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Sep-15-20 | | Nosnibor: Was this man responsible for the death of Hartleb? |
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Sep-15-20
 | | MissScarlett: Why do you ask? |
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Sep-15-20
 | | perfidious: Have never seen evidence that Whitaker was charged with negligence by Arkansas authorities in the accident. Arkansas state roads and even Interstates are not wonderful now--I have had the dubious pleasure of driving them--and my belief is that they were even worse in 1961, well before my first experience in that state. |
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Sep-15-20 | | Nosnibor: Well Whitaker was the driver of the car that carried Glenn Hartleb. Apparently he lost control of the vehicle whilst driving close to a bridge. He was not charged with negligent driving and did not suffer any serious injuries. He must have been well known to the police following events from 30 years previously. |
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Sep-15-20
 | | MissScarlett: So it was a rhetorical question? |
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Sep-15-20
 | | MissScarlett: <Well Whitaker was the driver of the car that carried Glenn Hartleb [...] and did not suffer any serious injuries.> Having finally tracked down my copy of <Shady Side> - it was under the bed - neither statement is correct. There was a third occupant of the car, of whom more later.. |
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Sep-16-20 | | Nosnibor: You appear to be the super sleuth in cases like this .So I await with baited breath from your findings! |
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Sep-16-20
 | | perfidious: Most interesting--I have not read <Shady Side> and had never heard of a third person in the vehicle. |
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Sep-17-20
 | | HeMateMe: I'm just glad that none of this guy's contacts with Bobby seem to involve any Boy Scout Troop Leader sex, if you know what I mean... |
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Sep-17-20 | | Everett: Re: molestation of little boys, the whole boy scout pedo thing evaporated quicker than lizard pee in the desert, yet #metoo persists. Why? |
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Jun-06-23 | | Nosnibor: Whitaker was the man in the radio serial " Journey into space." His main comment was that "Orders must be obeyed". He was under control by the only Martian being through some sort of hypnosis. This was broadcasted in the mid 1950s. |
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Jul-12-23
 | | FSR: "The Big Grifter" episode of "Dragnet" is available at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twF.... I have no idea whether the con man described in the episode is based on Whitaker. |
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Jul-12-23
 | | FSR: Whitaker lived in Shady Side, Maryland. That has to be the most appropriate place of residence ever. |
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Jul-12-23
 | | FSR: <HeMateMe> According to the Wikipedia article, Whitaker in 1950 was convicted of sexual molestation of a minor. No indication of the minor's gender. As for investments in chess-related literature, I wish I'd bought many copies of Fischer's pamphlet <I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse>. I bought one for a dollar when it came out. Now people are selling them for around $300 each. |
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Jul-12-23
 | | HeMateMe: <I Was Tortured in the Pasadena Jailhouse>. Didn't Harry Reams and Marilyn Chambers star in the original? |
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Jul-15-23
 | | HeMateMe: hmmm...<Jeffrey Epstein--The Movie> could be made. Kevin Costner in the lead, Pee Wee Herman as Prince Andrew. Jim Carey plays Bill Clinton. Madonna in a small role as one of the moms who sells their pre pubescent daughters. |
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Jul-04-25 | | Petrosianic: How exactly did Whitaker become an IM? "FIDE awarded him the title" doesn't tell me much. I've always assumed he got it the same way Rubinstein, Vidmar, Saemisch, Duras, et al got their GM titles, i.e. by just being awarded it for performances before 1950. Chess Life is strangely silent on this. Nothing is said about it in 1965, and there's just an in-passing mention in October 66 that Whitaker is an IM, with nothing ever having been said about how he got it. |
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Jul-04-25 | | stone free or die: John Hilbert has this to say about it:
< ... His International Master’s title, awarded by FIDE in 1965, was as much a testimony to his years of pestering the officials involved as it was to his long-gone chess strength.And yet especially during the roughly 20 years between 1910 and 1930, when not in prison, Whitaker excelled at playing chess. What he might have accomplished in the game, had he spent his time studying and playing it, instead of hatching one failed criminal plan and contentious lawsuit after another, can never be known. To borrow a few lines written regarding his one-time co-conspirator, Gaston B. Means, but that might equally apply to Whitaker, “Few men attain so much fame and so little success in so many kinds of crime, and at the same time acquire reputation of a sort in fields unrelated to their strict criminal activity.” (Quoted from the Christian Century in the Philadelphia Daily News, 28 September 1963, page 14.)’> https://www.chesshistory.com/winter... I left the follow-up paragraph in for color and that great quote. Speaking of color(*), Sam Sloan has this take on the matter: <Whitaker would travel to Germany every Summer. He would buy a Volkswagen Beetle there, bring it back to the US., drive it around for one year until the next summer, and then sell it at a profit.I believe that Whitaker played in many tournaments in Europe, but I have never seen mention of any of them. He did get the FIDE International Master title in 1965 and, if he did it legitimately (a questionable assumption), it was from his European results.> http://www.anusha.com/whitmore.htm
It has a picture of Whitaker and a young Sloan.
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(*) Have a look at Sam Sloan's photograph on <CG>. I asked <Daniel> if we couldn't get a better photo of him, but <Daniel> insisted we keep it as it's the one Sloan himself submitted! Sam Sloan |
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Jul-04-25
 | | perfidious: From Wikipedia:
<After more than ten years of campaigning, Whitaker was finally awarded the International Master title by FIDE in 1965, based on his several strong tournament results from decades earlier.> The reference cited therein is the above-named book <Shady Side>. |
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Jul-04-25 | | Petrosianic: I checked his cover story in the 12/69 Chess Life and Review, and he says this: WHITAKER: <Recently, the qualification requirements were changed for FIDE title
awards. It is now easier to earn international titles than it was years ago. I was awarded the title of International Master in 1965, under the old qualification rules.> I don't know if I believe a word of this, but it must at least be true from a certain point of view, otherwise Burt Hochberg would have clipped it. |
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Jul-04-25
 | | perfidious: <Petrosianic....Chess Life is strangely silent on this. Nothing is said about it in 1965, and there's just an in-passing mention in October 66 that Whitaker is an IM, with nothing ever having been said about how he got it.> One imagines that it would have been considered unseemly for a player to, in such circumstances, openly shill for a title. Why, moreover, given Whitaker's past, should one take his word on trust? |
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Jul-04-25 | | Petrosianic: Also from Whitaker's 1969 cover story. He claims to have been the one to convert Fischer to 1. e4, and says he was once selected to play Board 1 ahead of Fischer WHITAKER: <Often I am asked about Bobby Fischer. I know him better than most others. We spent three weeks on a chess tour through many southern states and Cuba. The team of eight voted that I play Board 1, Fischer on Board 2. Naturally I had stronger opposition, but in the end our scores were the same--each won five, lost one and drew one. I urged Fischer to play 1. P·K4. In the dozen years since, as I recall, Bobby has never played any other opening move!> Commander McBragg would reject this story as too preposterous! |
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Jul-04-25 | | stone free or die: Sam Sloan has made this detailed comment -
<Since Taylor Kingston does not know much about chess, he does not know
that by 1960 Fritz Saemisch was completely insane. Saemisch would get
invited to international tournaments where in every game he would play
only about ten moves and then sit transfixed for two hours until he
lost on time. Naturally, since Saemisch had the grandmaster title,
organizers would invite him so as to manufacture titles for others.
Obviously, Whitaker would contact Saemisch to get the international
title for himself. Whether Whitaker actually played Saemisch I do not
know, although Whitaker told me that he was trying to arrange a match
with Saemisch. One question left unanswered by Hilbert's book is
exactly how and when did Whitaker get the International Master title.
I have asked many FIDE officials this question, and nobody seems to
know.>
I'm fairly sure Whitaker did play a match against Saemisch at some point, post-release. Remember - the ELO system wasn't in place in 1965, so the "norms" were radically different from our modern norms - i.e. they could be rather subjective as to what qualified. http://www.anusha.com/whitmore.htm
Which suggests a detailed explanation of exactly how the title was awarded is not likely anytime, soon or otherwise. My personal view is that if Hilbert didn't give the details then I'm not betting on them being found either. (Hilbert wrote the <Shady Side> biography which I think is the most authoritative source on Whitaker out there) . |
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Jul-04-25 | | Petrosianic: Checking further, I find that Fischer did the Log Cabin Chess Club did send Fischer to Cuba in 1956 as part of a tour. I never knew that, and none of the games are in the database. But it's at least possible that Whitaker went too, and, since Fischer was only 13, it's possible they picked an adult to play Board 1. (I can't believe I'm calling Whitaker an adult). But I still have to call BS on the claim that Norm converted Fischer to 1. P-K4. He was always an e4 player, and his few sallies with 1. Nf3 were few and far between. It was never his primary opening. |
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Jul-05-25 | | stone free or die: Agreed, but I could imagine Whitaker being asked by Fischer if he should consider broadening his opening repertoire and being advised against it. But that's just random speculation on my part. |
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