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|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: Biographical Dictionary of Canadian Jewry, 1897-1909, Part II - Geographic Entries; St. John, New Brunswick and the Atlantic Provinces:|
<JASNOGRODSKY, Mr., a chess player, visited St. John, (The Canadian Jewish Times, vol. 2, no. 12 [12 May 1899])>
Directory of Ontario, Including Montreal, Quebec and Winnipeg, 1899 (not sure which city): <Jasnogrodsky Naum, 440 St Dennis>
In 1902 and 1908, Naum J. is listed in Boston City directory.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicol..., "last modified on 31 January 2017, at 00:36.". Birth date there is 6 August.|
Where's "Aug-17-1859" from? I changed to Aug. 6 for now.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: Aha. Aug 6 is Julian calendar, do we use that here?|
I guess not. http://www.stevemorse.org/jcal/juli... Aug. 6 --> Aug. <18> (no?) Gregorian.
|Feb-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: I suspect the August 6th may come from the <ACB> obituary (v.11, p.181), which slyly concluded that 'in later years he had a predilection for the "swindles" made famous by the American champion.'|
Gaige's <Chess Personalia> has DOB as 17.08.1859, and it's underlined to indicate that this has been converted to the Gregorian New Style, so his original birthday would have been 05.08., because there was a 12 day difference during the 19th century.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: <MissS> Yes, well, but the wife 3 wedding original document + the https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/... have 06.08.|
|Feb-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: I think the findagrave site is likely relying on Wikipedia for the DOB. It's possible, of course, that Gaige erred and only added 11 days.|
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: <MissScarlett: I think the findagrave site is likely relying on Wikipedia for the DOB.>|
Unreliable. They're better when with picture of the gravestone.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1... shows the Jasnogrodsky family (Naum 41, Bertha 36, Esther 15 and Sarah 12) living in Quebec in 1901.|
So Canada can be added to the list of countries he lived in.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903..., wife 1 again. |
His first wife was born in "Russia" and widowed when they married in 1894. So it's probable the two daughters (b. abt. 1886 & 1889) were not his.
|Feb-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: Seeing that Jasno didn't move to America before 1892/93, I think that can safely be assumed. After Bertha's death, I wonder how long he hung around.|
|Feb-13-17|| ||patzerkiller: New York Sun, Thursday July 13 1911 p.6
FUGITIVE ASSERTS HE IS CHESS EXPERT
Montreal Insurance Man Arrested Here on Theft Charge Made by Boston Doctor.
Nehemiah Jasnogrodsky, who asserts that he has an international reputation as a chess player, having taken part in several important chess matches under the name of Jasno, was arrested yesterday at 116th street and Third avenue by Detectives Allen and Cassidy, of the Central Office, on a charge of the larceny of $310 from James Krauss, of Boston.
The arrest was made on a telegram from the Boston police, and Jasnogrodsky will be held to await extradition papers. He gave his age as forty-nine and said he was an insurance agent in Montreal.
Dr. Krauss Says His Acquaintance with Jasnogrodsky Was Costly.
[SPECIAL DESPATCH TO THE HERALD.]
Boston, Wednesday:— Dr. James Krauss, who has offices at No. 419 Boylston street, is well known as a student and educator. Six or seven years ago Nehemiah Jasnogrodsky, who was an agent of the Mutual Life Insurance Company, was introduced to him as a chess player and they became friends.
Dr. Krauss says that his acquaintance with Jasnogrodsky cost him several thousand dollars, but the specific charge is the larceny of $310, which he is accused of having obtained on a note.
Jasnogrodsky was arrested at Scranton, Pa., a year ago and jumped his bail. He asserted that he had played in professional chess tournaments in New York and London and showed Dr. Krauss pictures taken of himself and leading chess players of the world.
|Feb-13-17|| ||patzerkiller: Charlevoix County Herald, (East Jordan, Michigan) December 08, 1906, page 2|
New York Insurance Man's Career In Bay City.
A dizzy several months' stay in Bay City, his marriage to the daughter of a Jewish rabbi, magnificent entertainments and a big bunch of unpaid bills will be brought into the limelight by the issuance of a warrant for Naum Jasnogrodsky, a New York Life Insurance agent. Jasnogrodsky was one of the smoothest things that ever came to Bay City. He appeared a little over year ago and started in to write big policies. He touched nothing less than $25,000 policies, he told the many acquaintances he made. He exhibited a policy for $100,000 on the life of a Saginaw man and other big ones on the lives of local men, and merely casually referred to his enormous commissions.
He became acquainted with Miss Anna Landau, daughter of the late Rabbi Wolfe Landau, one of the best known rabbis in the state. A courtship of a few months was marked by expensive presents of jewelry and lavish entertainment. His gifts to his bride-to-be were matters of comment everywhere.
To perform the ceremony a brother of Miss Landau, also a rabbi, came there from Georgia and the wedding was one of the most brilliant of the season. Jasnogrodsky and his bride went to New York and five weeks afterwards the bride was left alone in a hotel in that city. She secured assistance from relatives and came back to Bay City.
|Feb-13-17|| ||patzerkiller: Charlevoix County Herald (East Jordan, Michigan), December 15 1906, page 7|
Chief of Police Murphy and Prosecutor Orr were denied extradition papers for Naum Jasnogrodski wanted in Bay City on a charge of getting $1,400 from Bernard Sempliner, a tailor, on alleged false pretences. Gov. Higgins, of New York, ruled that there was merely an exchange of notes, and that no crime was involved in the alleged crooked transaction. The local officials are being criticised for taking the junket, as Sempliner has sent an attorney and the presence of the officials is regarded as unnecessary.
It is said that Jasnogrodski and the relatives of his bride whom he married will pay up all his indebtedness, about $2,500, but that Sempliner will be the last to recover.
|Feb-13-17|| ||zanzibar: <<MissS> Seeing that Jasno didn't move to America before 1892/93>|
What's the source for this, I wonder?
|Feb-13-17|| ||zanzibar: <Tab> did you retract your idea of submitting a name correction for him?|
|Feb-14-17|| ||Tabanus: No, I submitted it.
He arrived in New York 18 Aug 1893 according to New York State and Federal Naturalization Records, Declaration of Intent, dated 15 Feb 1904. Two other similar records have 1893. I cannot find him in any passenger list.
|Feb-14-17|| ||hemy: No names like NAUM or NIKOLAI (Nicolai) are on the list of Yiddish names:
You can found on this list the name Nechemia and the common nickname of it - Nokhemke, that my parents used.
|Feb-14-17|| ||MissScarlett: <What's the source for this, I wonder?>|
I'd seen reference to 1893, but I also had in mind:
<He is a native of Russia, and came to this country in 1892 to participate in chess exhibitions during the Columbian Exposition in Chicago.>
Nicolai Jasnogrodsky (kibitz #30)
I see now that was an error/misprint, and the exposition in question took place in 1893: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World...
|Feb-14-17|| ||Tabanus: I wrote a short, lousy bio, but hopefully better than nothing. Please fill in the blanks.|
|Feb-14-17|| ||zanzibar: <Tab> I'd suggest changing the name back to <Nicolai>.|
The name <Nechemia> isn't used by anybody, even if it was technically his birthname.
All chess sources use either Nicolai or Nikolai (though EDOchess does mention Maurice).
<Nicolai Jasnogrodsky> was the name used in a contemporaneous ACM issue where he annotated a game. Presumably this is the name he himself wanted used in connection with chess.
We're primarily concerned with what's best for chess usage, and it's fairly clear to me that <Nicolai> is right.
Nicolai Jasnogrodsky (kibitz #46)
PS- Maurice should be added to the list of alternative names in the bio.
(My name suggestion is for the PGN/CG name, obviously all the exact details in the bio are OK - though I'd like to see a footnote for the use of Nechemia ).
|Feb-15-17|| ||zanzibar: Hathai Trust has two copies of ACB v11 (1914)... one of which is corrupt.|
Unfortunately, the corrupt volume is the one linked at <Chess Archeology> (<jnpope> - you there?).
Luckily, the Harvard copy is OK, and it contains the obit for <Jasnogrodsky>.
It lists his name as <Nicolai Jasnogrodsky>.
I intend to issue a correction slip to the correction slip.
|Feb-15-17|| ||zanzibar: <Nicolai Jasnogrodsky.
On April 23 at the Montefiore Home in New York city death claimed another master
chess player in the person of Nicolai Jasnogrodsky, who, however, had not been very
prominent in chess circles for many years. The deceased was born in Lubny, Russia, on
August 6, 1859. After having made a name for himself in England during the eighties,
he came to this country and spent many years here. For some time he was a familiar
figure at the metropolitan chess clubs and resorts, but commercial pursuits later occupied
his attention. At Amsterdam in 1890 he attained his mastership, and three years later
he participated in the "Impromptu" international tournament in New York. In 1896
Jasnogrodsky won the New York State championship, and he also found a strong defense
against the Rice Gambit which bears his name. In a match with H. E. Bird, the English
master, the Polish expert made an even score in thirteen games. His style of play was
bright and snappy, but in later years he had a predilection for the "swindles" made
famous by the American champion.>
American chess bulletin. v.11 (1914) p181.
|Feb-16-17|| ||Paarhufer: <Tab: I wonder what Urcan ended up with!> Was C.N. 8518 (see http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...) already mentioned? It doesn't answer the question, but at least Winter/Urcan used 'Nicolai' in 2014.|
<zan> I see your honorable efforts for months, but the question of whether you have achieved something I would like to negate. My impression from the cg editors is that they have neither rules nor that they agree on any issues, and hence act inconsistently. I can only roughly judge this case here, but it feels only one step away of <Wolf Steinitz>, <Benjamin Horwitz>, etc. And without commonly accepted rules, everything is *right* and it's all waste of time ...
|Feb-16-17|| ||Tabanus: Chessgames Editor Guide|
|Feb-17-17|| ||zanzibar: <Paarhufer> Yes, I sometimes (often(?)) agree with some of those sentiments.|
I should construct a better reply, but at the moment I'm a little tried.
The name business is worth discussing, perhaps I'll move it over to the Bistro.
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