13. Cochrane vs NN 1-013 1832 Odds game000 Chess variants
14. Cochrane vs Staunton 1-020 1841 London m1C23 Bishop's Opening
15. Popert vs Cochrane 0-119 1841 LondonC53 Giuoco Piano
16. Staunton vs Cochrane  0-129 1841 London m1C46 Three Knights
17. Cochrane vs Staunton 0-124 1841 LondonC45 Scotch Game
18. Cochrane vs Staunton 0-120 1841 London m1C23 Bishop's Opening
19. Staunton vs Cochrane  1-034 1841 London m1C44 King's Pawn Game
20. Cochrane vs Staunton 0-157 1841 London m1C50 Giuoco Piano
21. Cochrane vs G Walker 1-014 1841 LondonC44 King's Pawn Game
22. Cochrane vs Staunton 0-126 1841 London m1C02 French, Advance
23. Staunton vs Cochrane 1-043 1841 London m1C40 King's Knight Opening
24. Cochrane vs Staunton  0-136 1841 London m1C44 King's Pawn Game
25. Cochrane vs Staunton 0-121 1841 London m1C44 King's Pawn Game
 page 1 of 31; games 1-25 of 761  PGN Download
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Oct-21-05   Stevens: <bishop> nice use of the diagram feature to perfectly illustrate the gambit! Ever played it yourself? With what results?
Oct-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  BishopBerkeley: <Stevens> A very good question.

I have indeed played it myself, though nearly always as a "self-handicapping" system: an opening played against a weaker player. (Unlike many Chessplayers, my primary goal is not always to win. Often my goal is to win, but I also like exciting new situations! So, instead of giving a weaker player a Pawn or Knight, I'll sometimes just play a dubious opening :)

My results have actually been very good, though I really would need to play this lightning bolt gambit against stronger players to have a better sense of my skill (or lack thereof) with it.

I note that our Opening Explorer shows that White wins 62.7% of the games opened with Cochrane Gambit (!!), draws 13.4%, and loses 23.9%. (Lest one read too much into these lopsided results, however, it is not uncommon to see unorthodox openings with large winning percentages, though the strongest players are rarely found within those games sets. (I suspect many of these wins are against players who are too dependent on narrow sets of familiar openings, and these "strange sequences" are meant to bounce them into unfamiliar situations, much to their detriment.))

If I play it any time soon against a solid club player, I'll report my results!

(: B Bishop Berkeley B :)

Oct-21-05   FHBradley: Even Topalov has the tried the Cochrane Gambit, against Kramnik at Linares 1999:

Topalov vs Kramnik, 1999

Oct-21-05
Premium Chessgames Member
  BishopBerkeley: <FHBradley> A very nice example of the Cochrane Gambit among players of the highest rank: Veselin Topalov & Vladimir Kramnik!

Short vs Shirov, 2002 is another interesting example.

Alvis Vitolinsh apparently has the self-handicapping idea upside-down: you do this against a *weaker* player, not a *stronger* one!

A Vitolinsh vs Khalifman, 1984

(: B Bishop Berkeley B :)

Nov-05-05   Chess Champ: if
somebody has the saint amant games from 1843, 11, paste here asap! it's not on this site!
Jan-25-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: Hey Chess Champ..you ever play the Cochrane?
Jan-25-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  WannaBe: G Atwood vs Philidor, 1794 -> G Atwood vs J Wilson, 1801 -> Kasparov vs J Wilson, 2003

=) Okay, so I cheated. =)

Feb-15-06   Whitehat1963: Hey, Johnnie, do you still think O.J.'s innocent?
Feb-15-06   Jim Bartle: Depends on whether he went upward or downward after he died...
Mar-18-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Swapmeet: Well I hate facing the Cochrane Gambit. I suspect most Petrov players, while openly stating they believe the gambit to be unsound, secretly hate playing against it just as much as me. Playing the black side is like being blind-folded and crippled, hanging on for dear life and hoping your opponent screws up.
Mar-18-06   offramp: Why do people use the word 'proffered'? This is the 21st Century.

A phrase like 'if white takes the proffered pawn' makes me imagine one of the players holding a red velvet cushion with a little black pawn on it.

Oct-27-06   ARubinstein: <chessgames.com> You have confused this player and <James Cochrane>, for whom no listing is given in this database. <John Cochrane> was born in 1798, but <James Cochrane> was born in 1770. The games of <James Cochrane> have been wrongly attributed to <John Cochrane> here. One such example is Cochrane vs Deschapelles, 1821
Oct-27-06   SBC: <The games of <James Cochrane> have been wrongly attributed to <John Cochrane> here. One such example is Cochrane vs Deschapelles, 1821 >

What's the source for this?

Oct-27-06   ARubinstein: <SBC> My source for that game is ChessBase, Big Database 2004. The two players are often confused, and since not many games remain from the older Cochrane, James, those that do get lumped together with the games of John Cochrane. The following two German pages discuss the confusion (you can have them freely translated):

http://www.ballo.de/Partien/zettel_...
http://www.musagetes.de/as/schachte...

<chessgames.com> Let's get a page up for James Cochrane!

Oct-28-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Calli: The link you post does not support your arguement:

"John Cochrane (1798-1878) .... Er besuchte im Jahre 1821 gemeinsam mit William Lewis Paris und nahm dort am Vierer-Treffen mit Deschapelles und Labourdonnais teil."

Says that William Lewis and John Cochrane went to Paris in 1921 and played Deschapelles and Labourdonnais. In fact, the story is pretty well known, suggesting that it is Chessbase that is in error, not Chessgames.

Oct-28-06   SBC:

I'm more than a bit confused. I went to the two pages you posted here. I don't read German, so I used Google translator which did a good job, but not a perfect one. One was Harold Balló's excellent site and the other site, I'm not familiar with but I found a critical error in reading through his section on Morphy (he wrote: "After his match against Anderssen Morphy played no more tournament chess." First, I must assume by "tournament chess" he meant competitive chess; second, Morphy's match with Anderssen wasn't his last match - he played two more after that) That error gave me an uneasy feeling about the rest of the page.

Maybe it was because of the machine translator or because of some inate shortcoming of mine, but I didn't see a single thing about James Cochrane having played Deschapelles. They both mention James Cochrane's name, but that's about it. In fact, both sites mention, correctly, that John Cochrane was in Paris (with William Lewis) in 1821. Equally, I can't understand the idea that Deschapelles would even play James Cochrane, let alone play him even. Regardless of whether Jame Cochrane is listed as having played this game in the Chessbase Big Database, I just don't see any evidence.

Oct-28-06   ARubinstein: <Calli> When I provided those links, I said they <discuss the confusion>; in other words, the confusion regarding John Cochrane and James Cochrane. I did not provide them as evidence that James Cochrane played the game against Deschapelles. As I stated, my source for that is ChessBase.

Using the Google Translation of the first page:

<Anton Schmid (literature of the game of chess, Vienna 1847) gives a James Cochrane (WAD-race civil Servant) as an author together with Ghulam Kassim for this work. It uses however two different feature years (1829 and 1839). It points out explicitly that this James Cochrane is not identical with the famous chess player (who it calls then however again incorrectly James [instead of John])... [John Cochrane] belonged to England strongest chess players and is not not to confound with „WAD-races civil Servant James Cochrane (1770-1830).>

And the Google translation of the second page:

<The opening of this portion is the Ghulam Kassim Gambit, variants of the Königsgambits. Ghulam Kassim however is a CO author that probably first Eröffnungsmonographie at all, which to 1829 in WAD-race one published. The second CO author is a James Cochrane, which is confounded more frequently with John Cochrane then living in Calcutta.>

He then goes on to give a link to Ballo's page, so regardless of the error about Morphy, these two pages are in agreement about the confusion regarding the two players James Cochrane and John Cochrane.

There should be a separate page for the games of James Cochrane. It is clear that there was another player named "James Cochrane," and all of the games that are listed under his name in ChessBase are given here as being played by John Cochrane.

<SBC: Equally, I can't understand the idea that Deschapelles would even play James Cochrane, let alone play him even.>

What makes you so sure that James Cochrane was such a weak player? If he co-wrote a monograph on a chess opening, it is clear that he had at least some interest in studying the game.

ChessBase tends to be a more reliable database, on the whole, than Chessgames.com. This does not prove anything, of course, and it may well be that John Cochrane is the one who played that Deschapelles game listed above. That game was one example of a case where ChessBase and chessgames.com are in discrepancy; there are others as well. However, one thing is clear: James Cochrane and John Cochrane were two separate chess players, one born 28 years before the other. There should be a page up for James Cochrane.

Oct-28-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Calli: These passages merely say that a booklet on the Muzio Gambit published in 1829 by Ghulam Kassim and J. Cochrane is sometimes misattributed to John Cochrane when the co-author was, indeed, James Cochrane, a civil servant in Madras. By coincidence, the more famous Cochrane was also serving in India in Calcutta which is probably why "John" was assumed by some to be the author. Both websites recount John C. visiting Paris and playing Dechappelles and LaBourdonnais, so there is no question that John Cochrane played all of the games here on ChessGames.

Visited ChessBase's online database and its true that they have mistakenly and, I must say, very carelessly listed James C as a player in many games. Its easy to see what happened. Someone there looked at the large gap in years between the games they had - the last of first group in 1826 and the other group beginning in 1842 - and then without a shred of evidence decided that James C must have played all of the earlier games and since he died in 1830, that John played all the rest. Very sloppy, but I've had similar experiences with Chessbase.

Oct-28-06   SBC: <What makes you so sure that James Cochrane was such a weak player? If he co-wrote a monograph on a chess opening, it is clear that he had at least some interest in studying the game.>

Just like the story of the man who supposedly challenged Capablanca to a game and Capa declined. When the man pressed him for a reason, Capa told him he wasn't good enough. The man, a bit indignant, said something like, "you don't even know me, how do you know I can't beat you" and Capa replied "If you were capable of beating me, I'd know you."

If James Cochrane was good enough to play Deschapelles even, we'd all know him.

Chessgames.com, generally, is far more accurate than Chessbase in my opinion.

Oct-28-06   ARubinstein: <Calli> You misunderstand my request. James Cochrane and John Cochrane were two different players, yes? All I am arguing is that James Cochrane should have his own page on here. The two passages that I quoted refer to the common confusion between these two players.

Your assumption about what ChessBase did is just that -- an assumption. In general, there are fewer errors on Chessbase than here on Chessgames, and their Big Databases are more complete. I'm not talking about their online database. My source was not there online database, which is not as accurate as their purchased databases. If you have any of their Big Databases (2004 to present), then look for the games of James Cochrane there. You will see that he is *not* listed as a <player in many games>, which you indicate. He is listed in very few games, but he is listed. And, in this sense anyway, ChessBase is more accurate than Chessgames. ChessBase recognizes him as a separate player. Chessgames has no record of him even existing.

<Both websites recount John C. visiting Paris and playing Dechappelles and LaBourdonnais, so there is no question that John Cochrane played all of the games here on ChessGames.>

This is very sloppy "history" indeed. Based on one game, you state that there is "no question" that John Cochrane played "all" of the games here. How can you be so sure? That is only one game. Chessgames.com doesn't list ANY games of James Cochrane. But the ones listed under his name according to ChessBase (and there are others besides the Deschappelles game) are all listed here under John Cochrane's name. You cannot, based on the evidence of one game, make an assumption about <all> the other games in question.

I brought up the Deschappelles game to illustrate a very basic point -- that there needs to be a separate page up for James Cochrane. I have already agreed that it's possible that ChessBase is mistaken regarding that particular game, but it doesn't change the fact that there was another Cochrane who wrote about chess and played chess in a similar era. There is no reason why there shouldn't be a page for this player on Chessgames.

Oct-28-06   ARubinstein: <SBC> I know that famous story about Capablanca. It has nothing to do with this. The difference here is we're talking about a much earlier period in chess history, in which far fewer games were recorded.

Some people *do* know about the existence of James Cochrane; the fact that you weren't aware of him doesn't prove anything. He co-wrote one of the early monographs on a chess opening. Just to do such a thing in the early 19th century shows that he was not a stranger to the game. I find it strange that you can speak so definitively about his strength, and yet you haven't played over a single one of his games.

What are you and <Calli> suggesting? That there should be no page for James Cochrane because he wasn't "good enough"? There are more than a few not-so-good players who get listed here on Chessgames, especially from the 19th century and before. Why shouldn't he be included?

About the Deschappelles game, I have already agreed that ChessBase might be in the wrong on that particular game. I think it deserves investigation But this says nothing of the other games which are attributed to James Cochrane.

I am asking that a page be put up for James Cochrane so that the games which he *did* play can be properly attributed to him, and so that this lesser-known player can be investigated.

(In my experience, ChessBase is much more complete than chessgames, and they also give more information regarding the games. I'm not talking about their online database, but their Big Databases that are only available through purchase.)

Oct-28-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Calli: <ARubinstein> Let me put it clearly

There are no recorded games attributed to James Cochrane. Period. None. How do I know this? The Oxford Encyclopedia lists every known game of this period. All of the games here are John Cochrane. Recorded games 1800-1830 are extremely rare. Oxford lists less than 75 games total for the peiod. If James C had any recorded games they would be well known.

They can put up a page for James but there won't be any games to list.

Oct-28-06   ARubinstein: <Calli> Let me put it clearly.

The Oxford Encyclopedia may be incomplete. It is not exactly the only historical chess source. New games are popping up all the time; just today ChessBase posted an article about a new game of Capablanca's (although it's authenticity is still in question). Are you speaking of an online Oxford Encyclopedia or one that you purchased in some previous year?

There is obviously at least one source that disagree with you. If a page is put up for James Cochrane, this issue can be better investigated on his page.

You are making definitive, authoritative claims about there being no recorded games of a player whose existence you weren't even aware of until yesterday.

Oct-28-06
Premium Chessgames Member
  Calli: You could petition the Germans for money back on your CD. Point out their huge blunder and maybe they will agree to a refund. Its worth a try....
Oct-29-06   ARubinstein: <Calli> Their "huge blunder" has not been demonstrated. You don't even know what games they list under James Cochrane's name, besides one. From some evidence about <one> game, you feel entitled to make wide sweeping claims about <any and all> games. This is not how historians operate.

It's possible that ChessBase is wrong about all 11 games that they attribute to James Cochrane in Big Database, but this has not been proven. So far the two databases are in discrepancy. What has been established by now is that James Cochrane and John Cochrane were different players. ChessBase lists James Cochrane in their player's encyclopedia, while chessgames.com does not have a page for him. He was an English player who co-wrote at least one book on chess. Your pattern of blindly dismissing ChessBase does not make for careful historical research. You should first examine the 11 games in question, and then try to find a little bit more information about the player whom you were not aware of until yesterday.

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