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| Mar-22-04 |
| Dillinger: Aqui se queda la clara,/ la entrañable trasparencia/ de tu querida presencia,/ comandante Che Guevara... |
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May-14-04
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| aragorn69: If you have the chance to see the new movie - currently at Cannes, I don't know when it will be released in the U.S. - about Che's pre-revolutionary days by Walter Salles (of "Central do Brasil" fame), don't miss it. Its english title is "The motorcycle diaries" and tells the story of Guevarra's 1952 travel through Latin America (with a friend, on a 1939 Norton bike, hence the title). The image of Che that comes through is very compatible with Pachman's testimony... |
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May-14-04
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| Gypsy: The following translation from Ludek Pachman's memoar is also posted at Fidel Castro page. It pertains to both, Fidel and Che, as I do not realy see how to separate it into two parts. Back in 1960's, Ludek Pachman was probably the one GM that spent most time in Cuba. Here it goes. (I corrected a few of my spelling errors.) ...Right during my first visit to Cuba I met Fidel Castro. It happened during a baseball game... We then talked in the stands and I learned that he also likes chess. Later I saw him play one game and already his second move was frightful. Members of his cabinet once played a small tournament where Fidel finnished second. I do not know if others helped him to it. First, without any competition, was Dr. Guevara, that is, Che. Even in Europe he would have been a fist-rank chessplayer. He was very found of chess. During the tournaments---starting in 1962, Havana hosted a yearly Capablanca Memorial---Che was probably never at his cabinet post; he was all the time with us in the tournament hall. He watched all play and during the breaks played blitz games with us. Che was a wonderful man, incredibly humble and a true revolutionary-idealist. I visited him several times in his cassa, last time in Sptember, 1964. During one of our games he fell into a deep thought; then he said: "Sabe, companero Pachman. I do not care for my cabinet post. Either I would love to play chess as you do, or make revolution in Venezuela." Hacer la revolucion, its a typical spanish or better said ibero-american expression. Its interesting that Che spoke of Venezuela then, not Bolivia---I remember it very well. I also remeber my reply to his words: "You know, comandante, to make revolucion is certainly interesting, but to play chess is safer." Che laughed it off and said that, unfortunately, he was not good enough at chess, that he had more experience with revolution. He discarded my advice and, a half a year later, he surrendered his cabinet post of minister of industries of Cuba and started to wander the mountains of Bolivia. Of course, his true reason was not any disinterest in his high government post; it all originated in political disagreements with Fidel. It was not any secret that Che disliked Soviets and that his guiding light was Mao. During discussions---if there was any political discussion at all---Che was clerarly very careful, but his subtle hints pointed out clearly his preferences. In 1963, the fight for foreign allegiance of Cuba was far from settled. During a 4-hour speech at Plaza de la Revolucion Fidel sharply criticised Soviet foreigh policy. It was an endless speech and it was hard to listen for so long. The only entertainment was provided by an explosion of some bomb. Fidel remained calm and brushed it off with a joke. After midnight, with Fidel speech finally over, people were greeting some Chinese trade dellegation and these Chinese were beaming with delight. But a year later there was a turn in things: Cuban economy collapsed and Soviets started to pump in money. Fidel became a realist and Che left to die in Bolivia. (Ludek Pachman) |
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| May-14-04 |
| Lawrence: <Dilli>'s poem is by Carlos Puebla (1917-1989) who used to sing at La Bodeguita del Medio. That's where Ernest Hemingway used to down his mojitos way back when. |
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| May-14-04 |
| Akavall: Che Guevara for ever!!!! |
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May-15-04
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| ToTheDeath: A sick gangster and authoritarian fanatic, responsible for issuing the death warrants of countless men, and who fondly thought of himself as "Stalin II." (his words, not mine). Some hero. |
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| May-15-04 |
| Anazarbus: When I was a hospital corpsman at Portsmouth Naval Hospital in the early 70's I met a Green Beret who was in a traffic accident and was admitted to my unit. He was part of the team that hunted and killed Che. They made it look like it was entirely a Bolivian operation |
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| May-16-04 |
| Lawrence: Hi <Anazarbus>, welcome from me and all of us to this great site. An interesting first post! |
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| May-26-04 |
| Whitehat1963: From the Amnesty International report released today. http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/c...
http://web.amnesty.org/report2004/u... |
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| May-26-04 |
| offramp: What I have always like about Ché is that he is a great big fat old Paddy just like me!
Good on yez you old fat poof! |
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| Sep-22-04 |
| molinov: In a Cuban internet page I found games atributed to Guevara.
<Chessgames>: Shall I just put them on the Kibitziting page or do I send them to you so you can check the veracity of the games. Let me know. Thanks. |
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| Sep-22-04 |
| MoonlitKnight: <molinov>: PGN Upload Utility |
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| Sep-22-04 |
| molinov: Ok. I've send it but I am not very good with computer so I might have made a mistake. Let me know if there is a problem. |
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| Oct-14-04 |
| mack: <chessgames> Did you ever receive these games attributed to old Che then? |
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Oct-14-04
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| chessgames.com: We received one game but the moves didn't make sense: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.O-O Bd6 6.d4 exd4 7.Qxd4 f6
8.Nc3 c5 9.Qe3 Nh6 10.e5 Ng4 <? looks odd> 11.Qe4 Nxe5 12.Nxe5 Bxc5 13.Be3 Qe7 14.Nd5 Bxh2+ <impossible> 15.Kxh2 Qxe4 16.Nxc7+ Kf7 17.Nxa8 b6 18.Nxb6 Bb7 0-1 |
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| Oct-14-04 |
| mack: Hmm, I'm presuming this is the site: http://aacevedo.galeon.com/AAcevedo... If some linguist could work their magic I'd appreciate it. |
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Oct-14-04
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| Willem Wallekers: <chessgames.com>
Not a very good game, but 14 ... Bxh2+ is a legal and winning move (black ha the Q on e7.) |
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| Oct-14-04 |
| jaime gallegos: as a physician Ernesto - Ché - Guevara visit Latinamerica and my country , Peru, many times. He went to Iquitos in the amazon jungle to see the leprosory called San Pablo ( and still exists ! ) to learn about leprosy ...
Being a young doctor he was interested to see patients but more important to see the reality of health in poor societies and that was a good example of his deep thoughts ! |
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Oct-14-04
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| meloncio: <chessgames.com> If you change 12. ... Bxc5 (wrong), for the correct 12. ... Bxe5, the game is OK. BTW, what a bad game! In the <mack>'s link Acevedo says he didn't lose on purpose, but it's hard to believe. He recognize that at the end of the game part of the public was sure of. |
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| Oct-14-04 |
| molinov: <what a bad game> yes it was.But I thought since Fidel's horrible game is on the database this one might be included. Of course <chessgames.com> has the right to decide and if they don't want to include it that's fine. |
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Oct-14-04
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| meloncio: <mack> Just a little summary about the Acevedo's story in your link: The Mexican chess team went to Cuba to play the second part of a match. They met Che in the opening ceremony, and they agreed to play a game with him later. They went to Che's office at 3 am (!) because Che was very busy. They talked about many things (including an argue about how to improve the poultry farms) and in fact, they didn't play any game; just sat down and posed for the photograph, one after one, every member of the team. Then Acevedo tells the story about his game against Che in a simul some days later. He says he made two terrible blunders and lost, but not on purpose. Maybe he was just nervous ... |
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Oct-14-04
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| meloncio: <molinov> I didn't say this game must not be included. Of course has a historical interest, as Napoleon's games for instance. I only meant the Acevedo blunders (14.Nd5??) were amazing for a master level. !Un saludo desde el sur de España! |
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| Oct-14-04 |
| offramp: I like Ernesto because he was a paddy! |
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| Oct-14-04 |
| Kaspablanca: Hasta la victoria siempre. |
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Oct-15-04
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| chessgames.com: Simultaneous chess game on 37th anniversary of Che’s death PASSIONATE about chess because he believed it to be a discipline that develops intellectual capacity and strategic thinking, Ernesto Che Guevara was registered as one of the island’s Grand Masters. During a series of simultaneous games, Cuba’s top ten players commemorated the death of the Argentine-Cuban guerrilla, who was captured and assassinated in Bolivia on October 8-9, 1967. "This is the best way to pay tribute to the person who promoted chess in our country," commented Cuban Leinier Domínguez, who led the games involving 150 members of the Central Organization Cuban Workers, the venue for the event symbolically titled "Che Lives". The 21-year-old – who finished in fifth place at the last world championship in Tripoli, Libya – stated that "ever since I was a child, I have been told how much Che loved to play chess and attend tournaments." Danilo Bueta, director of the Latin American Higher Institute of Chess in Havana, explained that Che praised the game because it "develops one’s ability to concentrate, imposes a standard of conduct, and provides strategic stability and thinking," as well as encouraging children "to make decisions through play." The official said that as well as a tournament at the heroic guerrilla’s mausoleum in the city of Santa Clara – some 200 kilometers east of the capital - the Cuban team is also scheduled to take part in the International Olympiad in Mallorca, Spain. The mausoleum includes a memorial with a statue of Guevara more than three meters high and, since their transfer from Bolivia to Cuba in 1997, the guerrilla’s remains are likewise located here. (AMG) http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2004/oc... |
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