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|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: Aha. Aug 6 is Julian calendar, do we use that here?|
I guess not. http://www.stevemorse.org/jcal/juli... Aug. 6 --> Aug. <18> (no?) Gregorian.
|Feb-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: I suspect the August 6th may come from the <ACB> obituary (v.11, p.181), which slyly concluded that 'in later years he had a predilection for the "swindles" made famous by the American champion.'|
Gaige's <Chess Personalia> has DOB as 17.08.1859, and it's underlined to indicate that this has been converted to the Gregorian New Style, so his original birthday would have been 05.08., because there was a 12 day difference during the 19th century.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: <MissS> Yes, well, but the wife 3 wedding original document + the https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/... have 06.08.|
|Feb-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: I think the findagrave site is likely relying on Wikipedia for the DOB. It's possible, of course, that Gaige erred and only added 11 days.|
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: <MissScarlett: I think the findagrave site is likely relying on Wikipedia for the DOB.>|
Unreliable. They're better when with picture of the gravestone.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/1... shows the Jasnogrodsky family (Naum 41, Bertha 36, Esther 15 and Sarah 12) living in Quebec in 1901.|
So Canada can be added to the list of countries he lived in.
|Feb-13-17|| ||Tabanus: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903..., wife 1 again. |
His first wife was born in "Russia" and widowed when they married in 1894. So it's probable the two daughters (b. abt. 1886 & 1889) were not his.
|Feb-13-17|| ||MissScarlett: Seeing that Jasno didn't move to America before 1892/93, I think that can safely be assumed. After Bertha's death, I wonder how long he hung around.|
|Feb-13-17|| ||patzerkiller: New York Sun, Thursday July 13 1911 p.6
FUGITIVE ASSERTS HE IS CHESS EXPERT
Montreal Insurance Man Arrested Here on Theft Charge Made by Boston Doctor.
Nehemiah Jasnogrodsky, who asserts that he has an international reputation as a chess player, having taken part in several important chess matches under the name of Jasno, was arrested yesterday at 116th street and Third avenue by Detectives Allen and Cassidy, of the Central Office, on a charge of the larceny of $310 from James Krauss, of Boston.
The arrest was made on a telegram from the Boston police, and Jasnogrodsky will be held to await extradition papers. He gave his age as forty-nine and said he was an insurance agent in Montreal.
Dr. Krauss Says His Acquaintance with Jasnogrodsky Was Costly.
[SPECIAL DESPATCH TO THE HERALD.]
Boston, Wednesday:— Dr. James Krauss, who has offices at No. 419 Boylston street, is well known as a student and educator. Six or seven years ago Nehemiah Jasnogrodsky, who was an agent of the Mutual Life Insurance Company, was introduced to him as a chess player and they became friends.
Dr. Krauss says that his acquaintance with Jasnogrodsky cost him several thousand dollars, but the specific charge is the larceny of $310, which he is accused of having obtained on a note.
Jasnogrodsky was arrested at Scranton, Pa., a year ago and jumped his bail. He asserted that he had played in professional chess tournaments in New York and London and showed Dr. Krauss pictures taken of himself and leading chess players of the world.
|Feb-13-17|| ||patzerkiller: Charlevoix County Herald, (East Jordan, Michigan) December 08, 1906, page 2|
New York Insurance Man's Career In Bay City.
A dizzy several months' stay in Bay City, his marriage to the daughter of a Jewish rabbi, magnificent entertainments and a big bunch of unpaid bills will be brought into the limelight by the issuance of a warrant for Naum Jasnogrodsky, a New York Life Insurance agent. Jasnogrodsky was one of the smoothest things that ever came to Bay City. He appeared a little over year ago and started in to write big policies. He touched nothing less than $25,000 policies, he told the many acquaintances he made. He exhibited a policy for $100,000 on the life of a Saginaw man and other big ones on the lives of local men, and merely casually referred to his enormous commissions.
He became acquainted with Miss Anna Landau, daughter of the late Rabbi Wolfe Landau, one of the best known rabbis in the state. A courtship of a few months was marked by expensive presents of jewelry and lavish entertainment. His gifts to his bride-to-be were matters of comment everywhere.
To perform the ceremony a brother of Miss Landau, also a rabbi, came there from Georgia and the wedding was one of the most brilliant of the season. Jasnogrodsky and his bride went to New York and five weeks afterwards the bride was left alone in a hotel in that city. She secured assistance from relatives and came back to Bay City.
|Feb-13-17|| ||patzerkiller: Charlevoix County Herald (East Jordan, Michigan), December 15 1906, page 7|
Chief of Police Murphy and Prosecutor Orr were denied extradition papers for Naum Jasnogrodski wanted in Bay City on a charge of getting $1,400 from Bernard Sempliner, a tailor, on alleged false pretences. Gov. Higgins, of New York, ruled that there was merely an exchange of notes, and that no crime was involved in the alleged crooked transaction. The local officials are being criticised for taking the junket, as Sempliner has sent an attorney and the presence of the officials is regarded as unnecessary.
It is said that Jasnogrodski and the relatives of his bride whom he married will pay up all his indebtedness, about $2,500, but that Sempliner will be the last to recover.
|Feb-13-17|| ||zanzibar: <<MissS> Seeing that Jasno didn't move to America before 1892/93>|
What's the source for this, I wonder?
|Feb-13-17|| ||zanzibar: <Tab> did you retract your idea of submitting a name correction for him?|
|Feb-14-17|| ||Tabanus: No, I submitted it.
He arrived in New York 18 Aug 1893 according to New York State and Federal Naturalization Records, Declaration of Intent, dated 15 Feb 1904. Two other similar records have 1893. I cannot find him in any passenger list.
|Feb-14-17|| ||hemy: No names like NAUM or NIKOLAI (Nicolai) are on the list of Yiddish names:
You can found on this list the name Nechemia and the common nickname of it - Nokhemke, that my parents used.
|Feb-14-17|| ||MissScarlett: <What's the source for this, I wonder?>|
I'd seen reference to 1893, but I also had in mind:
<He is a native of Russia, and came to this country in 1892 to participate in chess exhibitions during the Columbian Exposition in Chicago.>
Nicolai Jasnogrodsky (kibitz #30)
I see now that was an error/misprint, and the exposition in question took place in 1893: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World...
|Feb-14-17|| ||Tabanus: I wrote a short, lousy bio, but hopefully better than nothing. Please fill in the blanks.|
|Feb-14-17|| ||zanzibar: <Tab> I'd suggest changing the name back to <Nicolai>.|
The name <Nechemia> isn't used by anybody, even if it was technically his birthname.
All chess sources use either Nicolai or Nikolai (though EDOchess does mention Maurice).
<Nicolai Jasnogrodsky> was the name used in a contemporaneous ACM issue where he annotated a game. Presumably this is the name he himself wanted used in connection with chess.
We're primarily concerned with what's best for chess usage, and it's fairly clear to me that <Nicolai> is right.
Nicolai Jasnogrodsky (kibitz #46)
PS- Maurice should be added to the list of alternative names in the bio.
(My name suggestion is for the PGN/CG name, obviously all the exact details in the bio are OK - though I'd like to see a footnote for the use of Nechemia ).
|Feb-15-17|| ||zanzibar: Hathai Trust has two copies of ACB v11 (1914)... one of which is corrupt.|
Unfortunately, the corrupt volume is the one linked at <Chess Archeology> (<jnpope> - you there?).
Luckily, the Harvard copy is OK, and it contains the obit for <Jasnogrodsky>.
It lists his name as <Nicolai Jasnogrodsky>.
I intend to issue a correction slip to the correction slip.
|Feb-15-17|| ||zanzibar: <Nicolai Jasnogrodsky.
On April 23 at the Montefiore Home in New York city death claimed another master
chess player in the person of Nicolai Jasnogrodsky, who, however, had not been very
prominent in chess circles for many years. The deceased was born in Lubny, Russia, on
August 6, 1859. After having made a name for himself in England during the eighties,
he came to this country and spent many years here. For some time he was a familiar
figure at the metropolitan chess clubs and resorts, but commercial pursuits later occupied
his attention. At Amsterdam in 1890 he attained his mastership, and three years later
he participated in the "Impromptu" international tournament in New York. In 1896
Jasnogrodsky won the New York State championship, and he also found a strong defense
against the Rice Gambit which bears his name. In a match with H. E. Bird, the English
master, the Polish expert made an even score in thirteen games. His style of play was
bright and snappy, but in later years he had a predilection for the "swindles" made
famous by the American champion.>
American chess bulletin. v.11 (1914) p181.
|Feb-16-17|| ||Paarhufer: <Tab: I wonder what Urcan ended up with!> Was C.N. 8518 (see http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...) already mentioned? It doesn't answer the question, but at least Winter/Urcan used 'Nicolai' in 2014.|
<zan> I see your honorable efforts for months, but the question of whether you have achieved something I would like to negate. My impression from the cg editors is that they have neither rules nor that they agree on any issues, and hence act inconsistently. I can only roughly judge this case here, but it feels only one step away of <Wolf Steinitz>, <Benjamin Horwitz>, etc. And without commonly accepted rules, everything is *right* and it's all waste of time ...
|Feb-16-17|| ||Tabanus: Chessgames Editor Guide|
|Feb-17-17|| ||zanzibar: <Paarhufer> Yes, I sometimes (often(?)) agree with some of those sentiments.|
I should construct a better reply, but at the moment I'm a little tried.
The name business is worth discussing, perhaps I'll move it over to the Bistro.
|Apr-27-17|| ||patzerkiller: New York Times Dec 3, 1906 pg. 6
CHESS EXPERT JAILED FOR HONEYMOON DEBT
Jasnogrodsky Says He " Taught Roosevelt and Jerome the Game."
WANTED FOR $10,000 DEAL
Ex-Mutual Agent in the Tombs Charged with Getting Money Wrongly to Marry Rich Rabbi's Daughter.
N. Jasnogrodsky, expert chess player and Mutual Life insurance agent, who says he has been the General Representative of that company in Canada, and who says that he taught President Roosevelt and District Attorney Jerome to play chess, is in the Tombs charged with being a fugitive from justice. He is alleged to have swindled ten citizens of Bay City, Mich., out of $10,000, which he borrowed to defray his wedding expenses when he married Anna Landau, daughter of a prominent Jewish rabbi of that city. N. M. Murphy, Superintendent of Police. of Bay City, and Brakie J. Orr, Prosecuting Attorney of Bay County, telegraphed the police here to arrest Jasnogrodsky. He was caught on Saturday night. On their way to this city the Michigan officials stopped off at Albany and presented extradition papers signed by the Governor of Michigan, to Gov. Higgins's secretary. They expect to obtain Gov. Higgins's signature by Tuesday night, when they will take Jasnogrcdsky West with them. Central Office detectives Howard and Flannelly arrested Jasnogrodsky in his home at 68 West 117th Street Saturday night. When Jasnogrodsky was told by Howard of the complaint against him, he turned pale, according to the policeman, and said: "This is a conspiracy. Anna, call up District Attorney Jerome. He will not allow me to be imprisoned. Anna, call up Gov. Higgins at Albany. I'd like to speak to him. No, officer, I refuse to go with you. If you take me out of my home, you will have to carry me." " Then I'll carry you," Howard replied, politely but firmly. Jasnogrodsky finally consented to accompany the policemen to Headquarters. Yesterday morning he was before Magistrate Whitman in the Tombs Court. He was represented by Samuel S. Koenig, Republican leader of the Sixth Assembly District. Koenig asked that his client be admitted to bail. Magistrate Whitman asked Attorney Orr if there was any indictment. " We have neither Grand Juries nor indictments in Michigan," Orr replied. " What we call an ' information,' sworn to before a Justice of the Peace, is equivalent there to what you term an indictment here. We have laid our ' information ' before Gov. Higgins for the purpose of extradition." " If your are sure of that," said the Magistrate, " I have no recourse but to commit the prisoner to prison for forty-eight hours without bail." Jasnogrodsky protested against this, saying that he could obtain bail up to $100,000 within a short time. Mr. Koenig said last night that he would apply today for a writ of habeas corpus from the Supreme Court for the purpose of having Jasnogrodsky admitted to bail. " No, there are no Grand Juries and indictments in Michigan," said Jasnogrodsky in court. " No, there are conspiracies instead. They railroad a man out there without trial by his peers. I want to be tried here, where there is justice. I am financially able to meet all my obligations, This transaction is one in which I gave a note in exchange for a check. I was about to marry the daughter of a prominent and wealthy rabbi of Bay City, and needed a great deal of money to pay the wedding expenses." When seen last night, Mr. Orr, the Michigan Prosecuting Attorney, made this statement:
|Apr-27-17|| ||patzerkiller: "Jasnogrodsky came to Bay City for the purpose of doing some insurance business and of getting married. He got to know the best Jews in our city, and formed an attachment for Anna Landau, the daughter of a prominent rabbi, who is now dead. Just before his marriage to Miss Landau he borrowed $10,000 from ten persons, among them being Mr. Simplier. He said that he had executed a policy with Walter S. Eddy, a wealthy man of Saginaw, which would net him $10,000 commission. He showed a letter purporting to come from the New York office of the Mutual Life Insurance Company in support of his assertion. We afterward learned that he only aided in executing the policy and that his commission was between $2,000 and $3,000." Jasnogrodsky discussed his case freely when seen in his cell. He said that his wife was wealthy, but that he would not allow her to pay his debts. " Before the insurance investigation I lived at the rate of from $12,000 to $15,000 a year," he said. "When the insurance business became poor in consequence of the investigation, I continued to live at the old rate. This caused my financial embarrassment, which has extended over five months. I am not a rich man now; in fact I was broke up to six weeks ago, when I dropped the insurance business and sold mining stock for a well-known Wall Street house. Since then I have been making from $400 to $500 a week. I have paid off a couple of thousand dollars of my debts. This man Simplier can have no complaint against me, as all my notes to him were discounted by a Bay City bank." " This thing is a farce comedy," said Mrs. Jasnogrosky, who is the prisoner's second wife, when seen last night. " All those charges, against my husband constitute a conspiracy. The statement that he had to borrow $10,000 with which to get married is absurd. He always had plenty of money. That Simplier loaned. him such a sum is also absurd. " Mr. Jasnogrodsky is a friend of Mr. Jerome. When he was arrested I telephoned to Mr. Jerome, but could not get him. I know he would not have allowed my husband to have been locked up. Mr. Jasnogrodslay also has friends in Albany. One of them, who is connected with the State Department of Education, assured me today that Gov. Higgins would never sign the extradition papers." M. Purles, who keeps a café at 9 East 116th Street, said last night that he would give bail for Jasnogrodsky. " Mr. Jasnogrodsky is a big money maker," he said in German-English. " He is a big gentlemen. I will not see so fine a gentlemen in trouble." Jasnogrodsky is well known in chess circles for the defense he invented against the Rice Gambit. He was a member of the Manhattan Chess Club for many years. District Attorney Jerome was a member at the same time, and it was there that Jasnogrodsky made his acquaintance. Jasnogrodsky was dropped from the membership roll for non-payment of dues in 1898. The members of the club said last night that when he was a member he was poor, but that he had since made a comfortable fortune.|
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